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Post by Karen Bean on Sept 18, 2009 23:32:30 GMT -5
Technically: If you win 3 novice classes in AAA tournaments you can't pull novice anymore at that weight, so if you win 3 novices at 176 you can still pull novice at 198 if you wish to. In USAA if you win 1 novice class with, I believe, 4 or more competitors (yourself included if I am correct, not positive) you're not allowed to pull any novice class at all, even a heavier novice class, at USAA tournaments. I am not sure how USAA and AAA novice wins cross over. If you do these things, you can still pull amateur, ANYBODY can pull amateur unless the tournament director says that you cannot because they know you're too good for amateur. I believe if you win $$$ you aren't allowed to pull amateur anymore, either. You said it has to be at least $250 - I'm not sure I guess. I thought it was any money but maybe I'm wrong. Novices are new pullers who don't have strong tendons and are still learning all the techniques. Amateurs are stronger and usually more seasoned, have strong tendons, know what their doing, of course they can still learn new things, even pros can learn something new. Pro's are just that professionals they know what their doing and have probably been pulling for at least 2-3 years so their tendons are very strong and they can win money. Some people also jump into the pro class before winning 3 novice classes which is fine, a lot of people encourage this because you don't get anything out of pulling novice (who wants to be the best novice?). I would break it down like this: Greenhorn (never pulled before on an armwrestling table, know nothing), Novice (new puller, still learning), Amateur (stronger than a novice and with decent technique), semi-pro (can be competitive in, and maybe win, an open class (no money)), pro (can enter a big money tournament and be competitive, have a chance at winning money), recognized pro (a very strong pro that is well known and usually wins money when they enter a money tournament), beast/top dogg/legend/world-class puller (someone who is so strong they are regularly able to win a cash tournament without any trouble, lots of pullers from other countries know who they are). Of course the second part of this post is my opinion on how I place armwrestlers. Josh, sorry but you are incorrect regarding our rules. AAA rules do not allow you to simply move up in weight so no you cannot win 3 Novice events in the 176 class and move up to 198 and still pull Novice. AAA rules can be found at www.armsport.com Ruling states: Competitors may compete Novice only until winning 3 sanctioned events irregardless of weight class/category or placing 1st thru 3rd at the AAA National Championships. Tournament Directors may, at their own discretion, refuse entry into a Novice division.
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Post by Robert Wimbley on Sept 19, 2009 2:23:48 GMT -5
My two cents is, the only "genuine pro" in North America in this sport would be Travis Bagent.(unless you fall in this category) He is paid an "agreed" amount of money per year/contract. Collecting prize money is not the same as a contractial agreement. Go figure. You're not in a contract when you enter a tournament and collect the prize money.Hence not a "genuine" pro. Ex. Michael Jordan was a pro ball player, he didn't go to a "professional" tournament to collect prize money. He was contracted and "guaranteed" to get paid within the terms and conditions of the contract.
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Post by Robert Wimbley on Sept 19, 2009 2:26:58 GMT -5
I agree!!!!!!!!!! With Mr. Quinn.
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Post by Dan Thomas on Sept 19, 2009 4:02:29 GMT -5
We've had this discussionon on a UK board and here's my opinion Novice 0-6 months regardless of wins, after 6 months you still know the basics and should move to amateur, A novice is someone new or inexerienced. Amateur, 6 months plus, you can stay as an amateur for as long as you wish, not elligable to pull novice any where but can pull open class if you want to, Pro 2 years plus of pulling and competing and someone who trains 4-6 times a week for armwrestling and is able to place high enough in nationals to go to Nemirof,Europeans or Worlds. For all the guys and girls who spend more than a year as a novice, (we have guys who've pulled for 5-10 years as a novice) MAN UP. step up to amateur/open class and take your losses, you'll never get better beating people who walk in off the street.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Sept 20, 2009 12:44:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the corrections Karen, I just won my second novice class but I'm going to move into open now, I don't care about winning any more novices.
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Sept 20, 2009 13:24:58 GMT -5
I believe once you win a novice or even come close you should start pulling open. I have only pulled in two tournaments and my first I was forced to pull Novice 220+. I did well for my first tournament getting a first and second. After that I had no interest in pulling Novice. Plus, if I jumped to open I would be able to pull in the 220's, and with more competitors. I ended up winning two matches at WA State in the 199-220 open. I learned so much from my loses in the open. I learned almost obsolutely nothing in my first tournament.
Point is. You should want to move up!! Novice is for your first couple tournaments and thats it. Who cares if you get 5th or 6th in the open. Its better then winning a Novice.
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Post by Howard Lacy on Sept 20, 2009 21:03:30 GMT -5
dwayne hanel explained it to me in a quite unique way
small town tournaments is like junior high foot ball state tournaments is like high school football nationals is like college football worlds is like PRO-football
once youve placed there ya know your not just good but a true pro....now that makes scence.....
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