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Post by Vic Sargent on Dec 15, 2006 9:01:12 GMT -5
Well all I have to say is that it does look bad that Pete appears to be the one getting singled out yet there are many others that owe you money and for a much longer time... And as far as taking Pete for HIS WORD, I would have no problem splitting Pete's bill with anyone. I know as well as James that as soon as he get's his lottery sized tax return that I'll get my money back... Again I can understand the frustrations you have however I just feel that you approached this ALL WRONG...
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 10:18:52 GMT -5
Pete will pay you, I know that you are not hurting bad enough that you cannot absorb a short term loss to pete. Suck it up, do what is right for the sport. I think you will probably loose most of the support of the Northeast and maybe more if you keep up your antics.
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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 10:31:54 GMT -5
Ok Vic I will expect a check in the mail thanks. James, that is not exactly the story you gave me on the phone but OK fine then the bill should technically by owed by NAA which includes you as a officer of the association at the time of the bill. Larry, Larry, Larry what is wrong with you? I am going to do what is right for me just like you do also. Is your continued harassment of Denise and me good for the sport? You just can't seem to help yourself. Maybe you can go to a meeting about it
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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 10:33:32 GMT -5
Oh and James I guess you also didn't read the law on whether I could post that information or not. As the creditor it is perfectly legal for me to do so. Pete is welcome to try to collect from a lawsuit but he will not prevail.
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Post by BigDaddyJoe™ on Dec 15, 2006 10:35:38 GMT -5
How about everyone does the Macerana
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 10:36:46 GMT -5
all you can do is attack me personally, you are a big man leonard!!!!! I am advocating for what is right, That is all. Remeber you are the one who posted the BS on your website, not me.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Dec 15, 2006 11:11:49 GMT -5
Being that Pete is in this "problem" because of my Co. I have been reading this thread.......I once worked for a Collection Agency back when the laws,or should I say lack of laws, favored the Dept Collectors. So I called up my old boss, who still owns an Investigation Co. that STILL does Collections...
I asked him if it was legal for a BUSINESS OWNER, or EMPLOYEE of that business to post in a newspaper, website, magazine or on t.v. names of people (customers) that owe them money..He said "NO" and he has never heard of any business doing so, UNLESS there was a JUDGEMENT rendered in COURT PROVING that the CUSTOMER owes them monies..... The ONLY ones he knows that will do that are Gov't Agencies for things like foreclosures, etc.
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Post by BigDaddyJoe™ on Dec 15, 2006 11:25:28 GMT -5
I think I saw this in a movie once
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Post by jamesretarides on Dec 15, 2006 11:39:31 GMT -5
I am always up for the macarena. Leonard, why not air our conversation on here, you are good at that. And me, I am always up for a good argument, not that it would be a good one. Pete would come on here, take personal responsibility and you would take a verbal kicking in the nuts. We all know that so why not save yourself the embarrassment.
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 11:58:17 GMT -5
Engin,
You are correct. Leonard should and will get paid. Pete has already paid him 1200 and will pay him the balance asap. Leonard handled the situation in an unprofessional and illegal manner. I am not disputing whether or not pete owes the money, just the fact that leonard publically humiliated him and others on his site.
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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 12:05:24 GMT -5
Engin, You are correct. Leonard should and will get paid. Pete has already paid him 1200 and will pay him the balance asap. Leonard handled the situation in an unprofessional and illegal manner. I am not disputing whether or not pete owes the money, just the fact that leonard publically humiliated him and others on his site. Larry and Pete go to the site that gives us the law. As the creditor I am excluded from the law prohibiting publicly listing who owes me money. When you ask a debt collector if it is legal or not they will say no it is not because for someone in the business of debt collecting it is illegal and they know what is the law for their business. The fact remains that as the creditor the law is very clear, I can do what I did.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Dec 15, 2006 12:22:01 GMT -5
Aren't you try to collect a debt?
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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 12:27:53 GMT -5
Yes I am. I will post the definition of who is not a "debt collector" and are therefore not subject to this law.
The term does not include -- (A) any officer or employee of a creditor while, in the name of the creditor, collecting debts for such creditor;
(B) any person while acting as a debt collector for another person, both of whom are related by common ownership or affiliated by corporate control, if the person acting as a debt collector does so only for persons to whom it is so related or affiliated and if the principal business of such person is not the collection of debts;
That is from the definition of who is a debt collector. I as the creditor am excluded from this law. Sorry
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 12:33:59 GMT -5
Leonard,
Admit you where wrong, apoligize to the armwrestling community, and be done with it!!!!
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Post by Pete & Tim on Dec 15, 2006 12:37:46 GMT -5
What are you saying sorry for? I haven't accused you of anything. I only asked to understand more of what you and Larry have been going on about.
I find it all entertaining
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