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Post by tomnelson on Feb 11, 2011 7:11:02 GMT -5
I say mike todd will be the guy that UPSETS a few people but then takes 2nd....chaffee david ''i google him and he is good' will also be ready to win....if devon and denis are first match....denis wins, but i think devon will be fresh after a few prelims and denis will be tired just picking that dam arm up on the table...what its gotta be 150 pounds...anyway i say denis wins mike todd 2nd dave 3 rd devon 4th lost WAR to mike todd b side for 3rd and 4th...the draw is the only chance denis has to win...think if he had mike todd, and then chaffee, then could he really beat devon then?...nope...but if richard lupkus shows up then im lost and dont know what will happen...im going to bed.
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Post by Michael Avery on Feb 11, 2011 8:40:08 GMT -5
will there be drug testing........ i just broke my training partner
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Post by John Milne on Feb 11, 2011 11:40:43 GMT -5
Mr. Milne, do you know if Devon might make this Arnold? I'm not positive Scott but I don't think he will be. I have to agree with Dave Chaffee being considered near the top of this list.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Feb 11, 2011 13:51:59 GMT -5
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 11, 2011 14:45:44 GMT -5
Where are the Over The Top shirts that were going around? If somebody can get Sly to sign one I'll frame it!
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Post by Dustin Morgan on Feb 11, 2011 16:10:18 GMT -5
Sucks that Devon won't be there. I think he's the only one that has a chance at beating Denis.
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Feb 11, 2011 16:36:59 GMT -5
I hope Richard Lupkes is healthy. What a sight it would make having those two giants at the table. I think Mr. Bresnan might be able to crack Mr. Cyplenkov this time. Timmy has looked great lately. The draws might have a significant impact on how this turns out. I think the world will be watching. John, with all due respect, I personally think that you and some others on this board are underestimating A LOT Cyplenkov's strenght... Just my opinion, I think that Cyplenkov will surely win his class at Arnold Classic without problems, if Devon doesn't come, nobody of the americans or canadians pullers can even slow down Cyplenkov for more than 2 seconds. (of course with the only exception of a John Brzenk without tendons problems, but I doubt John will pull at Arnolds). Just my modest thoughts, anyway we'll finally see in a month who is right and who's not about this matter, I had already written many times my opinion during the last two years, and I'm really looking forward to finally find the truth. The only one who would be able to stop and hold Cyplenkov is IMO obviously Devon, so I'm VERY disappointed hearing that he is probably not attending Arnolds... Why?? I'm waiting for this moment since 2 years... Devon was at Arnold last year, so I suppose this means that he can attend it and his job doesn't compromise him in this period of the year... I think that IF Cyplenkov wins Arnold and Devon doesn't show up, Cyplenkov will IMO totally deserve to be ranked N. 1 in the world instead of Devon. We'll see what happens, I'm really looking forward to it!...
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Post by Max Moore on Feb 11, 2011 16:57:25 GMT -5
I hope Richard Lupkes is healthy. What a sight it would make having those two giants at the table. I think Mr. Bresnan might be able to crack Mr. Cyplenkov this time. Timmy has looked great lately. The draws might have a significant impact on how this turns out. I think the world will be watching. John, with all due respect, I personally think that you and some others on this board are underestimating A LOT Cyplenkov's strenght... Just my opinion, I think that Cyplenkov will surely win his class at Arnold Classic without problems, if Devon doesn't come, nobody of the americans or canadians pullers can even slow down Cyplenkov for more than 2 seconds. (of course with the only exception of a John Brzenk without tendons problems, but I doubt John will pull at Arnolds). Just my modest thoughts, anyway we'll finally see in a month who is right and who's not about this matter, I had already written many times my opinion during the last two years, and I'm really looking forward to finally find the truth. The only one who would be able to stop and hold Cyplenkov is IMO obviously Devon, so I'm VERY disappointed hearing that he is probably not attending Arnolds... Why?? I'm waiting for this moment since 2 years... Devon was at Arnold last year, so I suppose this means that he can attend it and his job doesn't compromise him in this period of the year... I think that IF Cyplenkov wins Arnold and Devon doesn't show up, Cyplenkov will IMO totally deserve to be ranked N. 1 in the world instead of Devon. We'll see what happens, I'm really looking forward to it!... it would be such a shame for denis to travel so far and not have these two face eachother. but believe me i understand more than most that there is life outside of armwrestling and that in the grand scheme of things, AW takes a backseat. Devon isnt ducking anyone and i truly believe that id he was able to attend and .....he would. DEVON! please come to the Arnold and lay the speculation to rest! ;D
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Feb 11, 2011 17:10:35 GMT -5
I agree with you Max, I don't want to accuse a great athlete and a great person as Devon is, I just would be very sorry, as an armwrestling fan, if Devon won't be at Arnold... In the past I thought that Devon was completely unable to compete abroad since october to may every year due to his work, but last year he surprised me attending Arnolds, so I think that Devon has to be there to defend his N.1 place in rankings, the whole armwrestling world is waiting to see Cyplenkov vs Devon, and this time the russian monster is coming to Usa to prove he is the Best, so if Devon won't pull I still think that Cyplenkov will deserve Devon's place then, if he wins
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Post by John Milne on Feb 11, 2011 17:15:24 GMT -5
Fabio, I may be underestimating Denis' strength... just as you may be over estimating. It's all speculation until we see these matches happen.
