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Post by gambit on Mar 30, 2006 16:46:58 GMT -5
Where did Ryan go? He started this...that...that...troublemaker!!
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Post by John Parton on Mar 31, 2006 19:20:58 GMT -5
I want to say with all due respect Ty that even though some waiver, many of us do not. I believe that nothing is more logical that following the Lord. That certainly does not take away from your right to choose or reject Him. The things I wrote about the myth of evolution, are science and mathematics. It doesn't take any genious to seen where our country has gone since the foudation of the Ten Commandments no longer rules it. When I was young we weren't killing each other in the streets, without remorse or regret. There were no metal detectors in our schools, bars on our windows. People says I'm nuts for serving the Lord, but I lived that other life and all that goes with it, and I can surely say that that was a crazy waste of my time. Since we as a country have stopped serving God we have started trying to play god, inflicting our values on other cultures. We act as if democracy will bring salvation, and wonder why the countries we invade hate us. We shuddered with fury when we received the attack of 9/11, forgetting the many times we have went in and laid waste the cities and towns of other peoples without remorse, saying we did it to save them. This is what happens every time man thinks he is the highest life form. This is not the first time history came to this place, but the outcome has been the same every time. Even the church has not been exempt from this, but that happens when religion becomes about power and politics, and not about following God. I want you to know that I think no less or differently about you (I only know you through this board), but for me this old quote rings true "For those who believe no explanation is necessary, for those who don't believe no explanation is possible.
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Post by gambit on Mar 31, 2006 20:59:31 GMT -5
"For those who believe no explanation is necessary, for those who don't believe no explanation is possible." That's exactly what I was trying to tell Ryan the other day !!!!!! Thank you John!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 31, 2006 21:24:27 GMT -5
Just because you dont believe, Allen, dont mean im going to give up on you.... I believe in the bible whole heartedly. Nothing else......if the bible says it i belive it....if the bible cals something a cult....its a cult....If the bible says one thing and an orginization says another then the the org is unscriptural........ Just because, on the surface, an prg teaches and promotes good morals. doesnt mean it has a christian foundation. And anything that isnt built on the rock is foolish.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 31, 2006 21:26:10 GMT -5
engin lets just say i went to church every sunday untill i was 11,......... when i finally realized that the stuff the were shoving down my throat was completely illogical Glad to know you were at such a ripe and mature age to make these logical evaluation
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Post by gambit on Mar 31, 2006 21:37:42 GMT -5
You are out there man! Cripes your interpretations are so out of context with pretty much everything.
I ask you for an explanation for this, Ryan. PM it if you need to.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 31, 2006 21:42:21 GMT -5
that qoute was just a joke......obviously"misinterpreted"
Allen i think you have bitterness that you need to let go of....seriously.
what are saying is out of context? Give me something that im taking out of context.....please
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Post by gambit on Mar 31, 2006 21:56:15 GMT -5
Why the heck do you think I said for you to explain it? I didn't want to misinterpret it.
Ryan, have you noticed you you rub people very wrong when you display your opinions / facts? It is not just me. It is not every person you offend with your, sometime, fanatical beliefs.
You are so set on your , or the lack thereof, you feel other religions are borderline Satanic.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Mar 31, 2006 22:07:24 GMT -5
uh.......yea.....according to the bible. The book that you claim to believe.....Jesus, the God you claim to believe said that......."you are either for him or against him"......."to be a friend of the world is to be an enemy of God"
So yea if it goes against the word then it is Satanic. I apologize if you thought i was claiming things to ever be borderline anything. Stradle the fence and the bull will get you.
Now when i say that im not saying that you or anyone else i a devil worshiper. but that the method in which people trust is far to often evil.
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Post by gambit on Apr 1, 2006 0:21:57 GMT -5
Ryan, I am highly insulted by you; however, my offer remains for this coming Wednesday.
Do you know the definition of "fraternity"? Look it up. It is no different than you going to armwrestling practice; you are socializing & bonding with your armwrestling brothers, improving yourself on a symbol which is the center part of the purpose you are there. You are holding these armwrestling tournaments. Why are you not holding preaching seminars, instead? It seems to me you are being a friend of the world, Ryan.
Let me make one thing perfectly clear, Ryan, I do believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and God Almighty. I do practice Christian morals, I do go to church, I do practice charity, I do believe the foundation is as solid as rock. For someone to imply I, and my family, will be damned for what I do is something I take VERY seriously! Do not be so quick to judge Masonry and the people who are part of it, you have benefited from them before - Trust me!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2006 1:10:28 GMT -5
Allen. Come to one of my tournaments and I hope you will see that i do not seprate my armwrestling from christ. when i go to rays. We do not take death oaths or vows of any such that goes against the bible. So yea, its a lil different. Can we let this end now? I thought this was over a while back? Why ahve you brought this up? You brought my statements on yourself......if your offended with me blame yourself. You know this is how i feel......you know i have a conviction to be honest and truthful to the best of my abilities. The way i feel about this matter is enevitable. It will not change.............I can be friends with masons. But if you ask my opinoins and bring the subject up. Im going to be as honest as i can be........you can called me misinformed all you want. You can call me stubborn....i call it stability. I call it standing firm in my faith. Dont worry about things i say.....you degrade it anyway. Why worry now.
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Post by gambit on Apr 1, 2006 1:35:36 GMT -5
Check your PM, Ryan.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 1, 2006 1:37:57 GMT -5
likewise
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Post by John Parton on Apr 1, 2006 14:49:22 GMT -5
Hi Engin, I think you and I are saying the same thing with different words. I absolutely agree any group of people can be terrorist, and thats what I was saying about our governments actions. I think even when those people who call themselves religious begin to have political motives they too are materialistic. In my opinion our own president is a perfect example of that, as are those who lead those "religous" groups we call extremists wherever they come from. The Klu Klux Klan in our own counrty is an example of men using the name of God as an excuse for there own hatefullness or prejudice. I totally agree that we should all be under the controlling had of God, as it is plain to me that we are incapable on our own in acting any better than little children. I am grateful that God gave me a second chance, I certainly didn't deserve one, but am trying now my best to be what he wants me too. I feel blessed that even as a little child, I am allowed to play at things I love like armwrestling , while hopefully being an example of how God can change even a person like me. You are also soo right that there is no room for materialism in Gods way, as it always leads to wanting more and more at the expense of others. Right and wrong have become a matter of popular opinion because we decided we knew better than God and that is why we are in this mess.
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Post by Niklas Straub on Apr 2, 2006 14:10:09 GMT -5
You want to know the funniest thing? Darwin was never a scientist. He was supposed to accompany the Captain for dinners on the Beagle. That was it. Although he eventually became interested in animals. Though he was never a biologist! Only an antiquarian.
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