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Post by Shane Vasquez on Sept 24, 2010 8:51:08 GMT -5
Why did Scott Ballinger and Valdez get knocked off the list? who did Eddie Stapleton beat to get on the list? Who did Remus lose to to get knocked down to 3rd? And who did Mike Bowling beat to take 1st? Also did Ryan Clark take the 10 spot for the Erie tournament? Also why is Doug Allen under Rod sellers and Flemming? And why is Doug not even Ranked in the over all left? I see like 5 guys that cant beat him? Who has Tony Picchioldi beat to stay on the list?
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Post by Josh Handeland on Sept 24, 2010 23:14:12 GMT -5
Scott and Valdas got bumped off because Tony moved up and Mike Bowling got added to the 198's since he was 198 at Unified's. They pushed them into 11th and 12th places. Ed Stapleton went through Tony Piccholdi and beat Dave Mount, Dave got 1 win on Tony Villa the same day (Unified's). So I put him at 7th - 1 up from Villa, 2 up from Piccholdi. Remus didn't lose to anybody but I feel Mike Bowling and Brent have proved themselves by beating some of the top guys in the nation: Brent beat Dan Whittle left handed at Nationals and Dan was regarded as 2nd to only Selearis before that. His left is a beast. Mike Bowling went through Brent lefty the same day... and he was ranked #1 at 242, where do you think he should be ranked at the 198's? Remus just hasn't proven to me yet that he is able to beat Dan Whittle. Maybe he can because he looks super strong lately.
Mike also got a win on AJ Henson early in the day, AJ beat Bill Logsdon at Oklahoma States, so Mike should be ranked at LEAST 6th left handed but like I said he placed above Dan Whittle and got a win on AJ at nationals and those 2 have got to be the favorites over anybody in the midwest (except Brent since he just beat Dan).
Maybe Remus and Mike Bowling can have a supermatch at Blue Chips or some other time?
Yes Ryan took spot #10 at Erie. IMHO he can beat a lot of the guys ranked above him too just needs to do it first. He beat Tom Nelson left handed in the 220 class at Unified's.
Rod Sellers beat Doug left handed at the Chicagoland Tournament. Scott and Doug have never pulled but last year I put Doug above Scott LH and got a few people complaining, saying Doug shouldn't be ranked above Scott until he beats him. And since he hasn't beaten him I decided to move him down... and then like I said he lost to Rod Sellers at the Chicagoland Tourney.
Tony beat Scott Ballinger left handed at last years KY Muscle, which put him on the rankings, and he is just on there still from then, although he has moved down a couple spots.
As for Doug in the overalls, lets take a look at the Overall left:
Overall Left Arm: 1. Harold Owens - don't know if he and Doug have pulled, but Harold won the supers at Chicagoland, over Robert Bishop. 2. Robert Bishop - Has beaten Doug every time they have pulled 3. Mike Bowling - at a heavier weight he's a beast, not sure last time he pulled Doug, I know he placed higher than him at the MGC but I can't remember off the top of my head whether or not they pulled there left handed, beat Blaine at Midwest Challenge 4. Blaine Middleton - beat Doug at Southern IN Challenge in December, last time they pulled that I know of, also got a win on Bishop earlier this year though I think he tricked him 5. Paul Fischer - did they pull at Chicagoland? I can't remember off the top of my head. 6. Don Underwood - beat Doug at 2009 IL States last time they pulled I believe 7. Scott Fleming - never pulled Doug but he has wins on Chandler, won Unfified's at 220 last year, people got upset when I pu Doug above him before, BUT I think they'd make a great match. Maybe they will meet up tomorrow in Kansas City? 8. Brent Rakers - Recently beat Dan Whittle who has proven himself to be one of the greatest 198's and he does well at 242 also. 9. Remus Bilevicius - beat Doug (or placed above him anyways) at Chicagoland 10. Ryan Clark - should probably be ranked higher as he beat Tom Nelson at Nationals, but then he lost a few lbs. and lost to Scott Ballinger, so he's hard to rank.
that also leaves Rod Sellers out of the top 10, and he beat Doug at Chicagoland.
Doug is a beast. Would love to see him pull anyone on the list 3-10. I don't think he's ready for the top 2 yet. The overall is very tricky. I think a lot of the guys are really really close and could do back and forth. Robertas at 185 lbs. has beaten some of those guys also... he could potentially be on the list as well.
Doug goes to lots of tourneys and I am sure he will grip up with one of these guys in the near future... and then we'll see what happens.
Thanks for the Q's... if you disagree with anything I said please feel free to let me know, this is just my opinion, based on facts as much as possible. I don't think I play any favorites... I enjoy the discussion
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Post by Steven Green on Sept 27, 2010 12:18:44 GMT -5
Mike flashed Doug at the MGC, I dont think he heard the go.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Sept 27, 2010 19:36:52 GMT -5
That was Right Handed and I've got Doug ranked above Mike right handed.
Question for everybody, Ryan Clark pulled 220's at Nationals and is pulling 220's at Worlds. Should I rank him in the 198's (which he made in Erie) or the 199-242 lbs. class? Also gonna have to move Nick up the rankings LH since he beat Doug (and Ryan) last weekend.
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Post by Alan Berget on Sept 28, 2010 6:45:49 GMT -5
just a little info for you josh. I flashed bob bishop at unifieds right handed. He beat me left. I also beat frank at AAA. And I have never lost to gene dunn.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Sept 28, 2010 20:53:57 GMT -5
Are you sure that was Bob Bishop? I don't remember seeing him at Unified's. Are you thinking of Bill Brown? His right is strong, but he lost to Terry Spine and James Runyon right handed at last years Kentucky Muscle, and I don't have either of those guys in the right hand rankings.
Your win on Frank was impressive, but he pulled masters the day before and had some wars, so it doesn't really mean much for rankings sake, you also placed above Marvin in the open class at AAA's.
I would, however, love to see how you match up with Josh Wickre and Heath McDonald.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Sept 29, 2010 20:25:04 GMT -5
just a little info for you josh. I flashed bob bishop at unifieds right handed. He beat me left. I also beat frank at AAA. And I have never lost to gene dunn. only in your dreams ;D
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Post by Alan Berget on Oct 1, 2010 9:32:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry, got my opponents confused. It was Bill Brown not bob bishop. And yes Robert there is another bob bishop. He is from Nebraska. I thought it to be funny also when I met him.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Oct 2, 2010 17:51:31 GMT -5
Heard Missoui States (which is today) has a small turnout but Brent Rakers showed up and is only pulling supers. Blaine Middleton is also there. This could affect the overall rankings. Just fyi.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Oct 2, 2010 21:41:30 GMT -5
I heard Blaine beat Brent right handed but Brent got 1 win on him. Left handed Brent beat Blaine and won the supers Tony Piccholdi won the 198 lbs left hand class but Josh Dale beat him once. Shawn Dempsey won the 176 right hand class easily over Drew Nelson and Matt Parson. That's it as far as ranked guys go I believe.
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Post by Blaine Middleton on Dec 7, 2010 18:37:48 GMT -5
josh, I went undefeated right and won overall at mo state brent beat me left.
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Post by Travis Berggren on Dec 7, 2010 21:28:59 GMT -5
damn good job blaine
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Post by Josh Handeland on Dec 22, 2010 20:10:45 GMT -5
All rankings have been updated!
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Post by Josh Handeland on Jan 14, 2011 23:42:45 GMT -5
If you're ranked and you haven't been pulling, Josh is watching... ;D 1 year of inactivity and you will be removed from the rankings.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Jan 27, 2011 1:42:16 GMT -5
Look for a few changes within the next week or so
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