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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 21, 2011 5:40:13 GMT -5
I hear ya. I was just throwing out a thought that's all
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Post by Joey "TANTRUM" on Mar 21, 2011 6:03:10 GMT -5
throughout my schooling years i have been use to the standard state, regional, national, world kind of system by meaningless i thought ryan meant nationals that dont qualify for worlds not saying that the titles them self mean nothing if they did then why would he even attend and support AAA over years? everyone read into it a little to deeply IMO
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Post by Pete & Tim on Mar 21, 2011 9:45:25 GMT -5
I think all these events should join forces. Instead of having meaningless supermatches and valueless "national titles" have a circuit with these three events. Instead of a "triple crown" that seems to have lost it's momentum. After all the triple crown DOES NOT benefit each tournament equally. Once you didn't place in the first one.... The hype is gone... The triple crown is no longer a motivation to attend the next one. Let each nationals host a UAL style supermatch to deem THE national champion. With the tournament itself being the qualifier for the next supermatch That way all three "national" produce a tri-annual national champion. Or three chances each year for an opportunity to "take the title" Let each nationals work together with UAL to promote the supermatches. The "true nationals" Just a thought This is by far one of the dumbest posts I have ever read. So because the UAL is the NEW and IMPROVED thing we should banish the AAA and USAA because the UAL is in the house. Are you serious? Why would you want to do that to this sport? Having both the AAA and USAA putting on any kind of events is nothing but great for this sport. Making them leave will only (I would love to know how you plan to do that) hurt this sport worse than Over The Top did 25 years ago. Right now the AAA and USAA give all of us an opportunity to have a place to go, a sport to compete in and a weekend full of great memories and good times. Why would you want to get rid of that? Just so that there is only one true Nationals and one true Worlds. PLEASE!!!! We had that years ago and where did it get us? Was the IOC rolling out the red carpet. Were the T.V. stations airing Nationals annually? If so then i retract my statement, but guess what? They weren't. And Bill Collins, Ryan Nice try but this has been beat to death and your not going to get USAA or AAA to do anything but their thing, it's boils down to money and empire (protect). What about your EMPIRE and MONEY? At what stage in this game do promoters actually start turning EMPIRE worthy profits? Last I checked, it costs as much to throw a tournament as you try to make so where is the money? Show me the money Bill!!!! If the AAA and USAA have ALL THIS MONEY and EMPIRE, than your statement must be purely jealousy because I've put on events and there's no money or empire at the end of the day. And as per Ryan Thames the NAP should just go away as to not conflict with what the UAL is doing. People please wake up and have a rational, realistic thought for once in your life. Armwrestling is, was and always will be exactly what it is. A hobby sport where you get to travel, have great times and great memories. There will never be the Olympics There will never be the always contributing corporate sponsor There will never be the weekly, monthly annually T.V. show There will only be the sport that you all were attracted to in the beginning. There will always be (hopefully) the good times and great memories. Please wake up.
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Post by Bill Collins on Mar 21, 2011 10:59:39 GMT -5
Ryan Nice try but this has been beat to death and your not going to get USAA or AAA to do anything but their thing, it's boils down to money and empire (protect)....Why do you think D & L or Karen or Frank has not chimed in on this topic....And the UAL is not going to do a joint venture with any of these organizations unless it's reasonable for all parties, and I can assure you that you"ll never get USAA & AAA under the same roof, if so I'd try to do a Chris Chandler back flip.....just being real and honest... I will not speak for Denise or Karen but I didn't comment because I did not read the post until now. Sorry Bill it had nothing to do with money or empire. Each of the Nationals has something different to offer. The AAA is the oldest, the USAA is the only Pro Am and the USAF is the only way to the World championships. So Ryan why would we just go to a super match formula? I have nothing against them but to say that regular championships should do away with standard brackets and go to a supermatch set up is silly. It would make for a small event with very few pullers. Just because someone can win in a supermatch set up does not make them the best in the country in that weight. Pull multiple pullers with different styles and not lose 2 matches the whole day and come out first........then you are the champion. Not whether you can figure out and beat one guy and only lose twice. Sorry not my idea of a national champion. Love the rolling eyes! I'm behind the scene and know what most people don't.... Sounds like the movie the good, the bad and the ugly, and the only thing missing is the NEW NATIONALS...
