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Post by Anthony Edens on Sept 29, 2009 16:56:16 GMT -5
David I know you were there. Ray J. can you post some results. Thanks.
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Post by David Owens on Sept 29, 2009 17:09:20 GMT -5
no comment
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Post by Christina Casto on Sept 29, 2009 17:50:19 GMT -5
Sunny Gays tournament results are up on usarmwrestling.com. Ray doesn't want anyone knowing if you didn't go. lol I would like to see the results of OH Too. Pretty please
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Post by David Owens on Sept 29, 2009 18:33:25 GMT -5
Sunny Gays tournament results are up on usarmwrestling.com. Ray doesn't want anyone knowing if you didn't go. maybe thats because very few went, and some pullers paid $25 for a trophy
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Sept 29, 2009 19:41:53 GMT -5
I'm ashamed of Kentucky State. We have the sorriest tournaments of all. The whole thing needs to be overhauled. New location, new directors, and better refs. Too many armbreak positions with no calls, bad set ups/starts. And what kind of table did they use this year? The pads were like an inch tall.
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Post by Mike West on Sept 29, 2009 21:50:20 GMT -5
Sunny Gays tournament results are up on usarmwrestling.com. Ray doesn't want anyone knowing if you didn't go. maybe thats because very few went, and some pullers paid $25 for a trophy David, it's not just Ray's tournament, there were people at Unifieds that payed that much for their trophies also, not to mentions the ones that were taken back because of "0" entries, we can't control who will show up.
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Post by David Owens on Sept 30, 2009 6:30:19 GMT -5
Mike I don't want to bad mouth anyones tournament but the fact is that I had one puller that pulled two left handed classes because the 25 for the first class and 15 for the 2nd changed the moment we got there, one of the classes he pulled had no one in them 171 open left hand, if they expect people to come back they need to stick to what thier flyer sais and not just take peoples money. much could have been done they could have left him pull right handed, they didn't. Ray even talked one of my novice guys who already paid 50 bucks to pull both hands novice class which had nobody in them and had to be bumped to the next class with only 2 people in them into paying another 20 bucks to pull his weight in the open, there is no integrity in that and we will not be back
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Post by Ray Jenkins on Sept 30, 2009 11:24:27 GMT -5
The Tennessee State results will be up today. I have not had time to post results because of work, my wife usually posts them but she hasn't been feeling or doing too well so she hasn't been able to get them posted for me before now. It's not because I'm ashamed of the attendence of the tournament. I LOVE ARMWRESTLING! Sometimes you have a lot of pullers and sometimes you don't, I held a tournament in March that was packed. Results are results and the winners will be recognized. We appreciate everyone who came and competed, and a big thanks to those who helped ref, including Mike West, who is always a big help at our tournaments, and a thanks to Glen Presley and Jamie Kirk for running the brackets smoothly for us. To you Mr. Owens you need to get your facts straight about the entry fees that were charged. If there was only one person in a class then that person was automatically awarded 1st place for that class and we moved them up to the next class for free. NO ONE was made to pay for a class that they were bumped up to.So, actually he did not pay $25 for a trophy he payed $25 to armwrestle and was given a 1st place trophy for the class no one else was in. The entry fee was as follows: $25 1st class $15 for 2nd class per hand and category(Ex.open, novice, masters). For example if you paid $25 to pull right hand open and you decided to jump and pull another right hand open then you would pay$15more for that right hand class, however if you pulled only one right hand that would be $25 then you entered left hand that would be $25. Your guy that was made to pay $20 to enter another class had already been bumped up in left and right for free. He actually should have payed $25 for the other class that he wanted in at the last minute because it was a total different class, but we let him in for $20. I didn't talk anyone into pulling anything he came to the sign in table and signed up for what he wanted to pull. If I was so in the wrong and you or your guy didn't agree then why did he pay and pull anyway and then you complain after it's all over.It is not at all cheap to hold an event. Most of my events are fundraisers, and I have no sponsers and most of my tournaments are funded with my own money, which a lot of