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Post by kyledarby on May 25, 2011 16:34:09 GMT -5
Engin
Is every move in armwrestling not a variation of a hook,toproll, or press?
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Post by John Wilson on May 25, 2011 16:37:17 GMT -5
No. Hook and Toproll are very common, the press much less so. But I think it's a mistake to think in terms of "moves" instead of thinking in terms of pressures.
Often the hook or toproll is where you end up based on the pressures applied, and who applied more in a given direction. In other words, your goal may be to hit straight side with a flat palm because it is extremely fast. Due to your pressure being applied higher than the other guy, he loses his hand and you take it. (If he's going to give you an advantage you should capitalize on it.) Everyone thinks you toprolled the guy but it wasn't your intention. Had your opponent hit toward you and low he would have rolled into a hook while you were going side. You kept up your momentum and everyone thinks you hooked him, but it wasn't the intention. You were heading for the pin pad and he couldn't stop you- you didn't intentionally hook, it was just faster to go around his hand than through it since he already turned his hand out of the way for you.
Millions of scenarios. Hook, toproll, and press are easy to spot but they are not the only moves. They are just tools in a toolbox.
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Post by enginterzi on May 25, 2011 16:39:39 GMT -5
Engin Is every move in armwrestling not a variation of a hook,toproll, or press? press? i am pressing side way but the question is asked as shoulder press.i am not attacking on hand,i am not attacking on arm but doing something in between so i can not call it toproll or hook,neither shoulder press,but side pressure.
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Post by kyledarby on May 25, 2011 16:40:43 GMT -5
Please ellaborate then. I don't see how not.
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Post by John Wilson on May 25, 2011 16:47:12 GMT -5
Sorry, Kyle. We cross posted. I didn't mean to stop with 'no' I hit the post button by mistake. I was modifying my post while you and Engin were typing.
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Post by John Wilson on May 25, 2011 16:56:41 GMT -5
Here are some examples of why all armwrestling is not a variation of a hook, toproll, or press:
1. You are way faster than I am. My only goal is to contain you because I know I am stronger, but I have to survive your hit to even be in the match. I'm going to use a ton of down pressure with pronation. Down pressure locks you down and pronation will protect me from getting toprolled. (I'm cupping, too, but that's part of the downpressure.) I'm going to shove straight side to keep from getting pinned but I'm not trying to flash you, just move you off center.
If it works, I have stopped your hit and contained your hand. Since you are so fast you fly past your arm and I have a much easier time doing whatever my next movement has to be to move to the pin pad.
2. I don't want to be hooked. But you are a fantastic hooker so toprolling you is pretty much out of the question because if you stop me, I'm toast. I want to keep your wrist flat, so I'll apply tons of back pressure into your fingertips. If I am successful we will end up in a flat-hand side pressure war. I'm applying similar pressures as I would in a toproll, but I am not going to apply enough pressure that my wrist will dump if you stop me. I just want your wrist flat and and your fingers loaded up. All my backpressure will keep me from hooking, too- and pressing is out of the question because I'm loading back so hard during the match. I'll probably drive upwards to get some of your weight off of your elbow and keep you from driving through me. It's a long, tedious way to go sideways, but it might be my only shot.
These are defensive tactics, obviously, but used in an offensive way to take you out of your strength.
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Post by kyledarby on May 25, 2011 17:33:42 GMT -5
Thank you
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