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Post by John Milne on Feb 23, 2012 23:16:48 GMT -5
What if that opponent is smarter than him Mac? John, Unless you can prove me wrong, There is NO Armwrestlers smarter on the table than John Brzenk. Todd, Larrett, Bresnan, Lupkes, Jerry C. Are all awesome pullers, but no where as smart on the table as John. I feel the same about Bagent left handed, Devon is smarter than John. But let me guess... I'll get flamed for this. It will be perfectly fine to say it the other way around....
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Feb 23, 2012 23:54:22 GMT -5
Whats all this talk about John is smarter or Devon is smarter i saw Pulling John there are only 3 moves in armwrestling the Toproll the Hook and the Press how smart do you need to be HaHa.
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Post by John Milne on Feb 24, 2012 0:00:06 GMT -5
Be careful in here Dante.
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Post by Jacob Hale on Feb 24, 2012 0:27:58 GMT -5
John, Unless you can prove me wrong, There is NO Armwrestlers smarter on the table than John Brzenk. Todd, Larrett, Bresnan, Lupkes, Jerry C. Are all awesome pullers, but no where as smart on the table as John. I feel the same about Bagent left handed, Devon is smarter than John. quote] John, all due respect, but that is a rediculous statement. Not because its not true but because is impossible to prove. There is no doubt that Devon approaches AW in a more scientific manner than just about anyone else. Devon is probably even a way better teacher as well. But John Brzenk's AW IQ has got to be off the chart in terms of intuitive and tacit knowledge. For instance i watched that video where Devon was explaining the different strong and soft counters and so on, and i was like "wow this guy has really really studied this". But I guarentee you John Brzenk "knows" the same stuff, he just doesnt even know he is doing it.
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Post by John Milne on Feb 24, 2012 0:34:13 GMT -5
Exactly my point. Thank you for proving it Mr. Hale.
I was simply re-stating Mac's comment to him from the other side. I KNEW I would get flack from it. It's cool though, I expected it.
You then go on to "guarantee" that John knows the same stuff. Can you PROVE that? You just busted me for making an unprovable statement and you continue to make one of your own.
How did you just do that?
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Post by Jacob Hale on Feb 24, 2012 0:38:38 GMT -5
No, you are right John. I cant prove that anyone knows anything intuitively. I just "highly suspect" that john knows the same things. How's that? and had I read this thread a little closer, I would have realized what you were doing when you responded to Mac's statement. my bad..
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Post by mactelle on Feb 24, 2012 0:40:05 GMT -5
Exactly my point. Thank you for proving it Mr. Hale. I was simply re-stating Mac's comment to him from the other side. I KNEW I would get flack from it. It's cool though, I expected it. You then go on to "guarantee" that John knows the same stuff. Can you PROVE that? You just busted me for making an unprovable statement and you continue to make one of your own. How did you just do that? I think knowledge on the table is proved by how long a puller has consistantly pulled. I believe John has pulled longer than pretty much everyone....It would be one thing if John was just a decent puller after all of these years...But John has been the best in the World since i was in diapers...I think the top pullers in this sport are very smart..they have to be, they are just not as smart as John...
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Post by John Milne on Feb 24, 2012 0:48:33 GMT -5
OK Mac.
Once again you don't make logical arguments but I don't expect it. I'll leave you to your opinion as you would not change it no matter what is presented to you.
Why did you make this thread? Or more to the point why didn't you state your intentions better?
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Post by mactelle on Feb 24, 2012 0:59:26 GMT -5
OK Mac. Once again you don't make logical arguments but I don't expect it. I'll leave you to your opinion as you would not change it no matter what is presented to you. Why did you make this thread? Or more to the point why didn't you state your intentions better? im not following what you are getting at John, i responded to a comment you made, that doesnt mean its not logical....its very logical... and as far as why i started this thread? i had a legitimate question...is that logical enough for you John? or is it better that i just agree with everything you say? would that be more logical?
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Post by John Milne on Feb 24, 2012 1:06:17 GMT -5
OK Mac. Once again you don't make logical arguments but I don't expect it. I'll leave you to your opinion as you would not change it no matter what is presented to you. Why did you make this thread? Or more to the point why didn't you state your intentions better? im not following what you are getting at John, i responded to a comment you made, that doesnt mean its not logical....its very logical... and as far as why i started this thread? i had a legitimate question...is that logical enough for you John? or is it better that i just agree with everything you say? would that be more logical? So by default John is smarter than anyone. He's been doing it longer at a higher level. I wonder where that puts Crazy George. He's more than 10 years older than John, been doing this a long time too. You statement about quantifying intelligence is not logical, it's assumption and opinion. BIG difference. You don't have to agree with everything I've said but use valid points and facts instead of opinion. You stated John would beat Jerry.... well, he lost in their last meeting. You stated that John would beat Devon... same result. Your OPINION is that John would win, the historical FACTS say otherwise.
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Post by John Milne on Feb 24, 2012 1:07:58 GMT -5
Look Mac, I get that you love John. I don't blame you, he's awesome.
I think you'd be better off stating your opinion as just that and not as FACT.
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Post by mactelle on Feb 24, 2012 1:26:10 GMT -5
Look Mac, I get that you love John. I don't blame you, he's awesome. I think you'd be better off stating your opinion as just that and not as FACT. I dont have the facts about anyone....what im stating is what I believe...also 2 different things....I Believe John is better than anyone...thats wha t I believeas far as comparing George to John because George is older?? thats not a good point at all.. I started riding a dirt bike Long before Bubba Stewart....but he is alot better than me.. Jerry C. and John had a supermatch on Venice beach.....I believe there were bad calls that day..also John had back problems that i had mentioned in an earlier post.. As far as Devon and John, Devon was stronger that day, do i believe Devon can beat John again??? No
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Post by John Milne on Feb 24, 2012 1:28:10 GMT -5
ok
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Feb 24, 2012 9:18:58 GMT -5
What if that opponent is smarter than him Mac? John, Unless you can prove me wrong, There is NO Armwrestlers smarter on the table than John Brzenk. Todd, Larrett, Bresnan, Lupkes, Jerry C. Are all awesome pullers, but no where as smart on the table as John. I feel the same about Bagent left handed, RIGHT!
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Feb 24, 2012 9:20:20 GMT -5
Back from my self imposed "vacation', cause this was pointed out to me. No one in this Country could touch TRAVIS' LEFT, ESPECIALLY THIS WILTON BROCK. He would't have ever TOUCHED ME, ERIC W, MARCIO, OR JOHN B EVER, !!!!!!!! And maybe Tom ( when he stops playing around ), or Ryan C too... AND can he EVER go to a Nat meet? Well the 08 AAA Nats, were in West Palm Beach, Fl...Where was WILTON, and the rest of the so called "great" Heavies from Fl?...The only one that showed was TIM PARKER! LETS SET UP A SUPER (TRAVIS)/ CHALLENGE (WILTON) MATCH between the 2.... I will back Travis ,5k, 10k? and none of this $250, $500, "gentlemans bet I got no money" B.S....... He is "that' great, get someone to back him! And no one in the WORLD could tbeat Travis either If, thats IF, he took this "sport" seriously again, like a few yrs ago. BUT, why should he. MAYBE WE WILL SEE IT IN MOSCOW, in a few months No on to John..He is 48!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets see the MTs JCs, DLs, and ALL the Europeans make it to 48 at the top of the sport...LMAO...Something tells me MOST of them won't be in it anymore...CAN you guess WHY? LMAO I will put 5k on Wilton against you, Christian. And Against Marcio. and Tom. I would never bet MY money against Travis' left arm. So would I, I'm retired....lol
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