times I don't even break even but go in the hole. That is part of it I love the sport and that's what it is all about. We are not "just taking peoples money" I don't profit anything from that event, the fair puts up the awards and everything goes to them I just organize it. If you are so dissattisfied with our events then you really shouldn't waste your time coming. You have complained about entry fees, reffs, the way the brackets are run,and the awards, just to name a few things in a message you sent me. I have been armwrestling for 30 + years and have held numerous events I have the same TOP NOTCH pullers that come to all my tournaments as well as new comers that I always see return and they don't have these complaints they come back everytime. You are fairly new at this sport compared to most of these guys. So, until you have held a tournament yourself and see what the whole process consists of don't judge our events, just don't come back if you don't agree with how things are ran. Also, if you were a true sportsman in armwrestling then you would know it doesn't matter what the award is that you get whether it be a medal, trophy,plaque, or piece of paper, as long as it shows what you accomplished (most hoping to take home something that says 1st place) Maybe that is the whole gripe with you deep down because you didn't win.You know maybe you are trying to lay blame somewhere, when you really just need to train more or something. If you don't win it's because someone is better than you and the best thing to do is suck it up get even more motivated to try to win next time, don't try to put blame somewhere else. You say the reffs made bad calls, and the brackets weren't ran right because you didn't have time to rest in between matches(we told everyone that they had 1 min. before they had to pull if their matches were back to back, can't help it if you didn't take that minute) Are you a sore loser? I feel we have plenty of integrity when holding our events I sure don't see anyone else on here complaining or whining. I guess you have a lot to learn about the sport and about holding events. Believe me, no one will even notice your absence at future TN events.
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Post by Anthony Snook on Sept 30, 2009 12:38:07 GMT -5
Heres what I got to say about the KY and TN states. While I was stationed at Fort Campbell KY('01-'05) these where the majority of the tourneys I went to(there weren't many more I could go to, due to mileage restriction). If it wasn't for Ray holding the tourneys he did, and the KY state I may have had less than half the tournaments to go to. Are there better tournaments out there? Yes. Are there worse ones? I think so. Thanks Ray(and those who've helped him), and thank you Keith Carter(and those who've helped him). If it wasn't for you guys holding your tournaments I wouldn't have had anyone, or anywhere to AW.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Sept 30, 2009 13:48:51 GMT -5
Let me add one more thing to my above post. I know what a jack leg tourney is, lots of us have had and been to them. The one I had last Jan. was in the middle of the worse icestorm on record, and still had 30 entries, plus it was an" Amateur" only tourney. I had Terry and Brad Spine do the reffing for me which they did the best job of ANY reffing I've ever seen. They looked and acted "professional", they wore their ref shirts and was in no way partial to anyone. What I'm trying to say is, this was just a local amateur tourney nothing special... When I go to a STATE TOURNAMENT and I see the refs out of uniform, numerous armbreak positions with no calls, letting people start carved all in like a hook tournament or something......... I mean it's suppose to be a State tournament. I'm not trying to bash, just saying it could be a whole lot better and more professional. The tournament wasn't even posted on here for crying out loud. I like Keith and Tommy. But when it comes to views on armwrestling tournaments, I call like I see it. Sorry if it offends anyone. Just take a look at Ryan Barnett's tourney in Somerset. That's how a professional tourney should be. Maybe we can make that tourney the Ky.State event
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Post by Christina Casto on Sept 30, 2009 18:26:07 GMT -5
Ray is correct about what he had on his flyer. I have the flyer right here. $25 1t $15 second. Ray has always ran a good tournament. he cannot help if people decide not to show. Us for instance, had planned on going all along, but an injury and work interfered(ray knows how that one is) I hold tournaments all the time and and sometimes I have 60 pullers and others I have 30 lifes that way. I went to nationals this year where I paid $30 for a Medal, because no one wants to wrestle in an open masters class, I had to pay for a medal. I'm not complaining about that. My side of the story here is you shouldn't say anything until you run a tourney yourself.
