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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 18, 2011 21:47:52 GMT -5
I think all these events should join forces.
Instead of having meaningless supermatches and valueless "national titles"
have a circuit with these three events. Instead of a "triple crown" that seems to have lost it's momentum. After all the triple crown DOES NOT benefit each tournament equally. Once you didn't place in the first one.... The hype is gone... The triple crown is no longer a motivation to attend the next one.
Let each nationals host a UAL style supermatch to deem THE national champion. With the tournament itself being the qualifier for the next supermatch
That way all three "national" produce a tri-annual national champion.
Or three chances each year for an opportunity to "take the title"
Let each nationals work together with UAL to promote the supermatches. The "true nationals"
Just a thought
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Post by Bill Collins on Mar 19, 2011 0:08:50 GMT -5
I think all these events should join forces. Instead of having meaningless supermatches and valueless "national titles" have a circuit with these three events. Instead of a "triple crown" that seems to have lost it's momentum. After all the triple crown DOES NOT benefit each tournament equally. Once you didn't place in the first one.... The hype is gone... The triple crown is no longer a motivation to attend the next one. Let each nationals host a UAL style supermatch to deem THE national champion. With the tournament itself being the qualifier for the next supermatch That way all three "national" produce a tri-annual national champion. Or three chances each year for an opportunity to "take the title" Let each nationals work together with UAL to promote the supermatches. The "true nationals" Just a thought Ryan Nice try but this has been beat to death and your not going to get USAA or AAA to do anything but their thing, it's boils down to money and empire (protect)....Why do you think D & L or Karen or Frank has not chimed in on this topic....And the UAL is not going to do a joint venture with any of these organizations unless it's reasonable for all parties, and I can assure you that you"ll never get USAA & AAA under the same roof, if so I'd try to do a Chris Chandler back flip.....just being real and honest...
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 19, 2011 0:11:10 GMT -5
I understand that.
I wasn't suggesting get AAA and Usaa under the same roof.
Separate entities united "title"
It was just a thought.
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Post by Karen Bean on Mar 19, 2011 0:20:45 GMT -5
I think all these events should join forces. Instead of having meaningless supermatches and valueless "national titles" have a circuit with these three events. Instead of a "triple crown" that seems to have lost it's momentum. After all the triple crown DOES NOT benefit each tournament equally. Once you didn't place in the first one.... The hype is gone... The triple crown is no longer a motivation to attend the next one. Let each nationals host a UAL style supermatch to deem THE national champion. With the tournament itself being the qualifier for the next supermatch That way all three "national" produce a tri-annual national champion. Or three chances each year for an opportunity to "take the title" Let each nationals work together with UAL to promote the supermatches. The "true nationals" Just a thought Ryan Nice try but this has been beat to death and your not going to get USAA or AAA to do anything but their thing, it's boils down to money and empire (protect)....Why do you think D & L or Karen or Frank has not chimed in on this topic....And the UAL is not going to do a joint venture with any of these organizations unless it's reasonable for all parties, and I can assure you that you"ll never get USAA & AAA under the same roof, if so I'd try to do a Chris Chandler back flip.....just being real and honest... Well, Bill, I'll "chime in on this topic". First of all you might want to read the post again. Ryan is proposing that USAA/AAA and USAF - ALL THREE - quit having "valueless National titles". Interesting description coming from someone who has never won one of those valueless titles. We shouldn't see you compete in any of the three National events should we Ryan since you certainly wouldn't want to risk winning one of those valueless titles. But, Bill, since you're a part of the USAF, what's the reason for USAF not agreeing to this type of proposal? Could it boil down to that "money and power(empire)" you're referring to? Second - I find it extremely interesting Ryan that you would deem a USAF title, an AAA title, and a USAA title as valueless but the UAL, which hasn't even hosted 3 events yet should be considered the 'true nationals".
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 19, 2011 0:56:45 GMT -5
Not sure but I think you both may have misunderstood my post to a degree.
Just to be clear...
When I mentioned "valueless titles" that was simply a comment based on recent post I had read from others. Not my personal view.
I will be at unifieds this year. Last year I was at AAA. I will probably never go to a USAA nationals because it's too far and my white butt ain't getting on no daggum plane.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 19, 2011 1:02:34 GMT -5
And as far as UAL goes.... They seem to have the right idea in mind. I won't take my hopes for them to the bank just yet... But I do hope the best for them. For the good of the sport.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 19, 2011 1:06:44 GMT -5
I think most would agree that the "true nationals" is one that qualifies you for a worlds.
I don't see the UAL being in that position.
Last I heard USAA and AAA do not qualify you for a worlds. I could be wrong.
So in my view yes, USAF "unifieds" is the only true nationals.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 19, 2011 1:10:13 GMT -5
That doesn't mean I don't value my medals I won at AAA or dont respect those who won a AAA nationals title.
It is indeed a "national title" for the AAA
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Post by Bill Collins on Mar 19, 2011 7:50:27 GMT -5
Because USAF is ran by a board that is not controlled by a sole entity, and UAL is working on it's 4th event....
