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Post by Tero Lampikari on Jul 21, 2011 7:25:27 GMT -5
In just one point i have to disagree .... with the point that M.Todd could achieved a strength difference like the Devon from earlier 2000 to Devon from late 2000. Hi A.K, I think it is possible...but the difference does not have to be in the overall strength. It can be a strength difference in a position like holding someone one inch from a pin pad not letting the opponent finish the match, then after half an hour driving the shoulder behind and pressing for victory? That strength difference IN A POSITION may be the only difference you need for winning a match and a 6 round super match? IMO In Michael's case this difference does not come purely from getting bigger and stronger overall but with change of technique as well. Before Michael often armwrestled inside from the start which often made him fight on the opponents side of the table in front of the pad standing up. From what I've seen is Michael has somewhat changed his technique and now with increased back pressure he often goes outside from the start. First to get in to the strap and then in the strap to get in to his holding position in back of the pad with his body lower than before where he is able to drain energy from his opponent. His "holding position" and technique has changed. He is also very fast in going to this "holding position" from different positions on the table if he feels necessary. I would call this "power difference" not just "strength difference" because it involves technique, "anatomical angle"  as well as strength. The question is can Devon handle this IF it goes the way I think it is going to go at least at some point of the battle? From what I saw last night in ARM WARS SIN CITY Devon's power and how he handled Lupkes is off the chart. Can he keep the match in his power or is it going to go to Mike's power we will have to see. JMO |
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 21, 2011 9:09:10 GMT -5
Hello again Engin, I was thinking about it and can understand, that you in your world-wide well-knowed position , don´t want to give some prediction numbers for fun just based on so many unknown factors, like you already mentioned.--clearly understood but was give it only a shot to maybe--just maybe hear some possible fight-result-numbers from you before the match in fun...thats all.We respect your wish to not come with numbers for sure!.  speaking sure of something without knowing enough of it ,is not for me.i talk as much as i know(does not mean i dont make mistake). And thats right.. it is hard to guess.----there are some missing parameters for everyone, who tries to give a prediction----To me prediction is about pre-match-excitement and nothing else. nice knowing about you. In just one point i have to disagree .... with the point that M.Todd could achieved a strength difference like the Devon from earlier 2000 to Devon from late 2000. i do not remember myself saying that that will happen but i meant "if that happens". On one hand...It´s a different timetable (for me it´s too quick to be so effective) for that and even if we all know that he is getting bigger and probably to a certain degree stronger during the last couple month, it is still a totally different story to apply it (biggest factor for me) on such an Athlete like Devon in his walk-around- class, in the same way like Devon was applying his late 2000 form on other smaller Athletes finally. with more you will be in our sport you will some day learn that some noticable differences can change the results.it may not be the case with this supermatch but is a general fact in strength sports. Michael T. is a hardcore fighter..no doubt about that, and if he wins..for me he would take the nickname form devon...cause my point is about the final Armwrestling-limits of every human-being..and that would really mean "No limit" in that context....But hmmm..what should this mean at all in life !?!...only just another task to overcome !?!. no one is unlimited and "limit" is more about physical factors while less of mental factors. Thank you very much Engin for explaining your Armwrestling thoughts like always...we learn alot from your profound knowledge. only an armwrestling student in his third semester ;D ...hoping to deliver good and valuable results later .... A.K. i thank you for the conversation A.K ! you are an intelligent person who just need a bit more experience in our sport. |
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 21, 2011 9:16:58 GMT -5
ok A.K for you i will guess with numbers.. 6-0 or 5-1 Devon "with what i know till today" |
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Jul 22, 2011 10:45:38 GMT -5
Hello everybody , Here we go with the quick rhyme i wrote for my Armwrestling friends waiting for this supermatch: ;D ;D 1 More day to play & chat....to getting excited with every clack...
the armwrestling nation is exchanging information and tuning radio stations.....what a REAL elation.
Strap On...Showtime...when its on its on...