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Post by Joey "TANTRUM" on Mar 21, 2011 13:37:40 GMT -5
Nothing will change if you think that way peter
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Post by Luke Pulscher on Mar 21, 2011 16:33:16 GMT -5
as a competitor, all i would really like to see is that what ever event i go to the playing field is the same, same table, same rules. as for a super match for tv, i can see slight changes to enhance watchablity, the running foul that Neil uses is very interesting for that purpose. but in a bracket setting having the same everywhere would be great! i am most used to USAA, competing in those events the most and being a Ref for them, Leonard can vouch that i have harped at him in the past for getting all rules/tables standard. i am not picking on one group over another. i also think that change when brought through a proper system is good i know crazy!! we have a board for USAF, however last i knew there was not a armwrestler representative on that board, last i knew so no one holler at me . if my statement is right, why is there not a one??? (unification of rules) if the organizations could agree that any changes that came through the USAF board would be implemented at all levels it would be a great step. i for one do not want any organization to go away! there is no way one group can put on enough competitions across the country to make it so everyone can get to the ones they want to. if there were no USAA there is a great chance i would have never found the sport, and i am sure the same can be said of AAA NAL etc. i think what Bill is doing is very cool, and i hope to get to one of his events this year, i however have no desire for him to take over all tournaments... sorry Bill . we all know that USAA and AAA do not see eye to eye, that's OK, i think it would be fair to say that all promoters want to see the sport grow. based on that lets put an armwrestler on the board . if there are people on the board that don't want an armwrestler on there, please let us know why??? OK, I'm going to quit now, don't want to be like Simon ;D
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Post by David Owens on Mar 21, 2011 16:46:35 GMT -5
as a competitor, all i would really like to see is that what ever event i go to the playing field is the same, same table, same rules. as for a super match for tv, i can see slight changes to enhance watchablity, the running foul that Neil uses is very interesting for that purpose. but in a bracket setting having the same everywhere would be great! i am most used to USAA, competing in those events the most and being a Ref for them, Leonard can vouch that i have harped at him in the past for getting all rules/tables standard. i am not picking on one group over another. i also think that change when brought through a proper system is good i know crazy!! we have a board for USAF, however last i knew there was not a armwrestler representative on that board, last i knew so no one holler at me . if my statement is right, why is there not a one??? if the organizations could agree that any changes that came through the USAF board would be implemented at all levels it would be a great step. i for one do not want any organization to go away! there is no way one group can put on enough competitions across the country to make it so everyone can get to the ones they want to. if there were no USAA there is a great chance i would have never found the sport, and i am sure the same can be said of AAA NAL etc. i think what Bill is doing is very cool, and i hope to get to one of his events this year, i however have no desire for him to take over all tournaments... sorry Bill . we all know that USAA and AAA do not see eye to eye, that's OK, i think it would be fair to say that all promoters want to see the sport grow. based on that lets put an armwrestler on the board . if there are people on the board that don't want an armwrestler on there, please let us know why??? OK, I'm going to quit now, don't want to be like Simon ;D Nor would bill like to take over all tournaments in the us, as peter said there is not alot of money in it Currently there are 2 armwrestlers who to my knowledge are not promoters on the usaf board, simon b and newly appointed bob brown What I don't understand is why people think if someone sais there should be one nationals then that person wants to do away with all armwrestling orgs but one. On the contrary if utilized to the fullest of their potential these separate unitys could do everything they do now and still be part of the one true nationals. And we could also have regionals that would give us another title to work towards. I would love to see all orgs under the same umbrella group..usaf..same rules same equipment and each org hold a regional championship...nal..ual..naa.usaa..aaa but as bill said getting them to do anything togather is pulling teeth
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Post by Luke Pulscher on Mar 21, 2011 16:51:00 GMT -5
i am not sure of the affiliation for Simon. Bob is the rep for USAA.