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Post by David Owens on Sept 30, 2009 19:06:47 GMT -5
Ray my facts are very strait the pullers name was Scott Whitfield he paid to pull left hand open 171 and left hand open 189 and was never bumped at all he got a 1st place 171 trophy without pulling and pulled in the 189 and took 3rd.
Tony Brush paid 25 for one hand 25 for the other pulled in a class above his weight with 2 other people because there was no one in his class and then paid another 20 to pull the open class with one person, now while that is his own stupidity and I told him so before he did it, you could have bumped the whole class and let them do what they came to do which was armwrestle , as far as you talking him into pulling open maybe I don't know what I'm talking about just saying what I was told
am I a sore loser, no. I lost every single match at your tournament thats fine, no excuses I don't care I even lost to the noobie I've been training for a month. what I am sore about is bringing guys I train over 300 miles to pull in a tournament and then getting there and finding out there are special stipulations to the 25 first class 15 second rule and having some of my guys in my opinion ripped off money wise because no one showed up. I don't blame you for that you can't help who comes, I under stand but at least let the ones that show up get thier moneys worth which in my opinion they didn't. your novice unlimited classes had 3 or less people and were never given the opportunity to pull another class
as far as refs, rules, and the way the event was ran, no I don't agree with it running one class strait through the finals with 3 people in it and no rest and having to sit through the rest of the event twiddling thier thumbs, where is the excitement in that, I think the refs were bias and I'm not talking about me I'm talking about toward my pullers and during the set up, the set ups were anything but professional completly opposite of your tri-state event and as far as rules I thought the majority of the world was going by WAF rules, thats my mistake although I do believe we all need to come togather on a rule set so we can teach our new guys the right way so when they one day go to unifieds or worlds they don't get fouled to death
I'll pm you my number if you wanna discuss this further, don't want any enemies in my favorite sport so before we write each other off lets be men and talk about it
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Post by Mike West on Sept 30, 2009 21:37:21 GMT -5
Ok David, so lets be men about this, as far as the rules (since I was reffing most of the time) have you never competed at a AAA event? What was the big difference between the WAF rules you thought we were going by, and the AAA rules, I heard your complaints from the crowd, rambling something about the wrist being even or equal, then that the knuckles had to be the same height, since when If your capping and I'm not the knuckles will not be the same height, all part of the sport. As far as the grip rules say wrist straight, thumb knuckles showing, and in the center of the table, what part of that is different from your WAF rules. And for being bias to your pullers, I don't even know who "your" pullers are. You also mentioned at the tourney that I was carving in on you during our match, anytime you wanna pull again pick anyone you want to ref and I'll pull you as many times as you want, I'm one that doesn't want to win a match from cheating anyone, I don't even like someone fouling out against me, I wanna pull.
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Post by Ray Jenkins on Oct 1, 2009 5:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by David Owens on Oct 1, 2009 6:31:26 GMT -5
Ok David, so lets be men about this, as far as the rules (since I was reffing most of the time) have you never competed at a AAA event? What was the big difference between the WAF rules you thought we were going by, and the AAA rules, I heard your complaints from the crowd, rambling something about the wrist being even or equal, then that the knuckles had to be the same height, since when If your capping and I'm not the knuckles will not be the same height, all part of the sport. As far as the grip rules say wrist straight, thumb knuckles showing, and in the center of the table, what part of that is different from your WAF rules. And for being bias to your pullers, I don't even know who "your" pullers are. You also mentioned at the tourney that I was carving in on you during our match, anytime you wanna pull again pick anyone you want to ref and I'll pull you as many times as you want, I'm one that doesn't want to win a match from cheating anyone, I don't even like someone fouling out against me, I wanna pull. section 2 item 4 The grip is palm to palm, grip at thumb, thumb knuckle must be visible. Gripped hands should be level on a plain at the forefingers. Free hand will grip the hand peg provided at the table edge. This arm may or may not touch the table top. Finger nails should be trimmed so as not to injure your opponent. Stickum/rosin/chalk are permitted.
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