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Post by Pete & Tim on Apr 18, 2011 10:25:18 GMT -5
Of course you agree with Robert.
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Post by davetexdahl on Apr 18, 2011 10:47:44 GMT -5
Of course you agree with Robert. [/quote Why would I not agree with Robert? Is there a way you can explain your comment towards me?] I would appreciate it.
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 18, 2011 14:26:33 GMT -5
This is a really disrespectful comment. and also Johns comment was very rude. never mind. just discovered you are Mac Telle. LOL! Good one, Mac! I actually like this style you've got going, even though when I look at your avatar I think of a guy at a wedding doing the Cha Cha Slide: To the left, take it back now ya’ll 1 hop this time, right foot let’s stomp Left foot let’s stomp, Cha Cha real smooth Turn it down, to the left Take it back now ya’ll 1 hop this time, right foot let’s stomp Left foot let’s stomp, Cha Cha now ya’ll
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Post by David Owens on Apr 18, 2011 16:01:56 GMT -5
Josh - Read the entire Thread before making dumb remarks.... Besides who in the history has ever made money off Armwrestling? Huh? I sure as heck don't! "Dumb" remarks? That's the way to get support for a new organization, by offending very respected pullers who don't agree with your approach. Pretty disappointing response, Robert, especially when you are the face of the UAL. John are you surprized that Roberts patience with people harping on the UAL for no good reason is starting to wear thin, Laton is right 100% , and I'm very surprized by which side you have taken on this issue, I believe Robert has stated multiple times in this thread that the site would soon be free again so if Mr. Stark would have read it he may not have made his comment, JUST SAYING I would be getting a little tired of it as well
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 18, 2011 16:54:18 GMT -5
Robert's a salesman. Rejection is part of sales. If a potential customer doesn't want your product or you feel he doesn't understand your solution, then you haven't done a good enough sales job. You don't start offending the customer.
I don't know about you, but I am a customer. It's my thousand dollars that it costs to attend a UAL event. It's up to the promotor to make me think his organization is something I'd want to support. That's the sales part.
The "side" I've come down on is that Robert did a pretty stupid thing from a sales perspective. I have made no judgement on the UAL. I hope it blows up huge. That's good for everyone. If the UAL makes it, it will be due to under promising and over delivering.
Robert can't afford to get tired. He needs to use all the feedback he gets. If it's negative, then he should realize that his message isn't getting across and he should keep working on it. Biting the hand that feeds you cuts both ways. I'm happy Robert wants to put his time and money into armwrestling. But he also needs to understand that we are a tight community, and he needs everyone he can get, not just the cheerleaders.
No matter how great you think something is, you'll never get 100% buy-in, especially in the short term. In the long term he might have gotten Josh to become a supporter. But now he won't, and he's losing me, too.
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Post by David Owens on Apr 18, 2011 17:56:39 GMT -5
makes sense and I understand that perspective, but its got to be tough trying to make that sells pitch on an open forum like this and have people say" from the company that hasn't gotten it right from the start" after giving a far more monatarily involved effort than 99% of the sport, and now people are questioning his motives? ...........Armtv has some of the same haters because gary is making a living HELPING armwrestling,......WHAT, ITS NOT FREEE, how dare he try to make a living offering a product that cannot be found anywhere else
As far as getting 100% of the armwrestling community, I'm sorry to say that will never happen, getting the 80% to come that far out of pocket for the sport is dreaming, good thing the UAL is aiming for people who are not armwrestlers and the % of them outweighs us armwrestlers by a few digits
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 18, 2011 18:37:02 GMT -5
I agree it's tough. But that's why a business can't be driven by emotion. Rejection is tough, even when you aren't emotionally invested. When you are, it can be crushing.
I'm very appreciative that Robert has thrown his time and money into armwrestling. That's a great thing. As far as his motives go, that doesn't concern anyone but Robert. I hope it's a profit motive, because that's the only thing that makes a business successful. A business without profit is not a business for long. I wish nothing but good things for the UAL and I really want to see it prosper. Like any business, if you lose the respect of your customers / supporters the business will fail.
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Post by Josh Hablinski on Apr 18, 2011 18:44:02 GMT -5
I've been off of the forums and on Facebook for too long. I almost tried to "like" a few comments I read.
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Post by Scott Wright on Apr 18, 2011 19:04:45 GMT -5
^^^Lol, I've done that a few times as well. It would be nice to have that option so I can like something without posting.