Simon, are you affiliated with an orgainzation?
also just in case you didnt catch the wink at Bill, i know he is not interested in taking over everything.
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Post by David Owens on Mar 21, 2011 17:10:51 GMT -5
Simon is on the board as a rep for the NAP formerly armworld promotions, and yes bob is a rep for usaa but he is not a promoter as far as I know..........unfortunatly the way the board is right now is a little strange, karen bean who is the director of aaa (who is not a member of the usaf) is a rep for wwc, bill can elaborate more but its a bunch of political bs
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Post by Bill Collins on Mar 21, 2011 17:29:06 GMT -5
Nothing will change if you think that way peter You read through the BS.
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Post by Karen Bean on Mar 21, 2011 18:16:35 GMT -5
Simon is on the board as a rep for the NAP formerly armworld promotions, and yes bob is a rep for usaa but he is not a promoter as far as I know..........unfortunatly the way the board is right now is a little strange, karen bean who is the director of aaa (who is not a member of the usaf) is a rep for wwc, bill can elaborate more but its a bunch of political bs Yes David, I represent the WWC. At Dave Devoto's request, I filled the position on the USAF board. Why is that strange to you? And what is the "bunch of politcal bs" David that you're referring to? And if Bill is needed to elaborate more then hey Bill - please do so. I will say that sitting on the board is a representative that has either competed before or is still currently with the exception of one person. Representatives are: IAF - Bill Cox, Gerry Cox NAP - Bill Collins, Simon Berriochoa USAA - Leonard Harkless, Bob Brown WWC - John Burgeson, Karen Bean There are people on this board with almost 50 years of experience in the sport. That's some pretty good representation.
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Post by David Owens on Mar 21, 2011 19:15:30 GMT -5
Simon is on the board as a rep for the NAP formerly armworld promotions, and yes bob is a rep for usaa but he is not a promoter as far as I know..........unfortunatly the way the board is right now is a little strange, karen bean who is the director of aaa (who is not a member of the usaf) is a rep for wwc, bill can elaborate more but its a bunch of political bs Yes David, I represent the WWC. At Dave Devoto's request, I filled the position on the USAF board. Why is that strange to you? And what is the "bunch of politcal bs" David that you're referring to? And if Bill is needed to elaborate more then hey Bill - please do so. I will say that sitting on the board is a representative that has either competed before or is still currently with the exception of one person. Representatives are: IAF - Bill Cox, Gerry Cox NAP - Bill Collins, Simon Berriochoa USAA - Leonard Harkless, Bob Brown WWC - John Burgeson, Karen Bean There are people on this board with almost 50 years of experience in the sport. That's some pretty good representation. Let me ask you how many events aside from the one you hold in october are WWC events, is this event going on for the sole purpose of keeping WWC alive, and it is really your event ran by the AAA director with AAA rules, for what reason is it that AAA is not part of the USAF? the political bs is promoters voting on topics based on the agenda's of their affiliated org, and I'm not talking about the defunct WWC, I'm talking about the USAA and AAA who have been at each other since I was in high school and seem to find ways around agreeing with each other for the sole purpose of not giving in to the other. This little feud is largely responsible for us having multiple national titles and separate rules sets. while I have your attention what is the reason for not wanting to combine all three nationals to help out the sport? Leonard while I'm at it let me ask you why the USAA took it upon themselves to create another nationals, I've heard the all three nationals offer different things but a pro am can be done without the national title attatched to it, and in fact is done a few times a year no? why are some of us so easy to say "well they have been around so long" just because it has been wrong for 15 plus years doesnt mean it has to stay wrong, if its not empire and money that prevents these sanctions from coming togather then WHAT IS IT!