the world gonna shakn...Cause in the fighters heart.. there is no faken...there is no faken...there is no faken... ;D yeah...you know exactly what i am rhymin about...right?? AK I enjoy reading your posts John..thanks..it motivating me to do better... I am reading and enjoying your posts for sure my friend. ------------ @tero: thanks for your response..good points...it is interesting..we will see if Michael can apply that on Devon or not. ------------ @engin: thanks for your response. i thank you for the conversation A.K ! you are an intelligent person who just need a bit more experience in our sport. thank you very much for that compliment...there will always be something that i can learn from your experience no matter if my IQ is 30 or 130+. of course i prefer the last one if i can choose.. ;D My eyes and my mind are open and will always be no matter where my path leading me!. There will always be things that will get lost in translation both ways. . thank you for understanding. i do not remember myself saying that that will happen but i meant if that happens I know..you wrote: "it may be something like..." and i only meant the way i explain it above, why for me "it may not be something like... right now"..that's all.I understand you very clear. with more you will be in our sport you will some day learn that some noticable differences can change the results.it may not be the case with this supermatch but is a general fact in strength sports. I hope to be able to pay my due on a bigger stage like yourself one day and there are a lot of lessons to be learned on the road but that lesson above about strength sports i have already learned in the past. And our case to chat was only "This Supermatch" right now.And i still think that weight-size in the upper-weight region is important but not so important as applying-ability and height size. especially for Armwrestling. I am sure deep inside we are very near to each others opinions in that point. no one is unlimited and "limit" is more about physical factors while less of mental factors. 100% agreement..all of my opinion that i stated before are primary based on the physical factors of this special Match.Both Athletes has already the top-notch mental force as we can follow. ok A.K for you i will guess with numbers.. 6-0 or 5-1 Devon "with what i know till today" Alright ...With what i know til today : Engin you already are a great champion no matter what happens in the end ...thank you very much...it just make it more interesting and exciting for fans and athletes, when especially a champion like you gives some prediction numbers...added to your thoughtfull explanations...that's all some of your Armwrestling-friends asking for respectfully. great.. thank you again:) NOW LETS GET IT ON............ARMWARS........... 1 on 1.................The world is watching..... [glow=red,2,300] Devon "No limit" Larratt vs."Monster" Michael Todd [/glow]A.K |
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Post by Giles Russell on Jul 22, 2011 11:41:02 GMT -5
As much as I hate to say it, I think this match will be anti-climactic and not live up to the hype. IMO, Devon is like GSP and Mike is like Josh Koscheck. Very good in his own way, but never gonna beat the natural ability or tactical likes of the champ. Sorry fellow Americans, but I think Devon will pick him apart even if he weighs 350lbs.
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Jul 22, 2011 12:22:04 GMT -5
I agree especially after seeing how easy of a time he had with lupkes..
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 22, 2011 12:40:07 GMT -5
thank you very much for that compliment...there will always be something that i can learn from your experience no matter if my IQ is 30 or 130+. of course i prefer the last one if i can choose.. ;D My eyes and my mind are open and will always be no matter where my path leading me!. i am sure your learning capacity will depend on your IQ,i have experience about it as some starts learning in 1 day while it takes years for some others. There will always be things that will get lost in translation both ways. . thank you for understanding. i understood you clearly,it was great knowing about you I know..you wrote: "it may be something like..." and i only meant the way i explain it above, why for me "it may not be something like... right now"..that's all.I understand you very clear. good that you now understand. I hope to be able to pay my due on a bigger stage like yourself one day and there are a lot of lessons to be learned on the road but that lesson above about strength sports i have already learned in the past. And our case to chat was only "This Supermatch" right now.And i still think that weight-size in the upper-weight region is important but not so important as applying-ability and height size. especially for Armwrestling. I am sure deep inside we are very near to each others opinions in that point. it depends on the person who is applying that strength improvement.i can apply it as effective as possible,Devon applied effectively,John applied near perfect...M.Todd will show how good he is about applying his improvements effectively. Alright ...With what i know til today : Engin you already are a great champion no matter what happens in the end thanks A.K but i seriously do not need you to convince me about it ;D ...thank you very much...it just make it more interesting and exciting for fans and athletes, when especially a champion like you gives some prediction numbers...added to your thoughtfull explanations...that's all some of your Armwrestling-friends asking for respectfully. you are welcome A.K |
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Post by Marcelo Palacios on Jul 22, 2011 13:38:20 GMT -5
Giles, I think you said it perfectly, is not that Michael is not a great armwrestler, it's just that his style will not give Devon to many problems, I pick Devon to win easily 6 to 0. The only style that Devon had problems in the past was the fast and hard outside nove (But I was talking to him recently and he seams to have a new counter for that, wich made me think he now will be on top for a long long time if that's the case)
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Post by Rick Laton on Jul 22, 2011 17:42:55 GMT -5
I said about 4 years ago that Michael Todd will be the greatest armwrestler in the world some day. It MAY or MAY NOT begin this weekend but I still think that it will happen. (Barring a major injury to his right arm). I'm still going with 3-3 or 4-2 Michael. I hope the match stops somewhere in the center of the table. If it does, I still think that it is OVER. Maybe not the first one or even the second one, but I think Michael will win the endurance battle (If he can stop him in any kind of decent position at all). Can't wait to see who wins. What time will it be Eastern Standard Time?