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Post by Coley Jones on Apr 18, 2011 19:10:49 GMT -5
^^^Lol, I've done that a few times as well. It would be nice to have that option so I can like something without posting. Attachments:
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Post by Robert Drenk on Apr 18, 2011 19:35:30 GMT -5
John,
I've been a salesmen long enough to know when I'm saying something what the result will be. Bottom line is his comment deserved my response. I'm not looking to kiss anyones ass, nor will I. I offer an opportunity for Armwrestlers, if they want it, then take it if you dont so be it. I dont need someone coming to my events that is going to talk trash on it. I work very hard every day to build the opportunity for the armwrestlers and I hope the day comes where I get paid back but I can assure you my rude comment back to him will not slow the success of the UAL one bit.
You can take that as me being cocky if you want but I'm just stating the facts. If you dont like what I'm doing or the opportunity I'm supplying then so be it, good luck getting what you've got. I'm not going to sit back and keep taking crap from people especially when the facts were right in front of his face and he chose not to read them before making his Dumb comment.
I know a lot of promoters and I can tell you I think I treat everyone better than most. I look out for the UAL athletes, I treat them with respect (When the same is given in return) and I am not going to take rude comments or crap from anyone. Thats me take it or leave it!
Robert
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Post by davetexdahl on Apr 18, 2011 20:14:03 GMT -5
John, I've been a salesmen long enough to know when I'm saying something what the result will be. Bottom line is his comment deserved my response. I'm not looking to kiss anyones ass, nor will I. I offer an opportunity for Armwrestlers, if they want it, then take it if you dont so be it. I dont need someone coming to my events that is going to talk trash on it. I work very hard every day to build the opportunity for the armwrestlers and I hope the day comes where I get paid back but I can assure you my rude comment back to him will not slow the success of one bit. You can take that as me being cocky if you want but I'm just stating the facts. If you dont like what I'm doing or the opportunity I'm supplying then so be it, good luck getting what you've got. I'm not going to sit back and keep taking crap from people especially when the facts were right in front of his face and he chose not to read them before making his Dumb comment. I know a lot of promoters and I can tell you I think I treat everyone better than most. I look out for the UAL athletes, I treat them with respect (When the same is given in return) and I am not going to take rude comments or crap from anyone. Thats me take it or leave it! Robert Well Said Robert. I have not been to one of your events. But I hear Great things. When Im able to save enough money I will be there. Thank you for all that you are doing.
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 18, 2011 22:01:50 GMT -5
John, I've been a salesmen long enough to know when I'm saying something what the result will be. Bottom line is his comment deserved my response. I'm not looking to kiss anyones ass, nor will I. I offer an opportunity for Armwrestlers, if they want it, then take it if you dont so be it. I dont need someone coming to my events that is going to talk trash on it. I work very hard every day to build the opportunity for the armwrestlers and I hope the day comes where I get paid back but I can assure you my rude comment back to him will not slow the success of the UAL one bit. You can take that as me being cocky if you want but I'm just stating the facts. If you dont like what I'm doing or the opportunity I'm supplying then so be it, good luck getting what you've got. I'm not going to sit back and keep taking crap from people especially when the facts were right in front of his face and he chose not to read them before making his Dumb comment. I know a lot of promoters and I can tell you I think I treat everyone better than most. I look out for the UAL athletes, I treat them with respect (When the same is given in return) and I am not going to take rude comments or crap from anyone. Thats me take it or leave it! Robert Thanks for the response, Robert. Best of luck to you.
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Post by Josh Shotgun Stark on Apr 19, 2011 8:26:12 GMT -5
Actually Robert, I did read the full thread before I made my comment!!I don't feel any remorse about what I said, been around too long to let someone I don't know bother me.I didn't see the point in being free, then charging, then being free again, just doesn't make any sense, as far as calling my comment dumb, I really don't give a sh*t about it. Glad to see John speak up. I am a fair & honest person, but I am sure if you asked around to anyone who knows me that you'd see I never make dumb comments...I hardly even respond to anything, have better things to do with my time!! Good Luck with your ventures...
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Post by David Owens on Apr 19, 2011 14:15:15 GMT -5
Yet another reason I don't feel armwrestling is going in the right direction...A free site is now a pay site, people making money off the backs of those who make the sport what it is!! I don't care if this upsets anyone, I've been involved in Armwrestling for 25 years & have never seen so many people who claim to help our sport make money by us doing what we do!!! Glad now that I have been away... I have to agree with Robert Drenk. This is a really disrespectful comment. and also Johns comment was very rude. I have done a little research on Robert Drenk. He isnt trying to retire off of armwrestling. Robert is already very sucessful. Armwrestling is a hobbie for him, and he is trying to make this sport popular. So instead of bad mouthing and being disrespectful, maybe a little praise should be given. Damn Mac, I understand being bored but you have beat this horse to death, maybe its time to JUST PULL!
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