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Post by josephsirois on Jul 5, 2005 17:31:19 GMT -5
Also before inventing both Dianetics/Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard was a science ficton author.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 5, 2005 18:41:33 GMT -5
right.
he was a science fiction author that decided to make his own religion.
how stupid can people be to believe it?
its one thing to look at it as fiction but to know its not reall and still believe it. thats dumb.
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Post by josephsirois on Jul 5, 2005 18:48:33 GMT -5
Ryan, I think it's a little different than pure stupidity, I think it's actual brainwashing. From my experience in Dianetics, I truly believe it can make people more susceptible to just about anything as it can leave you mind in a semi-hypnotic state.
There are reasons they don't tell people things up front, as with a sound mind they are far less likely to believe them.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 6, 2005 17:08:05 GMT -5
perhaps i was a lil harsh.
its deception. the objective of deception is that you dont know that you are decieved.
Brainwashing? defenitly!
Manipulation, deception, brainwashing. al practices of withcraft.
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 9, 2005 13:12:20 GMT -5
Ryan,
There you go with your anti-mormon stuff again!
Knock it off, I thought you were going to be positive from now on!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 10, 2005 11:53:30 GMT -5
it is positive. its positive that some people can see the error in the ridiculous stories told by false religions such as scientology.
its positive the jesus christ can expose the error. Tho with scientology it isnt hard to do obviously.
it is positive that Jesus Christ fulfilled the covenant promised to abraham. a covenant between The Father and Christ, because man cannot fullfill it it anyway.
There is one mediater between God and man he is the man, Christ Jesus. No other false prophet.
You can tell a false prophet when they uplift man and degrade Christ. This is the number one sign of a false prophet.
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 12, 2005 14:05:57 GMT -5
Ryan,
I agree with you statements about Jesus Christ, but you don't see me on this board making negative remarks about others beliefs and I am that way because I am trying to follow the example of my savior Jesus Christ. Showing love has something to do with that.
I believe we have the right to believe as our conscience dictates and I grant that right to others. That doesn't say that I don't believe in witnessing in a positive manner and striving to make others lives better. In fact I spent two years in Chile at my own expense to witness and spread the Gospel.
I also grant you your right to believe the way you want. I won't get on this board and take childish pot shots at your beliefs because of something I consider very important, respect for others. If you ever want to sit down one on one and discuss religion I would be happy to. But I will not argue with you, lack of brotherly love is not of Jesus Christ.
Many have gotten on this board to tell you, to more or less get rid of the anger and the childish self rightous morally superior attitude of I am right and everyone else who doesn't agree with me is wrong. I hope one day you grow up, mature and realize you are doing more harm than good in your quest to preach the gospel, because of your attitude.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 12, 2005 15:10:49 GMT -5
what attitude?
If i believe what i believe and i have the right to as you agree. Then what i believe is that Joseph Smith is a false prophet who was more into witchcraft and satanism than he was into Christ. Now if i believe that what kind of love would i be showing you if i didnt speak that.
i never meant that fact to come across and an attack in the first place, along time ago. but naturaly you would get offeneded and understandably so.
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 12, 2005 18:23:34 GMT -5
I expected my request to fall on deaf ears and you have proved my point!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 13, 2005 16:57:07 GMT -5
i heard ya my statments are obviously falling on deaf ears
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 13, 2005 21:19:54 GMT -5
Ryan,
One of the things you pointed to at Mormons was the Pentagram and that we worshiped satan because Pentagrams are on the temple. That is a very simplistist view. If you truely do your research on Pentagrams you will find that they were and are a christian symbol for "the five wounds of Christ" and go back to at least King Solomons Temple that is refered to in the Bible.
The Pentagram had come to represent many things and has been used by many groups. Because of this you can not take an overly simplistist view and say everyone that uses a Pentagram follows satan. In fact, satan's followers took a good symbol and begain using it as their own in order to confuse, ie turn good things into something that people thought of as bad.
If you truely want to understand what anyone believes ask them, don't go to an anti- source and please show some repect for others.
Here is some info from the internet that you might find of interest. Of course you can always do your own search.