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Post by Scott Wright on Jul 22, 2011 18:46:04 GMT -5
I agree with Giles as well. Seeing the position that Rich put Denis in at the Arnolds and what Devon did to Rich. Then top that off with Denis beating Mike twice after Mike's win against him, I can't help to think that Devon just seems on another level right now. And as far as if the match stops in the center of the table or even goes a little against Devon, I haven't seen anyone pull through him in a long time. Like I said before this will be the closest thing Mike has seen to his own endurance, so in my mind he has to be quite a bit stronger then Devon and more technical to win this one.
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Jul 23, 2011 11:12:41 GMT -5
Hello everybody:), I agree with Giles as well. Seeing the position that Rich put Denis in at the Arnolds and what Devon did to Rich. Then top that off with Denis beating Mike twice after Mike's win against him, I can't help to think that Devon just seems on another level right now. And as far as if the match stops in the center of the table or even goes a little against Devon, I haven't seen anyone pull through him in a long time. Like I said before this will be the closest thing Mike has seen to his own endurance, so in my mind he has to be quite a bit stronger then Devon and more technical to win this one. This is interesting to me and i think the same about the endurance-gap of the opponents of M.T til now.I want to add that it was really not so easy for Devon to handle the first match against R.Lupkes as you can see in the Video. later on... it was a different story and he could absorb the power and move to different directions too. So the first match is very important to get into the game for both but more for Michael T. as long as both fuel-tanks are full!. ok A.K for you i will guess with numbers.. 6-0 or 5-1 Devon "with what i know till today" Alright ...With what i know til today : Engin you already are a great champion no matter what happens in the end ...thank you very much...it just make it more interesting and exciting for fans and athletes, when especially a champion like you gives some prediction numbers...added to your thoughtfull explanations...that's all some of your Armwrestling-friends asking for respectfully. thanks A.K but i seriously do not need you to convince me about it ;D ;D ;D. Engin..I already know that...i am not trying to convince you about anything.It was my way to say that its cool that you finally came out with some prediction Nr. for your Armwrestling-friends (especially mentioned for me made me happy man) and fans and that no body will dispute (doubt) your Armwrestling-Wisdom (position) because of 1 pre-fight-prediction Nrs. IMO....thats all...just for the case that it has played a roll for you before answering in that way...if not...cool as well!.and to using the sentence "with what i know til now" by myself was only a directed Humor to your own answer to me ...you don´t catch it the way i throw it...no problem at all but please don´t throw it back in my window!  ;D...I stay over here and playing in the same team!(Armwrestling). You are already a great well-known-respected champ and we all need our confidence for sure but i think you really don´t need to be so overbearing to me ...And at the same time you say i am welcome. ;D  .This is an interesting sense of humor that you got!. ;D ;D. But master..if you need some coffee just let me know i will wait outside so long. If there is nothing else to do i will do some pronation or supination exercises in the meanwhile waiting outside ;D ..hahaha. J/K. Please...I suggest us to let it go here. ..this thread is/was about the Super-Match and not about you accepting me nor me convincing you about anything. if you took it that way and feel provoked, it is/was not my intention for sure. thank you very much again. . I said about 4 years ago that Michael Todd will be the greatest armwrestler in the world some day. It MAY or MAY NOT begin this weekend but I still think that it will happen. That´s a cool faith in Michael Aw-Career development. Thats what friends are for!. ..I like that. And to believe at something can move mountains someone told me once.but i forgot to ask that person "how long it will take to move it !?!"... ;D Can't wait to see who wins. What time will it be Eastern Standard Time? thank you!. [glow=red,2,300]We will see what happens very soooooooooooooooooooooon!. This is sooooooooooo exciting.Wow.[/glow] A.K |
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Post by Florian Kellersmann on Jul 23, 2011 11:28:53 GMT -5
4:2 for Devon. Mike was be BIGGER than ever, from what I heard  |
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Jul 23, 2011 11:36:51 GMT -5
Hello Florian, 4:2 for Devon. Mike was be BIGGER than ever, from what I heard What ?... .. we over here could not watch it.. i had that link from ARM-TV open...something goes wrong for me atleast to watch.. Anyone saw it over ARM-TV live ?...what happens? info please!. congrats to both anyway.. @florian: call me as soon as you can please!. thanks |
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 23, 2011 11:47:28 GMT -5
A.K, great that you did not try to convince me i am still so thankful by your words that made feel special and created incredible self confidence in me  welcomming you was about different part of your post.i agree it was about M.Todd vs D.Larratt and i shared my opinion as much as i wanted until ....  anyways ,thanks for the chat have a great day.. |
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Post by Scott Wright on Jul 23, 2011 11:55:38 GMT -5
Good job to Mike! I thought it woud be 6-0 or 5-1 for Devon. Nice to see he got a couple of wins.
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as well as strength.
;D...I stay over here and playing in the same team!(Armwrestling).
welcomming you was about different part of your post.i agree it was about M.Todd vs D.Larratt and i shared my opinion as much as i wanted until .... 
anyways ,thanks for the chat