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Post by Joey "TANTRUM" on Mar 19, 2011 8:01:08 GMT -5
funny thread "hate hate hate"
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Post by David Owens on Mar 19, 2011 10:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by SeungMin Bae on Mar 19, 2011 15:44:37 GMT -5
Because USAF is ran by a board that is not controlled by a sole entity, and UAL is working on it's 4th event.... If open to discuss, would you mind telling me/us what is the difference between USAF and USAA? I'm (and probably many international armwretlers) confused by two terms "federation" and "association." P.S. Thank you for your years of dedication on this sport and of course, opening the new era of armwrestling with Robert.
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Post by John Parton on Mar 19, 2011 16:20:46 GMT -5
Does the person who made the comment about "meaningless national titles" have any of them? I want to say that there is a place in my life for each of these organizations. Now I know that they don't see eye to eye and sometimes strongly disagree, but all these people work there butt off so I can do something I love. On some of the threads I see people talk like they are criminals if they make a little money from it. Now everyone know I am a Christian so I am going to use a bile verse to expalin my feelings "The person who labors deserves to be paid". I think I can confidently say that none of our promoters lives in a mansion or drives a Maserati that came from promoting thes tournaments. I hope that one day we as pullers would show a little more gratitude for the sacrifices they ALL make! The UAL is a great new venue, but does not replace nor do I think it was ever the intention of my friend Bill that it would things that are the foundation of what has kept this sport alive. The new wave of the true opportunity for professional armwreslting wouldn't be here were it not for the fact that people excited about pulling looked for new opportunities. That never would have happened without the sacrifices each of these promoters made to help us grow as pullers. Who knows maybe someday all forces will join together, but the truth is that their business not ours. My business is to come out and be the best I can and hopefully the last one standing at the end of the day To me that is not meaningless and money could not buy the way it makes me feel I want to thank each of our promoters for their tireless and thankless sacrifices on my behalf
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Post by Bill Collins on Mar 19, 2011 17:58:00 GMT -5
Does the person who made the comment about "meaningless national titles" have any of them? I want to say that there is a place in my life for each of these organizations. Now I know that they don't see eye to eye and sometimes strongly disagree, but all these people work there butt off so I can do something I love. On some of the threads I see people talk like they are criminals if they make a little money from it. Now everyone know I am a Christian so I am going to use a bile verse to expalin my feelings "The person who labors deserves to be paid". I think I can confidently say that none of our promoters lives in a mansion or drives a Maserati that came from promoting thes tournaments. I hope that one day we as pullers would show a little more gratitude for the sacrifices they ALL make! The UAL is a great new venue, but does not replace nor do I think it was ever the intention of my friend Bill that it would things that are the foundation of what has kept this sport alive. The new wave of the true opportunity for professional armwreslting wouldn't be here were it not for the fact that people excited about pulling looked for new opportunities. That never would have happened without the sacrifices each of these promoters made to help us grow as pullers. Who knows maybe someday all forces will join together, but the truth is that their business not ours. My business is to come out and be the best I can and hopefully the last one standing at the end of the day To me that is not meaningless and money could not buy the way it makes me feel I want to thank each of our promoters for their tireless and thankless sacrifices on my behalf John you are the man and has a very good understanding.....and i love the verse, The person who labors deserves to be paid
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Mar 21, 2011 0:46:15 GMT -5
I think all these events should join forces. Instead of having meaningless supermatches and valueless "national titles" have a circuit with these three events. Instead of a "triple crown" that seems to have lost it's momentum. After all the triple crown DOES NOT benefit each tournament equally. Once you didn't place in the first one.... The hype is gone... The triple crown is no longer a motivation to attend the next one. Let each nationals host a UAL style supermatch to deem THE national champion. With the tournament itself being the qualifier for the next supermatch That way all three "national" produce a tri-annual national champion. Or three chances each year for an opportunity to "take the title" Let each nationals work together with UAL to promote the supermatches. The "true nationals" Just a thought Ryan Nice try but this has been beat to death and your not going to get USAA or AAA to do anything but their thing, it's boils down to money and empire (protect)....Why do you think D & L or Karen or Frank has not chimed in on this topic....And the UAL is not going to do a joint venture with any of these organizations unless it's reasonable for all parties, and I can assure you that you"ll never get USAA & AAA under the same roof, if so I'd try to do a Chris Chandler back flip.....just being real and honest... I will not speak for Denise or Karen but I didn't comment because I did not read the post until now. Sorry Bill it had nothing to do with money or empire. Each of the Nationals has something different to offer. The AAA is the oldest, the USAA is the only Pro Am and the USAF is the only way to the World championships. So Ryan why would we just go to a super match formula? I have nothing against them but to say that regular championships should do away with standard brackets and go to a supermatch set up is silly. It would make for a small event with very few pullers. Just because someone can win in a supermatch set up does not make them the best in the country in that weight. Pull multiple pullers with different styles and not lose 2 matches the whole day and come out first........then you are the champion. Not whether you can figure out and beat one guy and only lose twice. Sorry not my idea of a national champion.
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