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Post by Karen Bean on Oct 22, 2011 19:45:50 GMT -5
It's a good thing that there are so many tourneys now. The sport is growing with enthusiasm! TK It is and it isn't. It's a good thing to have events but it's a bad thing when they stack on top of each other. Stacking only hurts the events.
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Post by Karen Bean on Oct 22, 2011 19:49:13 GMT -5
Karen, I was going to make a long post about this and other things but I didn't want people to think that I had self-serving motives. Therefore I will wait until after Nov.19. James, you were good to me by changing your date so as not to stack on top of Florida State and believe me, I appreciate it! It's not being self-serving to have an event scheduled and others come on top of you, which hurts participation, and be upset by it It's also not being self-serving to have an event running year after year and then out of nowhere here comes another one, and be upset by it. As I said earlier, I'm not saying dates are carved in stone and no one can hold an event the same date, but, IMO, those events that have been long standing for a number of years should be respected. Again, just my opinion.
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 23, 2011 7:41:09 GMT -5
Great topic. Very important in my opinion.
Kurt Howgate:
Does ProBoards offer a visual calendar page where people could list / view events? (like a Microsoft Outlook type thing for example) It might be a whole lot easier to use an actual calendar than a list page that doesn't auto-sort by date.
Just wondering.
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Post by Bob Brown on Oct 23, 2011 9:45:41 GMT -5
Sorry for playing the bad guy but why does every so called promoter keep fishing out of the same pond. Travis Bagent once hit the nail on the head when saying, "When putting on an event, you should only rely on a 50 mile radius for your entries"
This is absolutely true. Prior to the internet, most of these events were not even known about. They still happened and did well. There was overlapping all the time. Now we know about them and cry when one event is on top of another.
If you really want to call yourself a "promoter" than do exactly that. PROMOTE. Don't worry about the surrounding states or active pullers. Go out and find new ones. Instead of always fishing out of the same pond, make a new pond near you home.
Sorry, I know this will upset some, but most promoters, IMO, have gotten lazy. They put there event on the internet and thats it.
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Post by Jeramie Towle on Oct 23, 2011 9:55:03 GMT -5
Arms for Kids always the same weekend in august
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Post by jamesretarides on Oct 23, 2011 10:02:16 GMT -5
But with all that being said, I am open to CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions Bob.
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Post by Bob Brown on Oct 23, 2011 11:10:26 GMT -5
And you think I was talking about you.....WHY?
Simply because I happened to post after you. The timing of my post had nothing to do with your post.
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Post by TK on Oct 23, 2011 11:13:07 GMT -5
I always exaust every date and try my best not to be on top of someone elses.
Here lately there are so many....
It's very hard not to.
Again... Good problem to have.
TK
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Post by jamesretarides on Oct 23, 2011 11:22:01 GMT -5
Bob, seriously? It looked like you were directly answering my post.
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Post by Bob Brown on Oct 23, 2011 11:33:43 GMT -5
Bob, seriously? It looked like you were directly answering my post. To be perfectly honest. I had not even read your post. However, I have now. Story. When living in NJ. I found out about an event at a local bar that paid $50 for first and $100 for overall. Only 2 weight classes and cost $2 to enter. I also heard that NO real armwrestlers ever went. Well every week, one of us a practice went and won the money. The week I went, I made the mistake of talking about the real sport. 2 things happened over the course of the next month. 1. More real armwrestlers went and the entries went way down because the locals figured they could not win. 2. Few but some of the locals starting going to other event. Hence a little growth into the real sport. What I took from this experience was....... Most will only compete if they think they have a shot at winning. Also, if you can get more involved thinking they can win, they might get hooked into the sport before they realize they might not be able too for a while. Nothing more than food for thought. I have NO doubt about your passion and drive for the sport.
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Post by Karen Bean on Oct 23, 2011 13:28:29 GMT -5
Respectfully.................I disagree Bob with your example regarding Travis's events/quotes and I'd like to see Travis operate as per your quote and see how well he fares. In looking at results from Travis's events, the majority of the pullers are farther than a 50 mile radius. It would be interesting to see the results of an event Travis holds where only competitors living within a 50 mile radius are allowed to enter. Wonder how well that event would fare.
It is proven fact that armwrestlers will travel far more than 50 miles to attend events. That fact is proven over and over every single month an event is held.
Many of the events discussed in this thread have been happening prior to internet and they were well known within a far larger radius than 50 miles due to phone calls and fliers being mailed. Locally promoting in the newspaper, gyms, fast food restaurants, etc was done for years and years for events. And, for some promoters - it still is being done.
Interesting that for many years, long before internet, events did not overlap each other. Promoters pretty much knew when the "long standing events" were held and stayed away from them. There was a courtesy that was extended and a respect that was given. Now with the internet overlapping is the norm these days. And, yes, I do believe that any promoter out there that has been either hosting an event for years OR has put their event date out to the public should be extended a courtesy. Of course as stated before, if at all humanly possible. And, 99.9% of the time it is humanly possible.