I never meant to question his strength. The fact that I said Tim Bresnan MIGHT be able to crack him means that I think Denis is likely the favorite between the two. Perhaps something got lost in translation.
I would like to see Lupkes vs Cyplenkov at the table just for the sheer size and strength of these men combined. I did not comment about who was stronger.
I'm a fan really, like most of the people here. I'd love to see the biggest and best compete against each other.
As for the number one ranking, you have some merit as to your statement. Personally I'd rather see Denis earn it from the current number one and not gain it by default. I'm sure that IF Denis wins that will be up for debate. I don't know what Mr. Terzi thinks of it but I'll have to wait and see.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 11, 2011 17:26:24 GMT -5
i also would like to see Devon pulling against the top eastern european pullers but i can not involve my wishes into my rankings.John was the best and he agreed to pull Devon a supermatch.Devon won and took no 1 ranking.i can not rank Denis no1 without him beating Devon or beating someone who beats Devon.
i have tried to provocate Devon to see him at Arnolds but i can not accuse him being afraid of Denis.Devon was ready to come to Istanbul to pull John after John beat Denis in a supermatch.the match was cancelled because John was injured.
if Denis could have beat John before Devon beat John,then no1 guy would be Denis and i would not rank Devon no1 without him beating Denis or beating someone who beats Denis.
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Post by johnbath on Feb 11, 2011 17:55:39 GMT -5
Devon already called Dennis out to pull him at armwars and Dennis declined so any talk about Devon being "scared" is complete crap. If Devon isn't at Arnolds it can only be because can't be there. Also, I believe Dennis has the strongest right arm in AW but not the best right arm. I bet Jerry and Devon both beat Dennis.
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Feb 11, 2011 17:59:01 GMT -5
Engin, I agree with your logic, I just imagine that sometimes yourself think that the truth is another, but need a solid logical system for your rankings to avoid sensible critics... I don't know if I explained in a good way what I mean, I just think that maybe there sometimes are some situations (for example it may be the one with Devon ranked N 1 due to the fact he beat John, even if you know well as me that John was injured and completely out of shape, and Cyplenkov easily beat a similar shape John at Zloty in few seconds) where you know that the rankings should be different, but you need to make solid choices to defend your rankings (for example using Supermatch format as the most important way to judge, this is why Jerry Cadorette can stay above Cyplenkov and Pushkar). Shortly, I truly respect your logic used making your rankings and I almost always understand your choices, but I disagree with the final result in some cases and I think that there are times when probably yourself know that the rankings would be different if they would show who the strongest really are in the right order basing on logical analyses and facts comparisons, but I understand that it would be a too much personal way (even if you are recognized by the most, including myself, as the most knowledgeable person about armwrestling in the whole world) and you would not be able to defend from sensible critics in a faultless way as you always do... Am I right about this Engin??... John Milne, I surely respect your opinions, and for me too would be GREAT to see enormous giants as Tim Bresnan or Richard Lupkes facing Cyplenkov!!! I just hope same like you that all of them will attend Arnold, Devon included We'll finally see the truth in a month my friend!...
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Post by johnbath on Feb 11, 2011 18:01:32 GMT -5
I love Richard lupkes but Dennis wins easy over him IMO. Richards Style doe not allow him to utilize all the power he possesses. If he were to spend 3 months with Bob brown then Richard may become unbeatable.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 11, 2011 18:23:23 GMT -5
Fabio,
you wrote that you disagree with me in some cases,it just means that if you were the one who made these rankings then i would be disagreeing with you in some cases.it is called Engin Terzi's rankings and i use my logic.if i was not using my logic then it would not be my rankings.i can not make everyone happy and that has never been my intention.i am happy to make rankings for the best armwrestling web site in the world and i will keep doing until Charlie would like to do in another way.
armwrestling is not developped enough to have a fair mathematical ranking system,it still requires some opinion and i am using mine because Charlie asked me to do this for his web site.
do i not have confussions? yes i do.for example about the best armwrestlers in the history on yearly bases.
tell me who is the best of 1994?
John wins Yukon till 1994,and he was the best.he goes to Russia and beat Zaur.
then loses to Gary at Yukon Jack after a tough match which took a lot from Gary who lost to Dean at semi final and beat John once again,then beat Dean once in the final but ended up with 2. place.
so we can not say John was the best because he lost to Gary,and we can not say that Gary was the best because Dean took first.
so then Dean travels to WAF and Zaur beats him twice easily.
so who is the best of 1994?
my opinion and my logic are different things.i will not say my opinion but my logic says Zaur is the best of 1994 for beating the current best guy in the world.
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