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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 21, 2006 17:00:05 GMT -5
there two other thread with this answer that i started a long time ago.......
so i will just copy and paste what i wrote
People ask me that question all the time.
Where did God come from? There arguement is generaly, "if everything that is created has a creation then who or what created God?"
The answer to that is that God was not "created" he always was.
He is the creator of creation.
He was before the creation.
He declares that his name is I AM. and that he is, was and always will be.
Think about this.....God Knows who he is. He has never had to question who he is. hes never doubted who he is. He has never looked his name up in the book of names to see were it came from and what it meant
If your God and you dont know that your God, Then your not God. If your God and you doubt that you are God that then would disqualify you from being God.
If God was created buy someone else wouldnt that then disqualify God from being God? and the creator of God would be the one we would worship. And he would be God and then you have to ask the question all over again of where did that god come from if the other god was created by another god and yada yada yada. and that propulsion would conlude there is no god.
But, becuase God is Holy and there is none like him he is incomparable in everyway. There can not be another god to create him. he would then not be incomparable.
God is unique in that he is set apart from everything else. in a class of his own you can't describe God like you can a rabbit "small" "furry" "mamal" 'long ears". You cant do that with God becuase he is in a class of his own there in none like him.
Some might say you look at man and there are characteristics of god in man , and there are, but the problem with that is that you dont define God, God defines you.
Where did God come from?
He always was, is and always will be. He created the creation. He is God and he knows it.
If you, like everyone else I talk to, respond to this answer again with the same question. Then you are not using your brain and you are only trying to be smarter than God and it cant be done
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Post by simon on Mar 21, 2006 17:02:34 GMT -5
there are many things that we cant do but the animals do too,so if we are the uppest graded result of evolution so why are we not better than the rest about everything? All creatures have altered in a fashion suited to their enviroment and building upon how they changed thus far, our use of our hands, tools, our upright posture, and our mental capacity took us down the path most suited for us, we are better than all creatures as clearly we are the top of the food chain. If someone wanted to they could say this was gods design all along.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 21, 2006 17:22:52 GMT -5
lol because they arent millions of years old. ;D
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Post by Ty Kissner on Mar 21, 2006 17:27:22 GMT -5
Are the fossils false Engin or do individuals not willing to believe in fossils percieve them to Be..i would suspect the Latter. Through Carbon dating we were able to find Remnants that tell people the world was around along time before religion claims God created the earth.
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Post by simon on Mar 21, 2006 17:27:34 GMT -5
just tell me one thing Simon, where are the fossils of the billions of the creatures who lived and died during the evolution while they were right between the two kinds of creatures? or are you telling me that evolution happened only on the certain creatures but forgot or missed the some kinds??? There are so many posts we are a little out of sync. We don't have all the fossils because as Ryan indicated not everything that dies becomes a fossil, decay claims most creatures, it takes a very particular set of circumstances for something to fossilize. Considering that we continually find new creatures everyday, it is not unthinkable that we have not found the mid sized Giraffe yet, there are infinite possibilities around this subject. I would not say missed, those that could evolve properly did, those that could excel at evolution outpaced the others and those that could not died off. Creatures become extinct on this planet every day we don't kill them all directly, they fail to evolve with the ever changing environment, and they die, then they get eaten by predators or scavengers and there you have it they are gone.. it is not hard to fathom that their remains never mange to find the proper circumstance to not be eaten and then become a fossil. I hate to say this but we continually keep discussing and discrediting the existing scientific evidence that support a more physical and developmental beginning to man, yet divine creation has 0 tangible proof to substantiate it. I want to address the point of humans ability to evolve and really nothing more, but it is odd for anyone to ask me where the fossil of the mid sized Giraffe is to substantiate my point when there is no such similar evidence to support the counter.