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Post by Karen Bean on Mar 21, 2011 20:08:04 GMT -5
Yes David, I represent the WWC. At Dave Devoto's request, I filled the position on the USAF board. Why is that strange to you? And what is the "bunch of politcal bs" David that you're referring to? And if Bill is needed to elaborate more then hey Bill - please do so. I will say that sitting on the board is a representative that has either competed before or is still currently with the exception of one person. Representatives are: IAF - Bill Cox, Gerry Cox NAP - Bill Collins, Simon Berriochoa USAA - Leonard Harkless, Bob Brown WWC - John Burgeson, Karen Bean There are people on this board with almost 50 years of experience in the sport. That's some pretty good representation. Let me ask you how many events aside from the one you hold in october are WWC events, is this event going on for the sole purpose of keeping WWC alive, and it is really your event ran by the AAA director with AAA rules, for what reason is it that AAA is not part of the USAF? the political bs is promoters voting on topics based on the agenda's of their affiliated org, and I'm not talking about the defunct WWC, I'm talking about the USAA and AAA who have been at each other since I was in high school and seem to find ways around agreeing with each other for the sole purpose of not giving in to the other. This little feud is largely responsible for us having multiple national titles and separate rules sets. while I have your attention what is the reason for not wanting to combine all three nationals to help out the sport? Leonard while I'm at it let me ask you why the USAA took it upon themselves to create another nationals, I've heard the all three nationals offer different things but a pro am can be done without the national title attatched to it, and in fact is done a few times a year no? why are some of us so easy to say "well they have been around so long" just because it has been wrong for 15 plus years doesnt mean it has to stay wrong, if its not empire and money that prevents these sanctions from coming togather then WHAT IS IT! 1. Please list the promoters that sit on the USAF board and what specific topics each has voted on that voted with their own agenda to benefit their organization. Each and every one please David. You have laid out a serious accusation, so be completely specific. And, while you're at it please include how exactly you, yourself, know this to be true. Not what someone has told you their opinion may or may not be, or what your opinion may or may not be, but exactly how you know your accusation to be true. 2. I am currently working with the President of the AAA to combine a number of events in a joint effort for AAA and WWC. This, as you obviously are not aware, is a goal that Dave Devoto and Bob O'Leary had for years and never could accomplish - for AAA and WWC to work together. We are now in the process of putting this together. And please don't forget that John Burgeson also represents WWC and we all work together. 3. As for why AAA is not a member of USAF - you'll have to address the President of AAA - Frank Bean - on that topic. I can tell you this - USAF has not shown him any solid benefit for AAA to join. This point I myself have addressed with the other USAF board members and we are all aware of the fact that we need to seriously look at our structure in working with our member organizations in order to provide more solid benefits for them. We know this must be done but actually putting pen to paper solidifying it hasn't happened as yet. 4. The little feud as you call it with AAA & USAA started David - of which you are obviously unaware - when Bob O'Leary was owner of AAA. And David, the little feud started after the USAA was formed and they started holding the 2nd National event in this country. Interesting though, AAA had no problem with them holding their National Championship then and neither do we today. They are an existing armwrestling organization, and as such, can choose to operate as they see fit just like the rest of us. 5. Your reasoning baffles me. Let me ask you this David. Which soft drink do you drink? Dr. Pepper, Coca Cola, Pepsi, or another soft drink? If your answer is anything other than Dr. Pepper --- WHY? Dr. Pepper was first, so why would you support any other product? Or we could say Coca Cola is the largest distributor so why would you drink anything other than Coca Cola? Now does any of that make sense? Why should you limit yourself from any other soft drink products? They're all on the market, they're all available, and if you like soft drinks you can enjoy all of them. Why do you seem to think armwrestling has to be any different? Personally, I don't. I like the fact that in this country, I get to choose which products I buy and use. I can use multiple brands of the same products if I want to. First and foremost David I was an armwrestler. For 12 years I traveled all over this country and the world and competed. I put my elbow on the table for every event out there - WAF, WPAA, AAA, TAAA, WWC, Monster Armwrestling, Tony Celeste - you name it I pulled in it. I didn't give a tinker's damn who put the event on, what the rules were, or anything else. I wanted to pull! I wanted to do something I had grown to love and I thank goodness every single day for every single person that put on an event that I could participate in. I also thank goodness that I was not a closed minded individual that couldn't see past the nose on my face to what was staring straight at me --- the ability to enjoy something I will treasure till the day I die. And bear in mind David - just because you may think something is wrong doesn't always make it so.
