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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 11:07:20 GMT -5
Post by Devon Larratt on Sept 15, 2011 11:07:20 GMT -5
I really want to chime in on this post, because i think it is of great significance. I made ALOT of money on this match!!!! First i want to state that i am a major George Fan. I have watched him for years. My second coach, Troy Eaton spent alot of time and effort trying to beat him before finally deciding to crush the 187lb class. He tried many many different tactics to try to defeat him, with no luck, and i believe that this is a guy who was/is a very great and technical armwrestler.
George - Does he have a bone lock? of course he does. so what? lots of guys do. it DOES NOT make you invincible. In my opinion, it actually makes you worse. Why? because you can't train the same way, the muscle shortens and of course - arthritis. This is not a good trade off for an athlete. Dante - when you say that relying on a bone lock, he is and he isn't. George is playing the game of steering the match into his bone lock. he IS RELYING on you agreeing to go there.. once you do, he is very good at keeping you there.
Anthony - this guy is the total package. I really believe this guy is the real deal. I believe that @ 176 and maybe a bit heavier he will continue to improve for a long time. Fit, Strong, Technical, (and i do think he could still pull george better) with a great club to back him up.
It was an awesome match to watch, and i believe there is a passing of the torch at least here in Canada.
much respect to both athletes.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 11:37:43 GMT -5
Post by enginterzi on Sept 15, 2011 11:37:43 GMT -5
George - Does he have a bone lock? of course he does. so what? finally someone honestly admitted the obvious..thank you Devon! In my opinion, it actually makes you worse. Why? because you can't train the same way, the muscle shortens and of course - arthritis. This is not a good trade off for an athlete. no Devon,after his 50 he has been MUCH more succesful than the times that his arm was healthier in his younger years that should have had much higher testosteron level.i remember some armbender magazines that he was in results of masters class but not in senior class.when he was young and healthy in arm he was no where near where he is today and that is because of that arm disability.that is the elbow lock that unables his opponents to pin him and there is no such "strength" nor "endurance" to provide such defence system..even you dont have that kind of endurance because your is power and is subject to a limit.but even your endurance have a limit when in a bad position as we saw against Taras..you had to spend a lot more than your opponent was spending in such a bad position..and even your gas finished..
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 12:20:41 GMT -5
Post by Devon Larratt on Sept 15, 2011 12:20:41 GMT -5
Taras was stronger than me throughout his entire hand when i faced him. but this has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
George can be pinned. Just maybe not the wrong way. His wrist is not locked, his hand can be opened and turned like anyone elses. This is fact his arm lock only will help him if you pull him wrong. Straps or not. it doesn't matter. I do not buy into the philosophy of younger more test = better. He has been pulling/training consistantly for many years. to me it only makes sense he continues to improve.. call me crazy.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 12:25:17 GMT -5
Post by Simon Berriochoa on Sept 15, 2011 12:25:17 GMT -5
Will this become a winning strategy against George in the future? Apply just enough force to maintain position and then just wait for him to make a mistake? Is that really armwrestling? Nothing but respect for AD he has paid his dues pulling George good on him for winning twice, congrats AD.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 12:40:02 GMT -5
Post by Johnny Edwards on Sept 15, 2011 12:40:02 GMT -5
I like Anthony, but I personally think #1 then # 4-#10 would beat him most of the time. I think he has a legit shot at beating some of them as I do thinkg a couple of North American guys do. But for the most part shouldn't there be a couple guys ranked ahead of Anthony that have beat him at UAL ect....... I understand that he beat George who beat Taynov but I agree with Engin, I think that Taynov would beat Anthony. Anthony may surprise me but I think Taynov is just toooooo strong.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 12:48:13 GMT -5
Post by Johnny Edwards on Sept 15, 2011 12:48:13 GMT -5
I think Janis would be a horrible matchup for Anthony also. I think Janis has tooooo much rotational strength, one thing is for sure I would love to see some of the matches in real life and have some North American guys prove me wrong . I would like to see Chad get ahold of some of these guys. I really would like to see him vs Taynov or Amolins. I would like to see Simon go up against some of the hook pullers. I would like to see Crazy George vs Janis Amolins ect... ect....
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 12:54:36 GMT -5
Post by enginterzi on Sept 15, 2011 12:54:36 GMT -5
Taras was stronger than me throughout his entire hand when i faced him. but this has nothing to do with what we are talking about. if you read carefully maybe you understand my point and what it has to do with it.there are times that George has been put into terrible positons but could not be finished and this had nothing to do with endurance but with that elbow disability.that is why your endurance did not help you againt a stronger opponent while George's disability helps him to pull forever no matter if his rotator is curled and wrist is toprolled.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 12:57:03 GMT -5
Post by enginterzi on Sept 15, 2011 12:57:03 GMT -5
I do not buy into the philosophy of younger more test = better. He has been pulling/training consistantly for many years. to me it only makes sense he continues to improve.. call me crazy. that is why John will be a much stronger and succesful when he will reach his 60..his best years will come about 10-15 years later..
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 13:14:28 GMT -5
Post by Devon Larratt on Sept 15, 2011 13:14:28 GMT -5
Of course i understand the point that bone does not fatigue. What maybe you do not understand is that you don't have to pull his bone. (haha sorry for the punny). I think maybe you should just look a little closer at what George does. You will not see him in a compromised rotational position (palm up) and be in his lock. and... when his wrist bends back (as in toprolled) he is maintaining height, by clamping and securing the thumb.
