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Post by enginterzi on Jan 19, 2006 16:51:19 GMT -5
Ryan,
all 7 Churches of Asia that are mentioned in Bible are in Turkey.we Turks have entered Anotolia in 11.century but the Churches are from the time of Christ.every year millions of Christians visit Turkey to see roots of their Faiths.i have been in a few churches in istanbul,but i sure would like to guide you about your visitations to churches.in fact a professional guider would be better for you because they have tours for the Christians to visit religious places.they could inform you about the history of their past.you would feel secure here more than i feel secure in USA for sure (as i have been punched by people in Chicago during the Iraqy war because of being a Muslim).
anyways,i am sure that you are curious about the roots of your faith.there are many churches that had been built in caves during the byzantium times by Christians who were afraid to get killed by other Christians who believed in Christ in different way.very very interesting things.also the city Nicea is an hour far from where i live.im sure that you have heard about the Nicean Councils and emperor Constantine in early centuries.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 19, 2006 17:02:28 GMT -5
by the way,those Churches are mostly from the time that is before we have entered the Anotolia.the picture are shown for the historical reasons.there are so many modern churches in Turkey too.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jan 19, 2006 18:08:14 GMT -5
what is anotolia?
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Post by Edwin Safarian on Jan 19, 2006 21:31:43 GMT -5
Nobody ever said that there arent any churches in Turkey. However there are pictures of Armenian Churches before they were completely destroyed during the early 1900's. Of course they have built new ones, thank goodness, the world isnt that far gone, thanks to all eyes watching that area. O and Engin, I truly don't know of the details between the Azeri's and the Armenians, as I have just recently seen your psots (but dont want to respond there because it annoy's people). All I know is that that soil is Armenian soil, proven by the 400 year old cemetary that has been there, and for the Armenian population that lives there. After WW2, Stalin gave that land to Azerbaijan, and this land is 90% Armenian, so naturaly when the armo's there are being persecuted, Armenia is going to want it's land back after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I will do my research on that matter some other time, but keep in mind that I was dicussing the Genocide with you, and you changed the subject to the Nagaro-Karabagh war between Armenia and Azeri's. You sent pictures of Azeri's there, and I can show you pictures pof raped Armenian women there, and men who have had their balls cut off and beheaded by sick twisted Azeri's. It's called war, and I don't like it any much more than you do, but be fair to both sides. I should also add that an Azerbaijiani general FLAT OUT STATED to the public, that in a number of years Armenia will not exist. Now this is a flat out threat to the people, and it shows the animocity of the Azeri gov.
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Post by Matl'e McDaniel on Jan 21, 2006 15:06:15 GMT -5
Edwin this is called Self Divination via genecide. All three of us are of current or fresh euro blood and am sure that all of us have been affected in some way or another, by these terrible wars were god is somehow on both sides. I for one and very sad that my blood would even sacrifice a single soul in the efforts to stand tall. I am a proud jew by blood, from both parents, both russian jews, one of light skinned, and the other of dark skin. Though they are both jew, one is looked at differently by both sides of the jewish community. This is how the world is, always divided over something. In fact just last week, my girldriends daughters' friend was not aloud to come over, because of the fact that her parents are jews also, but we did not practice our faith well enough, because we had non jews in our household, being my girlfriends sister. I laugh at that even though I could have started a little war on the block, but I did not. I see the world as this....... I love god, no matter if I am jewish, or I'm christian, either way the lord will love me, for I seek his love through all faccets. His love is not what creates war. War is created by the misunderstanding of his word. Jesus had no army at his right hand, and no sword at his left. Yet he still fought. He fought with his heart and his sacrifices. I hope that we all would see that, before its to late. Do not forget the lips are to the trumphet.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 21, 2006 15:16:51 GMT -5
hello Matl'e, i had to say that i agree with your words.i was offended by Edwin's words and i have offended too,which i should not have done and that's why i have deleted all of my posts.there are times that i know what i should do but i cant control my anger.because of my poor English i didnt understand the word"Self Divination ",can you please explain what that means?thank you very much!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jan 21, 2006 16:02:57 GMT -5
All three of us are of current or fresh euro blood and am sure that all of us have been affected in some way or another, by these terrible wars were god is somehow on both sides. . Jesus had no army at his right hand, and no sword at his left. Yet he still fought. He fought with his heart and his sacrifices. . Joshua 5:13-14 13. And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14. And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, In this scripture occurs what scholars call a "theophany" and old testament appearance of Christ. We know this is God how? Because we dont see where the man told him not to worship him. In other situations where angels appear to men and the men bow to worship the angels rebuke them and command them not to worship them. Angels are soldiers who protect the glory of God and refuse the worship of man for Gods sake. In this story the "captian of the lord of the host" is the title givin to the man and given that the Joshua was not rebuked for worship we can see old testament evidence of the trinity. The statement "Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, "Nay;" Shows to the world that God is not behind war for the advancment of any specific civilzation, as we see through the bible that God showed much mavor the the jew and at times allowed arabs or other civilizations to cease jerusalem, he was not there to give glory to either of the civilizations but for the Glory of God alone. So that all man kind may enjoy that which is worthy of praise. The glory of the Lord, made accesible through Christ. God will fight to protect his glory. And he doesnt need us for. But for his glory he will use us in certain times.
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