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Post by Ron Klemba on Aug 27, 2008 10:03:46 GMT -5
First, I want to say if I don't like a thread I don't open it again.
Why waste tons of negative energy on things that really don't need changing or don't mean anything to you.
In this country we are afforded freedoms that many of us exercise, like Gary. I doesn't matter whether he builds his client base or makes an ass of himself, cause he has the right.
Why someone who defended America's rights to have these frredoms would try to squelch someones decision to attempt new things is beyond me as well.
We all get paid from the labor of those who provide monies to our companies. We all have the option of how to spend that money i.e., on ourselves, or give it back with the hope of growth or job security.
Gary is taking risks that may cost him or pay off, but, exercising his right to try. None of us make a fortune(especially Gary). I can't understand why people get worked up when someone tries to better themselves or their business on this board or anywhere.
envy over others success has been around forever but remains an ugly emotion. That's why we usually get over envy by our twenties.
When that much energy is being expended I would suggest checking ourselves for what might be missing in our lives. Tearing someone else down does not really bring you up. Only hard work does that. Some of these negative rants seem like hard work. Perhaps energy can be better directed.
No one can compromise your intelligence but you. How someone can turn ARMTV's efforts into a ploy for exploitation is beyond me, because Gary cannot force you to spend your money or give him or his company anything. That is a choice just like opening a thread.
Negativity has been directly linked to illness and I believe can take years off our lives. It might make sense to avoid it as much as possible.
I wish us all well.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 27, 2008 10:07:47 GMT -5
First, I want to say if I don't like a thread I don't open it again. Why waste tons of negative energy on things that really don't need changing or don't mean anything to you. In this country we are afforded freedoms that many of us exercise, like Gary. I doesn't matter whether he builds his client base or makes an ass of himself, cause he has the right. Why someone who defended America's rights to have these frredoms would try to squelch someones decision to attempt new things is beyond me as well. We all get paid from the labor of those who provide monies to our companies. We all have the option of how to spend that money i.e., on ourselves, or give it back with the hope of growth or job security. Gary is taking risks that may cost him or pay off, but, exercising his right to try. None of us make a fortune(especially Gary). I can't understand why people get worked up when someone tries to better themselves or their business on this board or anywhere. envy over others success has been around forever but remains an ugly emotion. That's why we usually get over envy by our twenties. When that much energy is being expended I would suggest checking ourselves for what might be missing in our lives. Tearing someone else down does not really bring you up. Only hard work does that. Some of these negative rants seem like hard work. Perhaps energy can be better directed. No one can compromise your intelligence but you. How someone can turn ARMTV's efforts into a ploy for exploitation is beyond me, because Gary cannot force you to spend your money or give him or his company anything. That is a choice just like opening a thread. Negativity has been directly linked to illness and I believe can take years off our lives. It might make sense to avoid it as much as possible. I wish us all well. Great post Ron!!!!
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 27, 2008 10:10:11 GMT -5
I love Ron Klemba.
I said some extreme things. but if one pullers goes out and does something for the sport, and that something brings in a future, national champion, or promoter who loves the sport. Then that is positive I think.
And the better part of me would ignore the negative energy but since I started the thing, I feel obligated to give answers for a day. after that though....back to business as normal.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Aug 27, 2008 10:10:52 GMT -5
Yes, great post Ron.
