WAF / AAA rules?

there are few minor ones such as
AAA-30 sec before ref grip
WAF-60 sec before ref grip

but the major current difference is that in AAA
-any slip in a losing position is a loss

in WAF
-it doesn't matter where a slip occurs on the table
what matters is whether one of 3 specific criteria occurred which constitute what is called an "intentional slip"

The criteria are
1) Opening up your hand prior to slippage
2) Making a fist
3) Clear rotation down and away in a lost wrist position with the intent of bailing (has to be rotation down and away)

If one of things happen, the match continues but SHOULD a slip occur in any the above situtations, the person that intentionally slipped is given a foul and no strap is applied. So an intentional slip committed in a losing position would still be a loss.

But if one of these 3 things above do not happen (or the ref doesn't clearly know which one) then it is not an intentional slip, it's just a slip and a strap even if it's a half of an inch from the touch pad.

Hope this helps clear that up.

Coincidental fouls in AAA - both competitors are fouled and the match is restarted - in USAA no fouls are given.

I will list the AAA rule first and then the WAF rule ;D

11. Competitors must attempt to equal their opponent’s side and/or back pressure before start of match, if possible

WAF c) Back pressure to the extent that it pulls your opponents arm across the marked center of the table will not be allowed

12. A period of thirty seconds will be allowed to grip properly.

WAF Competitors have one minute to “Grip Up

15. Competitors may waive the thirty second time period if both agree, thereby starting the match in a referee’s grip before thirty seconds has lapsed.

WAF Has no such rule

22. Straps will be used if slip of grip occurs within the "neutral zone" of the table. Neutral zone is determined by using a clock as a guideline - inside 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock is neutral area. Outside of neutral zone may be determined as a loss depending on hand/arm position.

WAF it is determined on intentional slip.

This is from the Foul section of the AAA rules
1. Failure to maintain contact of the peg at all times.

WAF d) Letting go of the peg will result in a warning being called to the offender, without stopping the match
with the additional rule
ITEM 1
If an advantage is gained prior to fixing a Warning, the match will be stopped an the offender will be given a foul


13. Slipping grip when their arm and hand are in the losing position. Losing position is determined when the arm is below two-thirds of the way to the pin pad and hand is not in an offensive grip.

WAF here is the actual section for WAF
The referee will call one foul for “Intentional slip out” when:

a) You lift your fingers off your opponent’s hand prior to a slippage

b) You close your fingers as to make a fist inside your opponent’s hand

c) You’re in break wrist position and you pull your fingers inside your opponent’s hand, therefore you are unable to hold your grip.

15. False starts will result in a foul on second and/or third offense. First offense is a warning.

WAF b) Any early movement with shoulders, arm, hand or fingers will be a warning.
so every false start not in referees grip will be a warning with 2 warnings a foul

AAA has no center line rule

WAF a) Competitor’s shoulder must not cross the “centerline” between pegs during competition. This will be a FOUL.

AAA does not define 10. Competing in a dangerous position.

WAF d) 1) When a competitor starts to put themselves in a “Break Arm” or “Dangerous Position”, the referee will caution the competitor loudly so that the competitor understands the caution. Referee will instruct the competitor to face their competitive arm, so as to keep the hand, arm and shoulder in a straight line. Competitors must never force their shoulder inwards, ahead of their arm or hand, towards the table.

2) Competitors cannot drop the competing shoulder below the level of the elbow pad when in a neutral or losing position. This will be considered a dangerous position.
The neutral position defined as the starting position down to 2/3 of the way to the losing side of the table.

AAA does not have a actual rule for double fouls but have been doing so.

WAF ITEM 5
Any foul that occurs simultaneously with a foul by your opponent will be considered
Coincidental, the match will be stopped and restarted and no fouls will be given.

AAA has no printed rule for this

WAF ITEM 7
You can only pin your opponent on the winning side of the table


I think that covers it.

LH

Oddly enough for instance, you and your opponent drop below the parallel pin line(in a hook), straight in the center. What was the call?
In the old rules, whoever was on top, won.
In the new rules you continue to pull until one or the other gets on the winning side of the table.

It actually happens. You are in a top roll position and your opponent
is in a bent wrist position. You then drive him straight down and on the wrong side of the table. Wham you just pinned yourself.

Thanks ;D

That is the correct ruling, other wise people who go strait to a flop wrist press and are always pinning with lost hand control would always lose