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Post by Eric Roussin on Oct 30, 2014 9:29:45 GMT -5
Based solely on the top 8 results from the four regional qualifiers, below are the pullers who are eligible to compete in the men’s classes at the WAL New Orleans BIG MONEY BadA$$ Championship. The lists do not include those who may have qualified by attending all four regional events, or those who may receive an “at-large invitation”.
This is going to be one scary comp!
165 Right (21)
Janis Amolins Yosef Chalbi Jim Coyle Shea Dickie Allen Fisher Ethan Fritsche Geoff Hale Matt Harris Nathan Harrison Kyle Hebert Ray Hennerichs Mamed Jussupov Luke Kindt Lee King Ron Klemba Tim Lewis Olin Lucas Chris Nittoli Vazgen Soghoyan Brad Spine Paul Talbott
165 Left (23)
Janis Amolins LeiRaun Baldwin Grant Bundy Yosef Chalbi Shea Dickie Allen Fisher Jeremy Fraley Ethan Fritsche Chris Gobby Geoff Hale Josh Handeland Michael Hann Matt Harris Ray Hennerichs Luke Kindt Ron Klemba Steve Lalley Neil Looker Ken McKinney Trent Monk Jeremy Pappy Paul Talbott Paul Vertalka
195 Right (22)
Colby Anderson Alexandr Balashov Scott Ballinger Simon Berriochoa Michael Bianchi Allen Ford Alan Guerra A.J. Henson Todd Hutchings Bill Logsdon Quinlan Mendez Daniel Mosier Eric Roussin Mike Selearis Chad Silvers Bill Sinks Herman Stevens Chase Stratton Craig Tullier Jason Vale Dan Whittle Eric Wolfe
195 Left (24)
Jerry Avants Alexandr Balashov Scott Ballinger Seth Barnett Dustin Cook Giordano Cruz Amos Glenn Alan Guerra Matt Harris A.J. Henson Todd Hutchings Ron Klemba Quinlan Mendez Bill Logsdon Robertas Prozivalskis Steve Rau Eric Roussin Mike Selearis George Sheldrick Herman Stevens Chase Stratton Craig Tullier E.J. Worden Danial Worley
225 Right (26)
Doug Allen Marcio Barboza Rob Bigwood Sam Bowling Brian Brandon Jim Bryan John Brzenk Andrew Casto Doug Casto Fritz Corry Steven Green James Griffin A.J. Henson Frank Hirst Kenny Hughes Devon Larratt Quinlan Mendez John Milne Nick Moore Andrew Pavlick Jordan Sill Karl Stanley Normund Tomsons Adis Turcinhodzic David Weakland Rysbekov Yeskendir
225 Left (25)
Doug Allen Eric Baldino Marcio Barboza Seth Barnett Rob Bigwood Brian Brandon John Brzenk Cat Castro Josh Eleton Georgi Gelashvili Erick Gerlach Mike Gritti A.J. Henson Kenny Hughes Devon Larratt Hank Meadows Quinlan Mendez Hasan Monfils Tom Nelson Jordan Sill Dickie Spiroff Karl Stanley Normund Tomsons David Weakland Mark Wilson
226+ Right (23)
Mike Ayello Travis Bagent Robert Bishop Ken Blackman Brandon Boudoin Tim Bresnan Robby Burnett Dave Chaffee Casey Coley Luke Eldridge Paul Fischer Christian Kieber Jackie Johnson Devon Larratt Trenton Meyer Blaine Middleton Chad Nofziger Mark Nutsch Josh Reichert Jeff Slater Don Underwood Eric Woelfel Nick Zinna
226+ Left (23)
Travis Bagent Matt Bertrand Christian Binnie Robert Bishop Wilton Brock Dave Chaffee Casey Coley Jeff Dabe Kent Damore Allen Ferreira Kenn Hoban Jackie Johnson Lindley Keating Christian Kieber Devon Larratt Shawn Lattimer Trenton Meyer Mark Nutsch Trapper Saltzman Jeff Slater Robert Topie Don Underwood Eric Woelfel
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Post by Mike Cocchi on Oct 30, 2014 13:11:32 GMT -5
Man those classes are stacked!!