I believe that an armwrestler can continue to be very competitive very late into life, depending on many factors, some controllable some not. I think that if John, or anyone - really really wanted it, took the time that he really needs, not the time the community would give him, Believed and loved the way they once did that they could come back to a very high level. But... everyones life changes.
Please don't misunderstand my earlier talk about ANthony + George. Anthony is the real Deal, fully rounded, and versitile armwrestler. he will continue to improve. he has proved that he can figure out the puzzle of George. George is a legend, and a Puzzle that few guys can break. especially in the 176 category.
I've said my piece, Out for now!
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 14:34:35 GMT -5
Post by enginterzi on Sept 15, 2011 14:34:35 GMT -5
I think maybe you should just look a little closer at what George does. You will not see him in a compromised rotational position (palm up) and be in his lock.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 14:41:40 GMT -5
Post by enginterzi on Sept 15, 2011 14:41:40 GMT -5
I believe that an armwrestler can continue to be very competitive very late into life, depending on many factors, some controllable some not. I think that if John, or anyone - really really wanted it, took the time that he really needs, not the time the community would give him, Believed and loved the way they once did that they could come back to a very high level. But... everyones life changes. being comptetive and being much more succesful at 60 than when was 30-40 or 50 are different things. there is no example of 60 years old man who is still improving except George whose arm is disabled..
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 14:44:33 GMT -5
Post by Andrew Fournier on Sept 15, 2011 14:44:33 GMT -5
His palm is definitely up in those pics! ;D
Hats off to Anthony for winning again.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 16:20:28 GMT -5
Post by Andy Freeland on Sept 15, 2011 16:20:28 GMT -5
Of course i understand the point that bone does not fatigue. What maybe you do not understand is that you don't have to pull his bone. (haha sorry for the punny). I think maybe you should just look a little closer at what George does. You will not see him in a compromised rotational position (palm up) and be in his lock. and... when his wrist bends back (as in toprolled) he is maintaining height, by clamping and securing the thumb. I believe that an armwrestler can continue to be very competitive very late into life, depending on many factors, some controllable some not. I think that if John, or anyone - really really wanted it, took the time that he really needs, not the time the community would give him, Believed and loved the way they once did that they could come back to a very high level. But... everyones life changes. Please don't misunderstand my earlier talk about ANthony + George. Anthony is the real Deal, fully rounded, and versitile armwrestler. he will continue to improve. he has proved that he can figure out the puzzle of George. George is a legend, and a Puzzle that few guys can break. especially in the 176 category. I've said my piece, Out for now! You Canadians need to stop pulling eachothers bones so much lol. What up Devon! Congratz to AD!!!
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 16:26:13 GMT -5
Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Sept 15, 2011 16:26:13 GMT -5
LoL ok what have i started here. My opinion is that george is a beast and has been pulling and training forever and its not his fault that his arm wont bend straight im just saying that he cant pin any top guy with strength so ya i feel in my opinion he couldnt pin the other 9 guys also i think that none of them would beat George and Babiev woudnt beat george either. Also that guy in the 130Kg curl video has way stronger arms than you do Devon.
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The Man
Sept 15, 2011 19:52:38 GMT -5
Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Sept 15, 2011 19:52:38 GMT -5
[ George - Does he have a bone lock? of course he does. so what? lots of guys do. it DOES NOT make you invincible. In my opinion, it actually makes you worse. Why? because you can't train the same way, the muscle shortens and of course - arthritis. This is not a good trade off for an athlete. Dante - when you say that relying on a bone lock, he is and he isn't. George is playing the game of steering the match into his bone lock. he IS RELYING on you agreeing to go there.. once you do, he is very good at keeping you there.]
I would think that if you have full rage of motion and stay as dedicated as a Devon Larratt, Michael Todd, John Brzenk then you can continue to get stronger late in life.
George with his limited rage has only a small percentage of his muscles that can grow at the rate of able angled arms due. Hence he can still improve somewhat in strength and endurance but it is a slower process. But I would encourage any of you out there man enough to do a days training with George. I don't even care if your not able to Finnish what he does just try!! But his diet is worse than mine lol!
when you have full range your able to maximized your growth and or make yourself denser without contracting and expanding it is very hard to build so George is strong but it is likely not going to get any more stronger .So there lies the bench mark . And you know who will be able to surpass that bench mark? Someone with full range who trains harder than George!
I have personally watched a close Friend of George who has pulled with him many time who understands exactly what Georges mechanics are and play with him on the Table and purposely trying to infuriate George... As you can imagine I will out of respect keep that to myself but trust me those who know how to pull and beat George don't cause we all enjoy watching 60 min matches lol! Luv ya George!!
With all that being said Yes Gorge is at a major high level and allot is due to his EARNED DISABILITY through many years of grueling battles and the damage they caused him in his joint! Ever pull a guy so hard afterward you say to yourself crap I should of known when to stop this can't be good for me?? I have every Tuesday night !!Wed morning I'm like man WHY??? then but next Tue I forget all about the past week. Well thats a lifetime of what George did.
You guys may not know but George pulls with the semi retired team London and let me tell you that group of men are strong heavies. Rick Barbe, Rob Gram, Mark Zalepa and Mike Bossy maybe not home grow flashy name in the USA but very respected very strong men in Ontario. George was the small guy in the group that took a beating every night. back in those days they pulled every other sometimes every weekend events and had a practice during the week!
So I say If you have been pulling a while and your not developing a sort of elbow lock than....IMO your not pulling hard enough!
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