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Post by Bill Maenza on Mar 19, 2005 12:18:30 GMT -5
Christian, You are right about golddigger not being the right term, yours is better! It is terrible, but you are right about death row inmates. I don't think that he can take the money without showing the world what a piece of garbage he is. It would just show that he really isn't in it for her... Bill
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 19, 2005 18:33:54 GMT -5
its rather disturbing.
Chris,
your right it is a sign of the end times and bible prophecy that men will cease to love properly and have no compassion. Of course we see this all through time but it is so much worse in the past 40-60 years.
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Post by Steven Lareau on Mar 21, 2005 1:18:29 GMT -5
This does sound pretty awful. What reason does the husband give for allowing her to die? Sorry, I really don't know.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 21, 2005 10:51:24 GMT -5
The husband says that they had a talk, and she told him that if she was ever in a "vegatative" state, or brain dead, that she would rather have him pull the plug, BUT there is no living will. Also being her husband, he is her legal guardian.
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Post by Steven Lareau on Mar 21, 2005 14:12:12 GMT -5
Thank you for the clarification, Christian.
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Post by Ron Bath on Mar 21, 2005 15:15:22 GMT -5
I'm going to play the other side of this arguement. First this lady definatly needs our prayers, along with those on both sides. Those of us who are married have had how many lone discussions with our spouse? I know I have. I also have a living will. What is your thought of being alive or existing? The media has the ability to play any side of this they like. Along with the couple of minutes of tape we see, there are hours that are not seen. according to reports I heard last night. If the husband is doing this for the money, why didn't he take the offers by others then and leave. 15 years of doctors and lawyers. There can't be much of any insurance left. Which one of us would actually like to exist like this if we were in this state? If my wife or any Govt. politician or judge forces me to live like that for any length of time. When I did pass I would haunt them for the rest of there existance. A family never wants to let a loved one go. Though sometimes we should. Is it gods will she is still here or the technology of man. As far as the husband having another relationship. I would hope my wife would continue some form of life. I don't know all the facts of this, as do neither of you. Unless you have direct contact with Terry. I am definately not into torturing anyone either. So which is more torture Terry existing or her dying. My main concern of this, is this country always comes up on the short end when we let more government into our house. I don't beleive this was or is a place for politicians. Trust me their only concerns on this is for there vote count next election. Remember this has been infront of numerous judges, 19 from what I heard today and more times then not in favor of the husband.
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Post by simon on Mar 21, 2005 15:46:40 GMT -5
I am pro right to die, I truly believe at any time under the proper medical circumstances ( I know that is a bit vague ) a person should be allowed to choose to die rather than live in a significantly limited state or suffer from horrific pain and or hardship. Certainly starving to death is not appropriate.
I would not want to continue in that state, nor would I expect my wife and children to endure caring for me or feel obligated because I existed in such a state. At this point if it is true that there is nothing clearly detailing the fact that it was not her wishes to be kept alive, well I find that unfortunate but I do not see any reason not to simply award care of the woman to her parents to do as they see fit. Congress has absolutely no business being involved in this matter.
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Post by Andy Souliere on Mar 21, 2005 15:52:52 GMT -5
What is this world coming to. She has rights, and they should be honored. My wife is a nurse in a nursing home, and there are many men and women in there who cannot eat by themselves and are so far off that they need someone to bathe them, feed them, roll them over every two hours so that they don't get bed sores. Some of the stories that she tells me about some of the elderly people there just scares me about getting older. Well, they don't stop feeding them, they don't stop caring for them. When they die, it is because it is their time. So, all I can do is pray for that lady. Yes I will also pray for her husband, because he needs some help.
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Post by Christ Russakis on Mar 21, 2005 16:02:43 GMT -5
wow!!! i agree with ron and simon. this can,t go on for ever!!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 21, 2005 16:15:34 GMT -5
We do need to pray for the right thing to be done. I can see both sides of it. and rons right when i read he turned down 10 mil its kinda hard for me to believe he is in it for the money.
Personally i think she needs to be properly cared for. what is "properly cared for"? i couldnt tell you. im sure there are more stories like this all over the world. I dont know how bad off she is though.
Id say let the parents and husband come together and make a mutual decision. The government has no right to say anything. I agree with that. BUT they shouldnt just let her starve to death. they need to feed her and let God do his thing. Leave the life and death up to him.
its really a confusing situation. i pray im never in the midst of that kind of predicament.
Its defenitly something we should all sit back and praise God for, that we are not in either shoe, the wife or the husband. Praise God for your health.
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Post by Steven Lareau on Mar 21, 2005 17:01:52 GMT -5
I guess my concern is this: If it is right for her to die, is it justified to starve her to death? Personally I can think of dozens of other ways that I would prefer to die by.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Mar 21, 2005 17:04:04 GMT -5
Christ, Ron & Simon, Though I respect your opinions, I think you are way off base in this one. There are not any extraordinary efforts keeping her alive. She may well have a DNR in place. Depriving a person of food & drink until they starve to death is cruel.
Ron - yes, he has been offered a lot of money. How would his "moral" battle for Terry look if he said, sure I'll take the money? It would prove that it is not about Terry, but about him. Is it political? Politicians will make everything political! They are as bad as the husbands in most cases. Yes, I do agree that some are playing cards here.
Simon - I would also want my wife to move on. However, I would hope she would not starve me to death so that she could though!
Christ - I ope you are right. No one wants this to go on any longer. God Bless, Bill
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 21, 2005 17:13:57 GMT -5
I dont think starving her is right. this is a human life. She should be treated as such. She needs to be fed and like i said let God do his thing.
"till death do us part" "in sickness and in health"
I guess These phrases between a man and a woman are exempt when it actually comes into play.
She is sick and she aint dead.
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Post by gambit on Mar 21, 2005 17:23:59 GMT -5
I can certainly see both sides here. One being the parents do not want their little girl to leave them, second, the question whether or not it was her wish to never be in this condition (Of course there are many more factors to this, but these are the arguements). I think the husband should allow the parents guardianship of Terry, but will it only prolong her suffering?
I would NOT want to be in this state (Take note Nancy!). I would not want to be allow to starve to death. I do not want to waste away in any capacity, so please do ME a favor and help me get to the good Lord quicker. (I make no jokes about this, so please do not see comedy in this)
This is my personal opinion, if they are to let her die, and there is no hope for her rehabilitation, I say let Dr. Kavorkian do one more act of mercy...for Terry Shiavo's sake.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 21, 2005 18:24:23 GMT -5
are you implying assisted suicide?
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