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Post by David Owens on Mar 21, 2011 20:35:22 GMT -5
Let me ask you how many events aside from the one you hold in october are WWC events, is this event going on for the sole purpose of keeping WWC alive, and it is really your event ran by the AAA director with AAA rules, for what reason is it that AAA is not part of the USAF? the political bs is promoters voting on topics based on the agenda's of their affiliated org, and I'm not talking about the defunct WWC, I'm talking about the USAA and AAA who have been at each other since I was in high school and seem to find ways around agreeing with each other for the sole purpose of not giving in to the other. This little feud is largely responsible for us having multiple national titles and separate rules sets. while I have your attention what is the reason for not wanting to combine all three nationals to help out the sport? Leonard while I'm at it let me ask you why the USAA took it upon themselves to create another nationals, I've heard the all three nationals offer different things but a pro am can be done without the national title attatched to it, and in fact is done a few times a year no? why are some of us so easy to say "well they have been around so long" just because it has been wrong for 15 plus years doesnt mean it has to stay wrong, if its not empire and money that prevents these sanctions from coming togather then WHAT IS IT! 1. Please list the promoters that sit on the USAF board and what specific topics each has voted on that voted with their own agenda to benefit their organization. Each and every one please David. You have laid out a serious accusation, so be completely specific. And, while you're at it please include how exactly you, yourself, know this to be true. Not what someone has told you their opinion may or may not be, or what your opinion may or may not be, but exactly how you know your accusation to be true. 2. I am currently working with the President of the AAA to combine a number of events in a joint effort for AAA and WWC. This, as you obviously are not aware, is a goal that Dave Devoto and Bob O'Leary had for years and never could accomplish - for AAA and WWC to work together. We are now in the process of putting this together. And please don't forget that John Burgeson also represents WWC and we all work together. 3. As for why AAA is not a member of USAF - you'll have to address the President of AAA - Frank Bean - on that topic. I can tell you this - USAF has not shown him any solid benefit for AAA to join. This point I myself have addressed with the other USAF board members and we are all aware of the fact that we need to seriously look at our structure in working with our member organizations in order to provide more solid benefits for them. We know this must be done but actually putting pen to paper solidifying it hasn't happened as yet. 4. The little feud as you call it with AAA & USAA started David - of which you are obviously unaware - when Bob O'Leary was owner of AAA. And David, the little feud started after the USAA was formed and they started holding the 2nd National event in this country. Interesting though, AAA had no problem with them holding their National Championship then and neither do we today. They are an existing armwrestling organization, and as such, can choose to operate as they see fit just like the rest of us. 5. Your reasoning baffles me. Let me ask you this David. Which soft drink do you drink? Dr. Pepper, Coca Cola, Pepsi, or another soft drink? If your answer is anything other than Dr. Pepper --- WHY? Dr. Pepper was first, so why would you support any other product? Or we could say Coca Cola is the largest distributor so why would you drink anything other than Coca Cola? Now does any of that make sense? Why should you limit yourself from any other soft drink products? They're all on the market, they're all available, and if you like soft drinks you can enjoy all of them. Why do you seem to think armwrestling has to be any different? Personally, I don't. I like the fact that in this country, I get to choose which products I buy and use. I can use multiple brands of the same products if I want to. First and foremost David I was an armwrestler. For 12 years I traveled all over this country and the world and competed. I put my elbow on the table for every event out there - WAF, WPAA, AAA, TAAA, WWC, Monster Armwrestling, Tony Celeste - you name it I pulled in it. I didn't give a tinker's damn who put the event on, what the rules were, or anything else. I wanted to pull! I wanted to do something I had grown to love and I thank goodness every single day for every single person that put on an event that I could participate in. I also thank goodness that I was not a closed minded individual that couldn't see past the nose on my face to what was staring straight at me --- the ability to enjoy something I will treasure till the day I die. And bear in mind David - just because you may think something is wrong doesn't always make it so. 1.I am obviously unaware of each and every topic that was voted on and who voted what, I guess I'm just using my own personal judgement and seeing how there is little or NO unity in armwrestling in the US, that fact completely backs my own personal veiw, if the promoters didnt have there own agenda we would have one set of rules, standard equipment and one national championships 2. the president of the AAA happens to be your husband I guess it should be very easy for the two to work togather 3. why the AAA is not a member of the USAF we have to ask your husband because you don't know his reasoning? 