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Post by Chris Gobby on Dec 19, 2010 10:46:54 GMT -5
I've pulled on many tables, and the best ones by FAR are made by Guy Windover. You would have to pull on one... And then u would understand.
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Post by Bill Collins on Dec 19, 2010 11:31:45 GMT -5
I've pulled on many tables, and the best ones by FAR are made by Guy Windover. You would have to pull on one... And then u would understand. Only seen pic of Guy tables and their solid...kind of like igors....I have Igors tables and I grant you there is no other table on this earth that can compare, from quality, mech work, durability and quality.... Franks has nice custom table, I'm just not a fan of how the leg slip inside a tube leaving a wicked edge in the ankle area....I made several hundred of table with the tubing that slips over the tubing leaving a nice smooth edge, this issue is a an easy fix...also the square frame on the bottom, (just my preference) i like the "I" frame like igors and guy and stb..and I don't care for the all thread on the bottom of the elbow pads.,another east fix, he has a very custom, solid and nice looking table...i'm just a pretty anal person... Igos table is a total custom piece but expensive as hell...matter of fact I still have one from the worlds for sell.... STB table are a mirror of Igor but not as HD......Scott made 4 tables that had a stud problem, making the legs come loose, hence making the table venerable to breaking.. if Igors leg come loose they are subject to breakage..... Scott should of fix this problem before sending these tables out, he didn't think it would be an issue until they were put to the test....Sucks because they got approval as an spec approved WAF table.....
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Dec 19, 2010 15:52:13 GMT -5
Knowing Scott, he will learn from this and fix the "weak link". I expect to see improved and stronger tables in the future, as that is the kind of guy he is.
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Post by Bob Paradis on Dec 19, 2010 23:35:51 GMT -5
I've pulled on many tables, and the best ones by FAR are made by Guy Windover. You would have to pull on one... And then u would understand. Only seen pic of Guy tables and their solid...kind of like igors....I have Igors tables and I grant you there is no other table on this earth that can compare, from quality, mech work, durability and quality.... Franks has nice custom table, I'm just not a fan of how the leg slip inside a tube leaving a wicked edge in the ankle area....I made several hundred of table with the tubing that slips over the tubing leaving a nice smooth edge, this issue is a an easy fix...also the square frame on the bottom, (just my preference) i like the "I" frame like igors and guy and stb..and I don't care for the all thread on the bottom of the elbow pads.,another east fix, he has a very custom, solid and nice looking table...i'm just a pretty anal person... Igos table is a total custom piece but expensive as hell...matter of fact I still have one from the worlds for sell.... STB table are a mirror of Igor but not as HD......Scott made 4 tables that had a stud problem, making the legs come loose, hence making the table venerable to breaking.. if Igors leg come loose they are subject to breakage..... Scott should of fix this problem before sending these tables out, he didn't think it would be an issue until they were put to the test....Sucks because they got approval as an spec approved WAF table..... Mechanically, the square frame on the bottom of Frank's tables is the better design. It helps stabilize the entire frame. How is that "I" frame better? Frank's tables break down and reassemble easily. The ankle level edge has never been an issue for the scores of people I've seen pull on them. JMO
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Post by kyledarby on Dec 19, 2010 23:45:28 GMT -5
I frame tables have equalivelent support to a square frame table without complicating foot position. Additionally IMO they are capable of better utilizing risers. They have four corner legs with a support down the middle making it a truly beautiful design.
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Post by Bill Collins on Dec 19, 2010 23:48:44 GMT -5
Only seen pic of Guy tables and their solid...kind of like igors....I have Igors tables and I grant you there is no other table on this earth that can compare, from quality, mech work, durability and quality.... Franks has nice custom table, I'm just not a fan of how the leg slip inside a tube leaving a wicked edge in the ankle area....I made several hundred of table with the tubing that slips over the tubing leaving a nice smooth edge, this issue is a an easy fix...also the square frame on the bottom, (just my preference) i like the "I" frame like igors and guy and stb..and I don't care for the all thread on the bottom of the elbow pads.,another east fix, he has a very custom, solid and nice looking table...i'm just a pretty anal person... Igos table is a total custom piece but expensive as hell...matter of fact I still have one from the worlds for sell.... STB table are a mirror of Igor but not as HD......Scott made 4 tables that had a stud problem, making the legs come loose, hence making the table venerable to breaking.. if Igors leg come loose they are subject to breakage..... Scott should of fix this problem before sending these tables out, he didn't think it would be an issue until they were put to the test....Sucks because they got approval as an spec approved WAF table..... Mechanically, the square frame on the bottom of Frank's tables is the better design. It helps stabilize the entire frame. How is that "I" frame better? Frank's tables break down and reassemble easily. The ankle level edge has never been an issue for the scores of people I've seen pull on them. JMO Obviously you haven't seen or pulled on Igor's table or seen and felt his design...not sure how many score of people you talking about, when your dealing with 400+ pullers at one event you'll know what i'm talking about.....Frank has a custom table, and like everything there is room for improvement, just being opinionated, as I've seen and made table for 30 years..
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Post by Frank "The PREZ" Hirst on Dec 20, 2010 5:32:37 GMT -5
I understand there is always room for improvement. I also know there will also be critics. I can build a table that would be better than any table Bill or anyone else has ever seen. Ever! Is that realistic to do? Ill do that when somebody want to pay for the material and shipping.
What I'm trying to do is build a table that everyone can afford, that looks cool sitting in the house and that I stand by. Yes that I stand by! Not bad building tables for 6 years now and to have 1 person chime is about a couple minor issues is pretty damn good.
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Post by John Wilson on Dec 20, 2010 9:02:59 GMT -5
When I first saw Frank's tables I was leary about the square frame at the bottom, too. In the past, square base frames did cause me to have problems with foot positioning. I was really happy after the event to realize that I had forgotten all about the square frame. It was such a non-issue I never even thought about it when I was setting up. The stock he uses for the puller-side of the base frame is totally non-intrusive. Are Igor's tables rock solid? They sure are. Put some decent elbow pads on them and they could even be usable.
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Post by John Wilson on Dec 20, 2010 9:03:55 GMT -5
And no. I don't own a Hirst table. I'm not his spokesman.
I'm not a smart man, Jenny, but I know what a good table is.
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Post by Bill Collins on Dec 20, 2010 19:43:14 GMT -5
I understand there is always room for improvement. I also know there will also be critics. I can build a table that would be better than any table Bill or anyone else has ever seen. Ever! Is that realistic to do? Ill do that when somebody want to pay for the material and shipping. What I'm trying to do is build a table that everyone can afford, that looks cool sitting in the house and that I stand by. Yes that I stand by! Not bad building tables for 6 years now and to have 1 person chime is about a couple minor issues is pretty damn good. With out a doubt, affordable is the market, Igors table are 550.00 without shipping....and yes you get what you pay for, me on the other hand will pay that extra buck to get the best...it's like anything else critics are always going to surface (me) but I'm usually brutally honest...your tables are affordable and totally custom keep up the good work....
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Post by Frank "The PREZ" Hirst on Dec 20, 2010 21:35:32 GMT -5
And no. I don't own a Hirst table. I'm not his spokesman. I'm not a smart man, Jenny, but I know what a good table is. You need one John.
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Post by John Wilson on Dec 20, 2010 23:59:27 GMT -5
I do- because I love my current table but it doesn't break down and I don't want to cut it.
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