Just to watch the event would be amazing
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 30, 2014 15:32:58 GMT -5
Could be the baddest tournament ever on this continent.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Oct 31, 2014 12:23:13 GMT -5
Tim B again. Can anyone tell me if a puller places 9th and there is a puller ahead of him that has already quallified is he able to go to New Orleans
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Post by Eric Roussin on Oct 31, 2014 13:33:41 GMT -5
That's a good question, and one that has yet to be officially clarified by the WAL. I'm also interested in the answer.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Oct 31, 2014 16:13:27 GMT -5
Tim B again I've got 2 of my training partners that placed 9th in Chig
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Post by Debbie Banaian on Nov 1, 2014 11:36:41 GMT -5
A partial list of Right Hand Women
Nadiya Wilczyski Sue Fischer Debbie Banaian Deborah Selearis Margie Ciaccio SOphie Oppenheimer Lisa Wolfley Taylor Johnson Kendall Stroud Mary Moder Jodi Pastor Kelly Jean Scanlon
Christina Casto Joyce Boone Anastasia Theodoroupoulus Carolyn Fisher Stephanie Burns Elaine Blik Haya Salameh Beth Dukes Beth Saltzmann Cristina Enevoldson Frances Deshotel Courtney Erdmann Gerrie McGraw Launna Topie Jodi Larratt Kristie Gillean Julie Nutsch Michele Sandifer Dusty Hyde Kimberly Berbrier Kelli Nelson Ashley Brock Sarah Backman Rotunda Beth Salzman Deena Haynes
Left Handed Women
Nadiya Wilcznski Jodi Larratt Debbie Banaian Kelly Jean Scanlon Jodi Pastor Taylor Johnson Mary Moder
Christina Casto Anastasia Theodoroupoulus Sophie Oppenheimer Jodi Larratt Dusty Hyde Sarah Backman Rotunda Deena Haynes Beth Salzman
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Post by Taylor Johnson on Nov 1, 2014 20:26:52 GMT -5
Debbie: This is Taylor Johnson's dad. Unfortunately there is no left handed class for women at New Orleans. This was just released: www.walunderground.com/neworleans-event-details/ I don't see how they can have two tournaments (Chicago and Atlantic City) where women qualified for both right AND left handed classes and not offer a left hand women's class at New Orleans. I emailed them and said (in part): In New Orleans you are paying the guys way more money 8 deep for both hands and the women only get a fraction of that money paid 3 deep for right hand only!!!??
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Post by Alan Berget on Nov 2, 2014 9:14:11 GMT -5
It does suck. But that's the way it is. Think about any professional sport like NBA and wnba. Same deal.
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Post by Debbie Banaian on Nov 2, 2014 13:23:32 GMT -5
We would be in quite a fix if that is how our father's before us thought eh? Women still wouldn't have a vote and white men would be slave owners. Some people are okay with the status quo providing it is good for HIM. Others dare say it sucks, takes their bruises, and try to find ways to make it fair. I am curious which are you?
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Post by Pete & Tim on Nov 2, 2014 17:55:34 GMT -5
Tim B again. If the women want same payouts as men they should show up in bigger. Numbers out of 3 WAL shows you have 8 women qualafied, we had just in AC 31 supers that's more than shiwed at aLl 3 WALs!
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Post by John Milne on Nov 2, 2014 20:15:32 GMT -5
Tim B again. If the women want same payouts as men they should show up in bigger. Numbers out of 3 WAL shows you have 8 women qualafied, we had just in AC 31 supers that's more than shiwed at aLl 3 WALs! Don't try to use logic when arguing with women Tim.
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Post by Debbie Banaian on Nov 2, 2014 21:47:16 GMT -5
Peter,
First of all, we were not invited to the first of the series, second some of the women have dead beat dads and are single mothers AND the payout for first place didn't even pay for the trip. THIRD you should get your facts straight about how many women were there ...
If I had a tournament with 5 women classes right and left, and one mens class I GUARANTEE the doors wouldn't be overflowing with men. It isn't the 1930's and women can EVEN vote. If anyone ever wants to legitimize this sport and make it an Olympic sport then these are the conversations we need to have. So women's #'s aren't great? Then support us and see what happens. Tell us what you need from us and help us instead of making it impossible. Not every female is willing to take her punches from the baboons nor should any of us have to.
As a power lifter (with three world records in the Raw Federation) I have never once felt as if I wasn't supported or wanted or less than ANY other competitor. I love this sport and I appreciate all of the people who work so hard to give all of us the opportunities that we have. BUT I am here to say I deserve no less of a chance than any of you men. Feel free to share your opinion but my suggestion is to first become familiar with the situation for example the promotional material that indicated that the top 8 (PERIOD) would be qualified for New Orleans, without any details about gender. We went to the qualifiers and competed right and some of us left believing we were then qualified to compete in New Orleans.
Having said as much, it is their prerogative to do what they need to do or that which they believe is best for them however understand from where our disappointment comes. We are not seeking something we didn't earn. Regardless of who else showed up to the party, WE DID. I've always been taught you enjoy the company you have and don't fret about the ones you don't.