4. so the feuded started when USAA started their own nationals but AAA had no problem with it? then why the fued 5. Armwrestling is not a soft drink that people can buy off of every shelf in america, it is a underground sport that most people don't know about partly because there are so many variations of rules and equipment that no new armwrestler can keep up with it all. My reasoning is bringing legitimacy to a sport with none, to a sport that when you tell people you are envolved in laugh and say "I didnt know that was a real sport" I would think anyone who claims to love the sport so much would be willing to put the best interest of that sport first and it is NOT in the best interest of our sport to have 3 national championships, but if you or anyone else believes it is then they should have no problem with any additional national championships that may come along.....I've said it before but if there can be three there can bee 100
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Post by Karen Bean on Mar 21, 2011 21:33:49 GMT -5
1. Please list the promoters that sit on the USAF board and what specific topics each has voted on that voted with their own agenda to benefit their organization. Each and every one please David. You have laid out a serious accusation, so be completely specific. And, while you're at it please include how exactly you, yourself, know this to be true. Not what someone has told you their opinion may or may not be, or what your opinion may or may not be, but exactly how you know your accusation to be true. 2. I am currently working with the President of the AAA to combine a number of events in a joint effort for AAA and WWC. This, as you obviously are not aware, is a goal that Dave Devoto and Bob O'Leary had for years and never could accomplish - for AAA and WWC to work together. We are now in the process of putting this together. And please don't forget that John Burgeson also represents WWC and we all work together. 3. As for why AAA is not a member of USAF - you'll have to address the President of AAA - Frank Bean - on that topic. I can tell you this - USAF has not shown him any solid benefit for AAA to join. This point I myself have addressed with the other USAF board members and we are all aware of the fact that we need to seriously look at our structure in working with our member organizations in order to provide more solid benefits for them. We know this must be done but actually putting pen to paper solidifying it hasn't happened as yet. 4. The little feud as you call it with AAA & USAA started David - of which you are obviously unaware - when Bob O'Leary was owner of AAA. And David, the little feud started after the USAA was formed and they started holding the 2nd National event in this country. Interesting though, AAA had no problem with them holding their National Championship then and neither do we today. They are an existing armwrestling organization, and as such, can choose to operate as they see fit just like the rest of us. 5. Your reasoning baffles me. Let me ask you this David. Which soft drink do you drink? Dr. Pepper, Coca Cola, Pepsi, or another soft drink? If your answer is anything other than Dr. Pepper --- WHY? Dr. Pepper was first, so why would you support any other product? Or we could say Coca Cola is the largest distributor so why would you drink anything other than Coca Cola? Now does any of that make sense? Why should you limit yourself from any other soft drink products? They're all on the market, they're all available, and if you like soft drinks you can enjoy all of them. Why do you seem to think armwrestling has to be any different? Personally, I don't. I like the fact that in this country, I get to choose which products I buy and use. I can use multiple brands of the same products if I want to. First and foremost David I was an armwrestler. For 12 years I traveled all over this country and the world and competed. I put my elbow on the table for every event out there - WAF, WPAA, AAA, TAAA, WWC, Monster Armwrestling, Tony Celeste - you name it I pulled in it. I didn't give a tinker's damn who put the event on, what the rules were, or anything else. I wanted to pull! I wanted to do something I had grown to love and I thank goodness every single day for every single person that put on an event that I could participate in. I also thank goodness that I was