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Post by philbauer on Nov 5, 2009 22:03:07 GMT -5
It would also prevent pullers from watching the refs lips which if perfected give them a huge advantage *cough Don Underwood cough*
Good luck to ya Quinn...My last "start post" was about removing the ready and only having the "GO"...I was attacked viciously...Best of luck to ya.
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Post by Jeremy Durfee on Nov 5, 2009 22:21:33 GMT -5
I have thought of this and had this same idea. I think it would be a lot better. A ready then a buzzer would go off to start. I've never been a fan of the ready-go. Way to much slips by to give someone the edge.
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Post by philbauer on Nov 5, 2009 22:24:02 GMT -5
I also believe that when you are in the straps you are allowed to punch the other guy with the hand that is in the strap and take a foul. Bull Hurley LIVES!!
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Tim Metcalfe
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Post by Tim Metcalfe on Nov 5, 2009 22:28:13 GMT -5
I think that you have some very valid points but in the end people who cheat cheat themselves timing the go is a hard thing to do I think that there are more than a few lip readers (right frank) I think it is a talent though-speed kills I think that lots of guys load side pressure when the ref comes in to straighten you out and there is a fair amount of carving in I think that if you know your class (pullers within your weight/division) you know who those guys are and you will stall and force a ref's grip. I think it is like a guy who slips on purpose because he likes to pull in the straps. Either way it is a lot more thinking than brute force alone and sometimes learning to take the false start advantage by hitting in the opposite direction or backwards will allow you to catch a guy that is much faster. I think guys who time the go will time whatever way you set up so better to make sure you vocalize to the ref that you want a straight fair start and don't let them set yuo up in a disadvantage and always go up to the table first and face the head ref
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Post by philbauer on Nov 5, 2009 23:37:43 GMT -5
Like every other Ref?...Arm Wrestling is not...like...every...other...sport.
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Post by philbauer on Nov 5, 2009 23:39:58 GMT -5
I'm still in favour of the punching in the face though...Nobody else?
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Post by John Wilson on Nov 5, 2009 23:46:06 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, but somebody has to trigger the bell or blow the whistle. That still comes down to a ready... 'sound' given by the same person.
Track and Field is a good example. The line judge tells you to get in the blocks, then when everyone is settled he says "ready" and then you wait for a gun. BUT, no runner can interfere with another runner. That's the difference. In armwrestling there is ample opportunity to exert force on your opponent between ready and go. A good ref is watching for this and that's why his hands stay on top of the puller's hands so he can feel what's going on.
Tim said it perfectly. It takes a lot of skill to read lips or to anticipate your opponent. This is a funny sport, some of the stuff that makes it a little rough around the edges are the very same things that makes it a heck of a lot of fun. I know I'm usually beating the drum for standardization but there's a lot to be said for allowing enough wiggle room to make strategy and table smarts a part of the sport.
I would really hate to see the sport become so rigid and mechanical that we all just start in a hook and let an electronic table do the reffing. I know you didn't suggest that, I'm just saying.
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Post by philbauer on Nov 5, 2009 23:47:29 GMT -5
Ya those "wrist to wrist" guys in another thread started that.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Nov 6, 2009 2:15:19 GMT -5
The perfect go is when the referee hesitates too long and it is over........no call. You gotta call it or not. Slowing down the cadence helps but it is a very fine line. Sometimes even the tape does not tell us if they were too early when the sound does not mesh up with the video. We (USAA) used to just use just a "GO" but then our armwrestlers were at a disadvantage when they went to the Worlds or other events. The bottom line is that if you want real change it has to happen at the WAF level. Anything else ends up biting you in the butt. ;D
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Post by Alan Berget on Nov 6, 2009 8:29:22 GMT -5
There will always be anticipation of the go. Look at Olympic events such as track and field and swimming they have the command "set" and then a gun and there is still false starts because they anticipate it. I think there are more flase starts in armwrestling as opposed to the others is because getting out first can be a huge advantage. Even more so that track and swimming. Bottom line is, train by the rules and you will compete by the rules. And the referees do not have to ask if you like the grip or say don't move. If you are gripped up and as soon as everything is square and straight it is ready go time.
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Post by TK on Nov 6, 2009 11:02:09 GMT -5
READY GO... learn your ref's cadence at that paticular event, watch all matches. i do. watching lips is ok,but if you aint paying attention to your hand and your watching lips, i don't see the advantage to that. i watch the hands of the refs and the flinch of the opposite man, i also tend to false start as well, but my plan is to be first. each ref's cadence is different, so would any buzzer or just plain "GO" or 1-2-3.....it's still a matter of reaction. so I would be on the committee of staying with "READY--GO"...IT'S ALL I KNOW AT THIS POINT. don't wanna learn another one TK
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Post by Bill Cox on Nov 6, 2009 13:26:02 GMT -5
As Leonard said any and all rule changes have to come from WAF and filter dowm. As for a bell or whistle that could be too confusing at a big event where there are numerous tables running at the same time. Also there are competitors that are hearing impared and need to read the refs lips. If you plan on competiting at Nationals and World's you need to train by those rules so you will be used to them. Learn the proper rules and train by them.
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Post by Marvin Berry on Nov 6, 2009 15:49:29 GMT -5
You could just punch the ref in the face!
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Post by Marvin Berry on Nov 6, 2009 16:01:05 GMT -5
just joking refs lol I agree with Al's statement, practice by the rules wrestle by the rules. cheaters are gonna cheat, cry baby's are gonna cry, and competitors are always gonna compete. just be ready! ;D
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Post by Frank "The PREZ" Hirst on Nov 6, 2009 17:01:23 GMT -5
I think that you have some very valid points but in the end people who cheat cheat themselves timing the go is a hard thing to do I think that there are more than a few lip readers (right frank) I think it is a talent though-speed kills I think that lots of guys load side pressure when the ref comes in to straighten you out and there is a fair amount of carving in I think that if you know your class (pullers within your weight/division) you know who those guys are and you will stall and force a ref's grip. I think it is like a guy who slips on purpose because he likes to pull in the straps. Either way it is a lot more thinking than brute force alone and sometimes learning to take the false start advantage by hitting in the opposite direction or backwards will allow you to catch a guy that is much faster. I think guys who time the go will time whatever way you set up so better to make sure you vocalize to the ref that you want a straight fair start and don't let them set yuo up in a disadvantage and always go up to the table first and face the head ref lol geez Tim you described me to a t. You stalking me? get faster old man. As for a buzzer,bell,light,etc.......stupid
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