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Post by simon on Mar 21, 2006 17:40:44 GMT -5
there two other thread with this answer that i started a long time ago....... so i will just copy and paste what i wrote People ask me that question all the time. Where did God come from? There arguement is generaly, "if everything that is created has a creation then who or what created God?" The answer to that is that God was not "created" he always was. He is the creator of creation. He was before the creation. He declares that his name is I AM. and that he is, was and always will be. Think about this.....God Knows who he is. He has never had to question who he is. hes never doubted who he is. He has never looked his name up in the book of names to see were it came from and what it meant If your God and you dont know that your God, Then your not God. If your God and you doubt that you are God that then would disqualify you from being God. If God was created buy someone else wouldnt that then disqualify God from being God? and the creator of God would be the one we would worship. And he would be God and then you have to ask the question all over again of where did that god come from if the other god was created by another god and yada yada yada. and that propulsion would conlude there is no god. But, becuase God is Holy and there is none like him he is incomparable in everyway. There can not be another god to create him. he would then not be incomparable. God is unique in that he is set apart from everything else. in a class of his own you can't describe God like you can a rabbit "small" "furry" "mamal" 'long ears". You cant do that with God becuase he is in a class of his own there in none like him. Some might say you look at man and there are characteristics of god in man , and there are, but the problem with that is that you dont define God, God defines you. Where did God come from? He always was, is and always will be. He created the creation. He is God and he knows it. If you, like everyone else I talk to, respond to this answer again with the same question. Then you are not using your brain and you are only trying to be smarter than God and it cant be done Is this a reply to me Ryan because I still do not see how you explain the fact that humans by region look so physically different to each other but the same to one another.
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Post by simon on Mar 21, 2006 17:43:17 GMT -5
how come they have found the fossiles millions of years old and have the exact same genetics with their kinds of today? I am not sure what you are saying here, can you clear up for me "exact same genetics" If you are asking why creatures from a million years ago have a similar genetic make up as creatures now, well that is because the current creatures have evolved from those earlier creatures, hence a similar genetic make up.
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Post by simon on Mar 21, 2006 17:59:56 GMT -5
the difference of the looks between the races are totally the results of where they live.we,Turks came from middle asia long time ago and if you there now and find the rest of our race you will see people looks a little like chinese people but noe here in our land that is far away from the middle asia we look so much different than our own roots. . Simon this is the reason,climate.but this does not mean that we came from monkeys just because of a few false fossiles. OK we are getting there lets go back to the definition of Evolution. Evolution: A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. a. The process of developing. b. Gradual development Adapting to the weather or climate would be me moving to Minnesota and being OK because I started wearing more clothes and battery operated socks, that is adapting, Evolving to the weather or the climate involves a physical, biological change to the human form predicated upon the need to adapt to external forces or as a result of the external forces. Engin your statement proves my point that humans can and do evolve, their physical make up has changed over an extended period of time due to the external forces of their environment and further that their offspring continue to carry those physical traits that were caused by this evolution. Forget the monkeys this above is the point I was trying to get to, humans have evolved, they have physically changed over time even just a little in the most superficial manner, can we agree upon that?
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Post by simon on Mar 21, 2006 18:02:01 GMT -5
I am not sure what you are saying here, can you clear up for me "exact same genetics" If you are asking why creatures from a million years ago have a similar genetic make up as creatures now, well that is because the current creatures have evolved from those earlier creatures, hence a similar genetic make up. sorry,not similar,the exact! Not exact to say that two different creatures have the exact same genetic make up means you could not tell a T Rex from a house cat.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 21, 2006 18:17:55 GMT -5
lol no simon that was a response to your left over braincells, ty
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Post by CHARLES WARMACK on Mar 21, 2006 23:47:49 GMT -5
Engin, they did map the DNA of a chimpanzee, and compare it to human DNA. It is 99.8% similar to ours. This is not theory, it is a proven fact that has been duplicated several times in many different labs worldwide. Check up on it.
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Post by CHARLES WARMACK on Mar 22, 2006 0:46:05 GMT -5
I clicked on the link and only had to read the first sentence, that their study "suggests" that the genome mapping in inaccurate. Not that it is proven. Like I said, find me some "proof" that it is wrong, not someone saying it "might" be wrong.
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Post by CHARLES WARMACK on Mar 22, 2006 0:51:33 GMT -5
These findings indicate that even if all of the human genes were different from those of a chimpanzee, the DNA still could be 98.5 percent similar if the “junk” DNA of humans and chimpanzees were identical.
By the way, I took that from one of your own articles.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 22, 2006 1:00:06 GMT -5
there is absolutley no proof that evolution exsists........there is only theory.....theory that has been denounced by many theorist...
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Post by CHARLES WARMACK on Mar 22, 2006 2:18:08 GMT -5
OMG!!!!!!!! I think we hit the jackpot. 5 pages later and we have all of it in a nutshell. I did say about 3 pages ago that it was a theory. See, that's why I love debating with Ryan. He is a smart guy, and always gives me a different perspective to look at. That's not a jab by the way, I'm being serious.
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