not a closed minded individual that couldn't see past the nose on my face to what was staring straight at me --- the ability to enjoy something I will treasure till the day I die. And bear in mind David - just because you may think something is wrong doesn't always make it so. 1.I am obviously unaware of each and every topic that was voted on and who voted what, I guess I'm just using my own personal judgement and seeing how there is little or NO unity in armwrestling in the US, that fact completely backs my own personal veiw, if the promoters didnt have there own agenda we would have one set of rules, standard equipment and one national championships No David you made an accusation. Plain and simple you stated: the political bs is promoters voting on topics based on the agenda's of their affiliated org, and I'm not talking about the defunct WWC, I'm talking about the USAA and AAA So first you accuse the USAA and AAA of voting based on how something is going to benefit the USAA and AAA - even though the AAA is not represented on the USAF board but that's merely an oversight on your part, right? Now, you GUESS you were using your personal judgment? Accusation turns into personal judgment? What's wrong with that statement! And so now you have come to the great solution based on your "personal judgment" that due to the fact that the NAP, USAA, WWC, and IAF all have their own agendas and as a result we have multiple rules, multiple equipment, and multiple nationals. All because of these 4 armwrestling organizations! WOW, with reasoning like that................get a rope! Back up the accusations David or offer an apology for making wild accusation when you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.[/b] 2. the president of the AAA happens to be your husband I guess it should be very easy for the two to work togather I don't know David is it very easy for you to always work with your wife? Do the two of you see eye to eye on everything, everyday?3. why the AAA is not a member of the USAF we have to ask your husband because you don't know his reasoning? David, I don't speak for my husband. He's a grown man with a mind of his own that works perfectly well. He's more than able to speak for himself. And I'm sure if he feels any of your comments need to be dignified with a response, he'll give it.4. so the feuded started when USAA started their own nationals but AAA had no problem with it? then why the fued Hello? The little feud as you referred to it started long after USAA had been holding their National event and had nothing to do with the fact that they were holding a National event. As to why the feud may have started --- obviously David you weren't in the know because it was none of your business then and is none of your business now. If it was, you would definitely have been brought up to speed. However, let me reiterate --- the feud per se was between the USAA and the previous owner of the American Armwrestling Association.5. Armwrestling is not a soft drink that people can buy off of every shelf in america, it is a underground sport that most people don't know about partly because there are so many variations of rules and equipment that no new armwrestler can keep up with it all. My reasoning is bringing legitimacy to a sport with none, to a sport that when you tell people you are envolved in laugh and say "I didnt know that was a real sport" I would think anyone who claims to love the sport so much would be willing to put the best interest of that sport first and it is NOT in the best interest of our sport to have 3 national championships, but if you or anyone else believes it is then they should have no problem with any additional national championships that may come along.....I've said it before but if there can be three there can bee 100 [ b]Yes David, armwrestling IS a soft drink everyone can buy off the shelf. It doesn't have to be sitting in Walmart or Kroger but it's definitely out there for sale. And the great thing is anyone can buy it. You are not old enough to know this but David people laughed and said "I didn't know that was a real sport" back when there was only ONE armwrestling organization in this country. As for my "claim to love the sport", let me tell you this. You first spend 12 years of your own money - not mommy and daddy's money, your own - traveling to events, paying for gasoline, plane tickets, hotel rooms, entry fees, food. Then you spend 25 years traveling to world, national, state, and local tournaments again spending your own money for gasoline, plane tickets, hotel rooms, food and stand on your feet all day refereeing. Couple into that 25 years spending your time, effort, and again your own money to promote events. You invest 36 years into this sport - in every position possible (competitor, referee, promoter, scorekeeper, etc) and then you can stand and question my "claim to love this sport". Until then David, you don't have a clue![/size][[/b]/quote]
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