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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:53:52 GMT -5
Quran-8:67—“It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive) THAT IS SURELY NOT WHAT ALLAH MEANT IN THIS VERSE ,THAT WAS AN OPPUTUNITY FOR THE PAGANS TO REPENT ABOUT ATTACKING ON MUSLIMS AND GO AWAY,I KNOW THIS BECAUSE WHENEVER THEY DID NOT QUIT FIGHTING THEY WERE CAPTURED.MUSLIMS ARE ALSO ADVICED TO FREE THE CAPTIVES; 4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind (the captives) firmly: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost. 70. O Prophet! say to those who are captives in your hands: "If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." AND ALLAH EVEN SHOWS AS AN EXAMPLE OF GOOD HUMAN BEINGS ABOUT HAVING MERCY ON CAPTIVES; 8. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive,- 9. (Saying),"We feed you for the sake of Allah alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:54:08 GMT -5
JUSTIN? SHOULD I NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT AUSTIN HAS ASKED? TODD, IF THE CRIMES OF THE HUMANITY ARE BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS THEN IT SHOULD CONTAIN; SLAVING BLACK PEOPLE,KILLING THEM,KILLING INDIANS,CRUSADERS,NAZI CRIMES,RADIATING 100.000 CHILDREN,WORLD WARS AND MANY OTHERS. I HAVE CLEARLY FOUND THE COMMANDMENTS IN BIBLE TO KILL BABIES AND WOMEN BUT I STILL CAN NOT SEE ANY COMMANDMENT IN QURAN TO KILL INNOCENTS,FORGET ABOUT KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:54:26 GMT -5
Quran-8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah) IT IS MOST STUPID THING THAT I HAVE EVER READ.WHERE DO YOU READ THAT IT IS ABOUT SURRENDERED SOLDIERS?? IT IS ABOUT AT THE BATTLE FIELD,WE MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT ALLAH HELPED US DURING THESE WARS AGAINST THE OPPRESSORS WHEN OUR PROPHET WAS HERE ON EARTH.HOW CAN YOU ADD YOUR ILL THOUGHTS IN THIS VERSE WHEN THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT IT? 17. It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah. When thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah's: in order that He might confer on the Believers a gracious benefit from Himself: for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:54:45 GMT -5
Quran: 9:23: "O ye who believe! Take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong". [Quran is asking Muslims even to go against their own father and brothers in respect of religious faith] THERE IS NOTHING SAYS TO GO AGAINST OUR FATHER OR BROTHERS.LET US SEE WHAT ALLAH TEACHES US ABOUT OUR FATHER AND MOTHER; 14. And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal. 15. We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: in pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth. The carrying of the (child) to his weaning is (a period of) thirty months. At length, when he reaches the age of full strength and attains forty years, he says, "O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favor which Thou has bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. 83. And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and give Zakat. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now). LET US SEE WHAT JESUS SAYS ,BUT ONE SECOND YOU DO NOT SEE JESUS NOT EVEN AS A GOOD MAN BUT A SICK REDUCER RIGHT? (DIRECTED TO THE ZIONISTS).BELIEVERS SHOULD BE FAITHFUL TO GOD NOT TO PARENTS IF THE PARENTS ARE ENEMIES OF GOD,AS JESUS MENTIONED; 21: But he said to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it." 26: "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple".
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:55:02 GMT -5
Quran: 3:28: “Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah” IT IS VERY NORMAL THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAME FAITH CHOOSING THEIR CLOSE FRIENDS FROM EACHOTHER,AND NOT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HATES OR DENIES GOD.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:55:35 GMT -5
Quran: 5:45: We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” (Does this verse sound humane?) THIS VERSE ABOUT ALLAH TELLING US WHAT HE COMMANDED TO MOSES FOR THE LAW IN TORAH AS IT IS CLEARED WITH THE VERSES ONE BEFORE AND AFTER BUT AUTHOR AGAIN CHOOSED TO BE A HYPOCRITE.AUTHOR DID NOT EVEN POST THE FULL VERSE.ANY MAN WHO KNOWS ABOUT OLD TESTAMENT KNOWS THAT THERE IS THIS COMMANDMENT ABOUT EYE TO EYE ETC.AND ALLAH 44. It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Isl᭩ to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers. IN THE FULL VERSE ALLAH ADVICES US TO FORGIVE EVEN THOUGH HE GAVE US RIGHT TO PUNISH. 45. We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are wrong-doers.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:55:55 GMT -5
47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.” SO WHAT SHOULD THEY SUPPOSE TO DO DURING THE WAR WHEN PEOPLE WERE FIGHTING WITH SWORDS? GIVE ROSES TO PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN OPPRESSING MUSLIMS?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 5:56:22 GMT -5
9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.” THE ORIGINAL VERSE SAYS,"FIGHT" NOT "MURDER" AND IT IS ABOUT OPPRESSORS WHICH I HAVE CLEARLY PROVED BY MANY OTHER VERSES.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 6:01:16 GMT -5
JUST BRING ME A SUCH A COMMANDMENT FROM QURAN AS ONE OF THESE;
Deuteronomy, chapter 2
31: And the LORD said to me, `Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land over to you; begin to take possession, that you may occupy his land.' 32: Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Jahaz. 33: And the LORD our God gave him over to us; and we defeated him and his sons and all his people. 34: And we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed every city, men, women, and children; we left none remaining;
Samuel chapter 3
2: Thus says the LORD of hosts, `I will punish what Am'alek did to Israel in opposing them on the way, when they came up out of Egypt. 3: Now go and smite Am'alek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'"
Ezekiel chapter 9
4: And the LORD said to him, "Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark upon the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it." 5: And to the others he said in my hearing, "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity; 6: slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one upon whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were before the house.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 6:08:21 GMT -5
DO NOT BRING HERE FALSE PROVES,ANSWER MY ANSWERS TO YOUR SLANDERINGS.