Now get back to work. No one here is paying for a consultation. ;D
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 27, 2008 10:16:56 GMT -5
What 'system' is there to milk? ? I'll spell it out, I've gone to Nats 13 times, been to Worlds once. Qualified twice. Spent an a$$ ton of money going to tournaments from Wash st and Alaska, to Hawaii. Won a grand total of three hundred dollars...Thanks, btw , Bull! ( IL, 2006). I've pulled all from my pud to Cleve Dean. If that's 'milking it'...So be it. Chris, That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. From the information you just gave, you have gone to a whole bunch of tournaments that someone else put on and that's it. That is great but that type of HELP from you is obviously not moving the sport forward. What I am talking about is: How many tournaments have you personally put on? How many times have you helped Karen and Frank with Nationals? How many ads have you run in your local paper trying to get new armwrestlers? How many "Learn to Armwrestle" classes have you put on in your town? How many armwrestling practices do you have each week at YOUR HOUSE? How much of YOUR MONEY have you donated over the years to help sponsor tournaments? BTW, if you're going to answer one of these questions, answer them all! Going to tournaments is a necessity, but without tireless effort from lots of people, tournaments don't even go on. We are talking about trying to FURTHER where we are, not stay the same. Simply going and supporting tournaments will NOT get us where we want to be. Oh yeah, another thing: Walk in MY shoes, Gary and Rick.... That's a good one. Walk in MY shoes. I'll pass. Why don't you try "Rolling" in mine. Maybe you would like that better, but I doubt it. I agree 100% Rick. Keep rolling along. ;D
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 27, 2008 11:36:19 GMT -5
Bravo. well put. I don't have much of a response to that. correct on many points.
I will say this. the you had 'nothing' comment
may be true. BUT today did it pause someone to stand up and question. do I care about where this sport goes? Do I or Do I not? And if you do, what can you do about it?
This is great for the sport of armwrestling in my opinion. If someone holds and event, or goes to your event, or tells someone about the sport..It is good for all of us.
The advertising. clouded the issue. Me pushing ARM TV clouded the issue.
but the issue is valid. and if someone is thinking about it then I am happy.
as far as "antics" that was over the board that night..I totally agree. and I think overall per tournament. My average is much better.
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 27, 2008 11:45:50 GMT -5
armwrestling videos alone will not take the sport to the "next level"
my point is that ARM TV is a product that is marketable.
someone is on it. 24 hours a day. seven days a week 365 days a year for four straight years. That is something to market.
and it makes revenue. every one is talking about "me" making a living. but the fact is that I work for ARM TV. I am an employee first. it pays me. but it will also pay promoters, armwrestlers, refs, venues, bracketers, editors, marketers, artists, commentors, and on and on.
all in time. That is not a bad thing.
If you love armwrestling, wouldn't it be cool to work in the industry full time?
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Post by Ron Klemba on Aug 27, 2008 11:51:35 GMT -5
Hey, I had a cancelation, there will be no invoice.
I must say we are one big dysfunctional armwrestling family not unlike my family of origin...or yours. It takes work to get along. Anger management, conflict resolution, understanding, forgiveness, flexibility, patience, negociation, acceptance, etc. on and on.
love you too shorty
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 27, 2008 11:53:32 GMT -5
you can say that again
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Post by Pete & Tim on Aug 27, 2008 11:56:12 GMT -5
Gary, you never learn do you? You agree with Karen's post but you still didn't learn anything.
I will advise you in ACRONYM FORM.
S.T.F.U.!!!
You don't always have to have the last word. Especially when you're agreeing with someone. So again....
S.T.F.U.!!!
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Post by Stephen Pickron "Pic" on Aug 27, 2008 13:04:58 GMT -5
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Post by Pete & Tim on Aug 27, 2008 14:12:46 GMT -5
Hey, I had a cancelation, there will be no invoice. I must say we are one big dysfunctional armwrestling family not unlike my family of origin...or yours. It takes work to get along. Anger management, conflict resolution, understanding, forgiveness, flexibility, patience, negociation, acceptance, etc. on and on. love you too shorty ;D
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Post by Anthony Snook on Aug 27, 2008 17:07:51 GMT -5
Ron is so smart. Maybe thats why he wins so much? Pete, I was in the middle of asking you what the S.T. meant then it just hit me. Funny how that happens sometimes Gary, I still love you man.
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 27, 2008 17:38:39 GMT -5
I like your quote on the other thread anthony. I will give you credit anyways.
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Post by Anthony Snook on Aug 27, 2008 22:36:08 GMT -5
I like your quote on the other thread anthony. I will give you credit anyways. Forgive me for not knowing what quote you mean. I'm having trouble keeping up with all these posts on here
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