Solomonic texts gave great importance to the pentagram, under the name "Solomon's seal." Gershom Scholem writes, "In Arabic magick, the 'seal of Solomon' was widely used, but at first its use in Jewish circles was restricted to relatively rare cases. Even then, the hexagram and pentagram were easily interchangeable and the name was applied to both figures." Scholem notes that Byzantine tradition as early as the sixth century identified Solomon's seal particularly with the hexagram, later known as the shield or star of David.
In the West, however, Solomon's seal was almost a pentagram. Latin versions of Solomonic texts, for example, used the word "pentaculum" to refer to all the various circular devices associated with Solomon's seal, even though most of them do not actually contain a pentagram. This usage is usually reflected in English translation by the word "pentacle" or "pantacle," as for example in the Clavicula Salomonis translated and published by S. Lidell MacGregor Mathers in 1889 as The Key of Solomon the King.
One of the most interesting things that I discovered in the course of my investigations is that the pentagram of Solomon's seal, at least in the West, probably derived directly from the Neo-Pythagorean pentagram symbolizing health. The Latin phrase commonly translated as "seal of Solomon" is actually "salus Salomonis," or literally "health of Solomon." The word salus, meaning health and corresponding to the Greek ygieia, was specifically used in the Neo-Pythagorean tradition to signify a pentagram. I suspect that the alliterative similarity of salus and Salomon played a part in transforming "salus Pythagorae" to "salus Salomonis."
The first English mention of a pentagram appears quite unexpectedly around 1380, when the anonymous author of Gawain and the Grene Knight gave Gawain, traditionally the Celtic sun-hero, a shield "that was bright red with a pentangle of pure gold color painted on it." Almost 50 lines are devoted to this hitherto unknown heraldic device. Interestingly, the pentagram is immediately identified as Solomon's: "It is a sign that Solomon set once/ To betoken truth, by the title that it has,/ For it is a figure with five points,/ And each line overlaps and locks in another,/ And everywhere it is endless, and the English all call it,/ I hear, the Endless Knot." The author invokes in the pentacle the five wits, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ, the five pure joys of Heaven's queen with her child and the five virtues generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy and mercy. The origin of this Solomonic pentagram has puzzled scholars for some time. Henry Lyttleton Savage, in The GAWAIN-Poet, suggests quite plausibly that the short-lived French Order of the Star was a source for this symbol, and in company with Tolkien and others, he notes that Freemasons honor the pentagram as Solomon's seal. Looming behind both the Order of the Star and the Masons, however, stands the Order of the Temple of Solomon, the Knights Templar, founded in 1119 and suppressed by Phillip the Fair of France and Pope Clement V between 1307 and 1314. Founded to rebuild the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, the Templars regarded Solomon's seal as an emblem of their order, both in its Western pentagram form and in its Eastern hexagram form. John J. Robinson in his book Born in Blood convincingly argues that the powerful organization of the Templars went underground, particularly in England and Scotland, to form what became over time the society of Freemasons. As Freemasons, they did more than anyone else over the centuries to make the pentagram a familiar symbol.
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 13, 2005 21:26:23 GMT -5
By the way, your words have not fallen on deaf ears, I hear you, but I am amazed at you simplistic view and lack of understanding. Because of this you must feel it is ok to lash out at those who you feel do not believe as you.
I believe in and follow Jesus Christ. I do not follow satan nor do members of the Christ of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 13, 2005 21:35:14 GMT -5
I could also go to an anti-born again site like www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/and guote all kinds of negitve stuff and say I was being positive because I was trying to help you see the error of you ways. But I would prefer to point out positive things about my religion if I were to try and explain what I believe to someone who really wanted to know. I wouldn't be very effective or successful if I spent all my time trying to prove you wrong or did a mass broadcast like you have on this site. It has grown old for many of us.
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 13, 2005 21:39:52 GMT -5
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jul 13, 2005 21:42:56 GMT -5
Or maybe I should give you a few sites from even other religions about born agains? Don't think you want to see the Mormon site! But you see I am trying to show you the error of you ways with love! Has it gotten old yet?
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