YOUR ANSWER SURELY DO NOT EXPLAIN YOUR GOD TO TELL HIS MAN TO KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
I TOLD YOU TO NOT TO BRING HUMAN WORDS BUT YOU STILL BROUGHT HUMAN WORDS BY SAYING THAT THESE WERE WHAT OUR PROPHET SAID.MOST OF THE MUSLIMS DO NOT BELIEVE IN THOSE WORDS AT ALL,WE BELIEVE IN QURAN.
IF YOU GO WITH SLANDERINGS THEN I REALLY WILL START TO POST HERE HUNDREDS OF INCONSISTENTS FROM THE BIBLE AS YOU BROUGHT HERE """""NOTHING""""" FROM QURAN WHICH COMMANDS TO KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS IT IS IN;
Deuteronomy, chapter 2
31: And the LORD said to me, `Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land over to you; begin to take possession, that you may occupy his land.' 32: Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Jahaz. 33: And the LORD our God gave him over to us; and we defeated him and his sons and all his people. 34: And we captured all his cities at that time and utterly destroyed every city, men, women, and children; we left none remaining;
Samuel chapter 3
2: Thus says the LORD of hosts, `I will punish what Am'alek did to Israel in opposing them on the way, when they came up out of Egypt. 3: Now go and smite Am'alek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'"
Ezekiel chapter 9
4: And the LORD said to him, "Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark upon the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it." 5: And to the others he said in my hearing, "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity; 6: slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one upon whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were before the house.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 7:07:06 GMT -5
I WILL BRING A FEW HUNDREDS MORE,I ASKED YOU TO BRING ME ANY COMMANDMENT FROM QURAN THAT SAYS TO KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN BUT INSTEAD YOU BROUGHT HERE VERSES ABOUT THE ORDERS IN WAR TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.AND YOU ALSO BROUGHT HERE HUMAN WORDS THAT I ALREADY TOLD YOU TO NOT TO BRING BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT THE WORDS OF ALLAH.
YOU ALSO USED VERY HUMILIATING LANGUAGE ABOUT MY FAITH AND I WILL DO THE SAME WAY FROM NOW ON ABOUT YOUR FAITH.
YOU BROUGHT HERE SO MANY VERSES WITH HIDING WHAT WAS BEFORE AND AFTER THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING,IT IS CALLED HYPOCRICY.
YOU BROUGHT HERE VERSES THAT ARE HALF,AND THE FULL VERSE EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.
I CHALLENGED YOU TO BRING ME ANYTHING FROM QURAN THAT TELLS TO KILL WOMEN,CHILDREN OR INNOCENTS BUT YOU COULD NOT.INSTEAD YOU BROUGHT HERE THE VERSES THAT COMMANDS TO FIGHT AGAINST OPPRESSORS.
YOU CAN CONTINUE YOUR SLANDERINGS AND DIRECT DISRESPECTING WORDS ABOUT MY FAITH,AND I SURE WILL USE THE SAME DISRESPECTFUL WORDS ABOUT YOUR FAITH BUT WILL NOT SLANDER.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 7:10:20 GMT -5
yesterday i did not have any internet connection and could not read any of these,i did not use any offending word about Christianity before you started and Ryan Thames supported.but from now on i will use the same words as long as you guys continue to use about my faith.
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Post by Austin Slater on Aug 29, 2006 10:18:00 GMT -5
Engin,
I responded to you via pm. If you want to talk alleged bible contradictions I would love to answer them just post them one at a time so I can answer them. Thanks!
Austin
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 10:23:41 GMT -5
Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible
(Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?)
The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh. Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are "pleasing to the Lord".
Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.
Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-bitch. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.
The first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it.
Even more peculiar is God's obsession with first-born sons. In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that "consecrate" means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.
However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions. "Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick.
Bible Passages About Ritual Human Sacrifice
Jephthah Burns His Daughter
"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."
"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." (Judges 11:29-40 NLT)
God Commands Burning Humans
[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)
Josiah and Human Sacrifice
At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)
He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: "You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant." There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign. Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)
Human Sacrifice
Chastised a little, they shall be greatly blessed, because God tried them and found them worthy of himself. As gold in the furnace, he proved them, and as sacrificial offerings he took them to himself. In the time of their visitation they shall shine, and shall dart about as sparks through stubble; (Wisdom 3:5-7 NAB The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible.)
Child Sacrifice
And this became a hidden trap for mankind, because men, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority, bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared. Afterward it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God, but they live in great strife due to ignorance, and they call such great evils peace. For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange customs… (Wisdom 14:21-23 RSV) The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible. This passage condemns human sacrifice but acknowledges that it did happen by early God worshipers.
Humans are Fuel for Fire
As for you, son of man, prophesy: Thus says the Lord GOD against the Ammonites and their insults: A sword, a sword is drawn for slaughter, burnished to consume and to flash lightning, because you planned with false visions and lying divinations to lay it on the necks of depraved and wicked men whose day has come when their crimes are at an end. Return it to its sheath! In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you. I will pour out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction. You shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the land. You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken. (Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB)
Burn Nonbelievers
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
So the next time some Christian tells you about the "love of God", show them this page and ask them "Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?"
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2006 10:24:11 GMT -5
Austin,
did you ask me once at a time?
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