FYI Peter, I am somehow allowing your bs to offend me. We are talking about women that DID qualify as for yourself or your friends who took 9th?? Se la Vi. Perhaps you ought train harder, you had 8 qualifying positions and couldn't get one?? Tough Luck huh? We thought we had 8 but apparently only had 3 and btw I did qualify.
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Post by Kyle Darby on Nov 2, 2014 23:00:27 GMT -5
Personally I don't have a dog in the fight but if you want to debate I'll be your Huckleberry.
"If I had a tournament with 5 women classes right and left, and one mens class I GUARANTEE the doors wouldn't be overflowing with men." But rest assured the venue wouldn't be packed with eager female competitors either so the analogy is kind of mute. From a historical stand point even though athletes have physically improved and payouts and support have increased women's participation has declined. It wasn't uncommon to have 20+ women in a class at Peteluma from my understanding. As a promoter you have to treat tournaments like a business and appeal to the markets to get the best return on your investment. It's not sexist or discrimination it's business 101. Further if it was about equality people would be advocating for children or handicap athletes as well. Any argument the could be made for women could be made for those groups as well. It's a business and NO armwrestler is bringing in more than they spend in the United States. If I own Rue 21 I'm not gonna build a store by a senior center if I could build the same store nect to a college just saying. It's all about being realistic.
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Post by Debbie Banaian on Nov 3, 2014 4:12:20 GMT -5
Hi Kyle,
Thanks for taking the time to respond considering you "don't have a dog in the fight." You have an excellent argument but if I were a good business person I wouldn't look at history but at modern trends. Back in the golden days as you describe of 20 women, let's paint a picture as I understand it by the women in the sport or that were in the sport. Women often still had one at best two weight classes and usually one winner to the males three winners. As I understand they had to fight just to be there. Going back to your analogy that is an insane business proposition because now you are not only in a senior development trying to operate a Rue but you are open from 7 AM until 8 AM in the morning to discourage your target audience and STILL you have sales albeit not great sales. Who would do this? Why is it being done? What needs to happen is I need to win the lottery and have a league, an environment marketed to women and men. Not an environment in which competitors are barely tolerated and are "allowed" but one intended to succeed and promote success The second area I see where I'm not certain we are comparing apples to apples is the event itself. We are talking NOW about making money and not a local feel good event where competitors are looking to fund raise or break even, or at least one which the goal is as much about making money as it is to arm wrestle. For the record, I am NOT suggesting it is a bad thing to make a living doing something enjoyable, and in fact I support it when done whole-heartedly. I just don't know the business model is the same as it was during those "more" Golden years.
The women I speak to from those golden days and after always speak of this constant battle to belong to an amazing sport. Most opted for an early retirement when the battle just wore them out. A few are still around, none that I know of that still compete but participate and contribute in an equally important manner. I would say that most of the women I speak to who left the sport, left because they never felt supported. Those are the people who I would speak to if I were that business man. In my few years in the sport I know how much I've had to beg, borrow, and steal to have competitors and promoters willing to give women the time to arm wrestle. I know tournaments that didn't promote a women s class at all and their response when asked was "well if they show up we will have one." this does not scream WELCOME and still we persist. I don't have any idea what it is like at Worlds but I know several women who have competed there and never have I heard that same bitter story. This does not mean it wasn't the same at those events but it has me wondering if it is our culture, oddly enough considering we are the model of democracy and forward thinkers running to the rescue of foreign inequality. Can this be a reason we have not hosted Worlds (or have we?) The following argument is from my husband (brand new to the competitive side of the sport with only a single but very successful tournament under his belt)
Dean Banaian: Whether money is the issue for you or just being treated like a legitimate part of the competition, the WAL’s handling of this looks to undermine either agenda. You need high quality competition to make participation and winning meaningful. If you want to have a chance at big payouts you need cultivate a competitive environment that will entice other badass women to compete in the sport. Winning on the table has to garner some status. Right now that status appears to be that of an afterthought based on the way the entire women’s division advancement to the finals was handled. Take a look at the UFC, Dana White wanted nothing to do with the women’s division either until he woke up, reversed course and an Olympic Judo Bronze medalist came over to MMA rather than returning to the Olympics for a chance at Gold. Now that woman is a HUGE star and a cash-cow for the UFC. Really short-sighted of the WAL not to see the upside of investing a little more effort and resources in the women’s division. Nobody is going to turn out in huge numbers to compete, let alone change sports to get ignored by this sport.
With the hope of not sounding patronizing I seriously appreciate your willingness to converse intelligently regarding women in arm wrestling.
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