Just using the example of our Florida State and James's event. No, I hadn't advertised it yet, but once I said something to James about stacking on top of me, he openly stated he knew about Florida State but had simply forgot. He immediately went about changing his date. That's how we should all work together!!!!
The promoters that have been doing this for many years believe it or not, still advertise locally and take the time, effort, and expense of mailing fliers. Shocking news, but all armwrestlers do not have internet access!
Who are the promoters you refer to Bob that are lazy and rely solely on advertising on the internet? I agree that while the internet is a great tool to take advantage of, it should never be the only source of advertisement used. You've made this statement before so I was just curious.
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Post by TK on Oct 23, 2011 14:15:14 GMT -5
Respectfully.................I disagree Bob with your example regarding Travis's events/quotes and I'd like to see Travis operate as per your quote and see how well he fares. In looking at results from Travis's events, the majority of the pullers are farther than a 50 mile radius. It would be interesting to see the results of an event Travis holds where only competitors living within a 50 mile radius are allowed to enter. Wonder how well that event would fare. It is proven fact that armwrestlers will travel far more than 50 miles to attend events. That fact is proven over and over every single month an event is held. Many of the events discussed in this thread have been happening prior to internet and they were well known within a far larger radius than 50 miles due to phone calls and fliers being mailed. Locally promoting in the newspaper, gyms, fast food restaurants, etc was done for years and years for events. And, for some promoters - it still is being done. Interesting that for many years, long before internet, events did not overlap each other. Promoters pretty much knew when the "long standing events" were held and stayed away from them. There was a courtesy that was extended and a respect that was given. Now with the internet overlapping is the norm these days. And, yes, I do believe that any promoter out there that has been either hosting an event for years OR has put their event date out to the public should be extended a courtesy. Of course as stated before, if at all humanly possible. And, 99.9% of the time it is humanly possible. Just using the example of our Florida State and James's event. No, I hadn't advertised it yet, but once I said something to James about stacking on top of me, he openly stated he knew about Florida State but had simply forgot. He immediately went about changing his date. That's how we should all work together!!!! The promoters that have been doing this for many years believe it or not, still advertise locally and take the time, effort, and expense of mailing fliers. Shocking news, but all armwrestlers do not have internet access! Who are the promoters you refer to Bob that are lazy and rely solely on advertising on the internet? I agree that while the internet is a great tool to take advantage of, it should never be the only source of advertisement used. You've made this statement before so I was just curious. I pass out flyers to all local gyms and restaurants / bars... Funny thing is....none of them come.. 2nd funny thing is I had 2 new people come to my event Saturday ... Guess where they found the info? Online!! New day and age folks. TK
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Post by Denise Wattles on Oct 23, 2011 17:03:10 GMT -5
USAA: Feb - NM State - Albuquerque March - Arnold - 1st weekend (Mid) Oregon State Klamath Falls Late March/Early April - Alabama State, Mobile April - Jim Foster Memorial April/Early May =Show of Champions, Orlando Mid June - Kansas State End of June - USAA Nationals 4th if July - Willamina, OR July - Show of Champions - CT August - Wyoming State August - Super Show, Dallas Sept/Oct - Missouri State November - Kentucky Muscle
No dates yet: Oklahoma State South Dakota State Illinois event Florida event Nashua, MT - gone
You need to take into account that the promoter doesn't always have a choice in the date, or location. We will not turn down a date/location if the event won't happen otherwise. Sponsors normally hold the power. Denise
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Post by Mike West on Oct 23, 2011 20:24:30 GMT -5
As a promoter I have found that internet and traveling to other events seems to work best, we have about a dozen people that will show up if mailed a flyer, I have a question at the bottom of my entry forms asking how they heard about it, helps to keep from wasting $$ mailing flyers if they are seeing it here anyway.
I don't know if it's just our area, but I've put out flyers in stores, gym's, malls, bars, and bowling alley's for years and never get any response from them, especially the gym's, LAC (local gym) won't even let me put flyers up there, or take a table there.
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Post by Christina Casto on Oct 23, 2011 20:36:27 GMT -5
I agree with James and Bob also makes one good point about you just have to go with what you got and try to get the pullers to you tournament. I have gotten sh*# on every year for the last 10 years with my WV states. It has always been the 3rd weekend in july and never fails there is always a tournament within a state around me the same day. I have pushed on and just went with sending flyers out, internet, email etc. to no avail. but last year was so bad I have moved mine this year to The WV Games in Charlseton Wv Labor Day weekend. This is in conjunction with Basketball, volleyball, Jiu-jitsu, 5k run, crossfit conpetition and much more family oriented events. I am hoping by doing this things will change for WV states. I do understand what James is talking about. I have fished out dates all the time an made sure there are no tournaments that day and never fails someone just so happens to slip in there. ugh. James I do want to say good luck with your tournament. I was even thinking of coming down that weekend.
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