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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 19, 2013 4:03:46 GMT -5
Agreed Vazgen
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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 19, 2013 4:18:41 GMT -5
The problem is that nobody is saying anything.
I've heard comments from high up stating: Russia should be but won't be Because the promoter is Russian this will never happen Because of the country it's in, this won't happen
Why have it in the constitution if we don't support it. Might as well scrap it, no constitution means no organized sport, meaning why even bother test anybody.
You can reach the right audience with this question when they are not visible or have provided "brushing under the table" responses
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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 19, 2013 4:30:51 GMT -5
Leonard, I am not asking/expecting USA to action anything on this.
I'm merely looking at a countries opinion on the validity of the question.
What are your personal thoughts on this?
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 19, 2013 9:25:24 GMT -5
The problem is that nobody is saying anything. I've heard comments from high up stating: Russia should be but won't be Because the promoter is Russian this will never happen Because of the country it's in, this won't happen Why have it in the constitution if we don't support it. Might as well scrap it, no constitution means no organized sport, meaning why even bother test anybody. You can reach the right audience with this question when they are not visible or have provided "brushing under the table" responses Ok Will this is the deal, First off you are reading the constitution wrong. The WAF has the right to look at the country of convicted athletes that have been busted for infractions of the WADA code. If it is determined that the country is doing the doping then they as a country can be banned. It would have to be determined that the country itself is sanctioning and providing the doping for this to be in effect. Now the executive committee can and has given Russia sanctions on team points in the past because they thought that there were too many Russians caught doping and that is subject to congress approval. That is why I kept bringing up the Executive to you. All of this has nothing to do with us being in Poland for this years Worlds. Nor does it have to do with the promoter being Russian which he is not. Leonard
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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 19, 2013 9:30:36 GMT -5
I disagree, it does have to do with Poland as it states " next sanctioned WAF event" the next WAF event after Europeans is Poland
The constitution is very clearly written, if it is interpreted wrong, it was written wrong.
Rules shouldn't leave room for interpretation. There were 6 infractions at Europeans from 1 country. That, in my opinion, constitutes a disqual.
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Post by Marcin Mielniczuk on Aug 19, 2013 12:33:59 GMT -5
I would like to mark BIG difference:
If you are talking about Igor Mazurenko - he is Ukrainian and lives in Poland.
I would like to remind, that you are going to POLAND not to RUSSIA. Difference is like Mexico and USA. Two different countries. (check your flight where you booked your flight to be sure where you will go).
About the rules - my proposal is to send this question to Assen Hadjitodorov - actual WAF president. He should answer.
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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 19, 2013 12:45:02 GMT -5
Thanks Marcin, I am not trying to insult anyone, just sparking a debatable conversation
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 19, 2013 20:54:55 GMT -5
I disagree, it does have to do with Poland as it states " next sanctioned WAF event" the next WAF event after Europeans is Poland The constitution is very clearly written, if it is interpreted wrong, it was written wrong. Rules shouldn't leave room for interpretation. There were 6 infractions at Europeans from 1 country. That, in my opinion, constitutes a disqual. First off Will there will always be room for interpretation of any rule and one of the keys to understanding the rule is to be there when it was voted in. Neither here nor there I am pasting the quote again from the constitution. Countries found guilty of doping will be given a warning for a first offence; second offence will be disqualification from the event in question and third offence will be three year suspension from any WAF sanctioned event.Now you notice that it says Countries and not Athletes of an Country. The country itself would need to be guilty and not just athletes from one country. Now the question remains on how you prove that the country itself is doing the doping. The fact is that this is not an easy determination to prove. A better system would be based on the athletes them selves but that poses interesting questions all in itself. How do you make Canada responsible for individual athletes who dope? How do you make USA responsible when we have no control over the individual actions of our athletes.
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Post by Sammie Hattabaugh Jr on Aug 19, 2013 21:30:04 GMT -5
I see that they have Me on the right grandmasters +100kg. But not on the right senior grandmasters +100 kg.
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Post by Marcin Mielniczuk on Aug 19, 2013 22:51:21 GMT -5
this registration was made by your team captain - not me. changes till 23.08.2013 are free so your captain can change the reg form.
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Post by Sammie Hattabaugh Jr on Aug 19, 2013 23:47:39 GMT -5
Thank you I will let Simon know.
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Post by Vazgen Soghoyan on Aug 21, 2013 1:03:49 GMT -5
National Federations ( countries in this case) cannot control their own athletes' medical condition. Country can say " We Don't know what supplements they use" . You can't do/prove anything in this case. Or, Country knows it's own athletes' medical condition and promotes drug race by keeping silence. But how to prove this? Impossible. Perhaps Canada's or North American representative can send an official letter to WAF President to clear the situation.
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Post by Mike West on Aug 21, 2013 22:01:36 GMT -5
Marcin, do you know if Hotel Gdynia has WIFI, if so is there a charge?
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Post by Marcin Mielniczuk on Aug 22, 2013 1:00:18 GMT -5
Multimedia:
Wi-Fi at the hotel Wi-Fi in your room Wi-Fi in the communal areas WIFI Wireless Internet access
but I have to check that its free or not.
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Post by Rick Pinkney on Aug 22, 2013 3:04:51 GMT -5
Although Poland is part of the EU should we stiill bring Zloty or can you get away with just Euros.
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