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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 25, 2005 13:03:52 GMT -5
It wasnt a contradiction. Study your bible a lil more and you will learn these things. Luther didnt change the scripture. Yes he added Alone. But that didnt change the scripture. It was not adding or taking away from the message that Christ taught to Paul. Or to the other Apostles. Oh im sorry i said you should study your bible. I know your man made traditions have more authority
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Post by Bill Maenza on Mar 25, 2005 13:14:54 GMT -5
Ahh yes, the all knowledgeable Ryan has spoken. I admit that I don't study as much as you. But know this, I know more of the truth than you ever will little man.
Yes, my rocket scientist friend, Luther did change the bible. But as usual, you are too shallow and ignorant to admit that you are caught up in your misconceptions.
RT - I know your man made traditions have more authority WM - Oh you have hurt me. Speaking of things you know nothing about as usual. Why don't you climb back under your rock where you and your little group study. You are a joke. You claim to be a follower, you are a 22 year old know-it-all who does not know jack. I am embarassed that you call yourself a christian.
Get a life.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 25, 2005 13:15:42 GMT -5
Ryan: PLEASE! I'm sure all this "translaters" ALL must have been proficient in Hebrew or Aramaic...COME ON....GOD!!! So no one put their " own " words or spin to words or phrases that they DIDN"T quite understand? When do you WAKE UP!
So Luther added " alone " ADDED, to renforce what Paul was teaching? WHY? HELLOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 25, 2005 13:23:06 GMT -5
Becuase the Roman Catholic church was adding man made traditions to opress the people and this was clearly against the scripture. Again i appreciate you encouragment and edification Bill Why make such a fuss over Luther adding "alone" (which does not contradict scripture, it does not add or take away) when the Roman Catholic church added their "traditions" to the authority of the church and their paganistic practices, during the reign of Constanine. "Ahh yes, the all knowledgeable Ryan has spoken. I admit that I don't study as much as you. But know this, I know more of the truth than you ever will little man." that was deep and your "knowledge of truth" is very evident
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 25, 2005 13:23:32 GMT -5
Im sorry Bill. Lets cut back on the insults
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 25, 2005 13:27:13 GMT -5
Do you know where these come from?
Rosary ?
The "Halo" as depicted in many paintings
The worship of Mary (oh im sorry the veneration)
There are so many more things.
But I know you have more truth please "enlighten" me
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Post by Bill Maenza on Mar 25, 2005 13:28:13 GMT -5
Why would I or should I encourage you? You have managed to offend everyone that you have come in contact with. You have made people like Engin leave the board, you have offended the Mason's and their families, all Catholics and just about everybody with different views than you.
I'll tell you though, I sure wish that I was as all knowing at 22 like you! I am sure that you and your soap box of inconsistencies and hipocracies will have a long enjoyable life together.
Thank you for being you Ryan! People like you are are sanctifying.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 25, 2005 13:56:46 GMT -5
Jesus never called Mary Mother.....why?
Where does the term "Mother of God" come from?
Mary is not the mother of God she is the mother of the incarnate body of Jesus.
If Mary was immaculatly concieved why does she call God Savior? if she had no sin or destination to be saved from?
Why does Paul say this to Peter. If Peter had more authority than Paul (being as he was the pope) But the idea of Peter being the Pope was never mentioned. Why is that?
10. Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. 11. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Peter accepted this rebuke.
Did you know the doctrine of the assumption of mary wasnt rattified until 1950?
the rosary wasnt added until 1090, it came from eastern religion such as buhhdism.
1870 the doctrine of the popes infallibility
593 the begining of the teachings of purgatory wasnt made a law until 1545
the 3rd century the doctrine of the veneration of relics.
1854 the doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary
431 the title "Mother of God" was given to Mary The concept of "Mother of God' comes from babylon.
in 1300 mary became the source of grace and power and a mediator
1962 Vatican II calls Mary the "new Eve which brings life"
1997 there was a new petition fr a new doctrien to reaffirm mar as co-redemptrist. mediatrix of all graces and an advocate for men (It was shot down because of the wording)
1996 Pope John Paul II claims mary was sinless from her birth and without sin for the rest of her life.
1215 the doctrine of transubstantiation
1562 indulgences (payment for forgiveness) was determined unlawful (this was a result of the reformation)
1998 Pope John Paul II says that christian, muslims and other non-christians can get to heaven without the saving grace of Christ
Now im being me ;D
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 25, 2005 13:59:10 GMT -5
I was posting my verse studies on here, in an attempt to be less controversial. But like i said before people the simple breaking down of scripture is offensive to the "religous" people. Cant please everyone. Oh Well
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Post by Bill Maenza on Mar 25, 2005 14:02:52 GMT -5
I know you are being you. It really is sad that it is who you are.
I could sit and go over everyone of your points, but it would be fruitless as usual. You have never been wrong, nor will you ever be. There have been countless emails going over points that you refuse to understand. I guess that is part of being an egomaniac.
You are the king of copy and paste. Congratulations. When will you learn to use your own words and thoughts? You are no more than a seat cusion...you have the impression of who ever was there last.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 25, 2005 14:05:52 GMT -5
Those were my own words Bill im sorry im an egomaniac. You know how i love it when people hate me.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Mar 25, 2005 14:13:18 GMT -5
LOL, I guess. Whatever gets you through!
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