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Post by Dan Thomas on Sept 18, 2008 18:44:08 GMT -5
IMO if armwrestling is just a bit of fun, how come so many people spend so much money to travel so far for it, I play football (soccer) every now and then for fun but i don't sacrifice nights out drinking and partying to travel 500 miles for a game, i do however get up 3 hours before work every day to train, not go out partying and drinking and i do spend every spare penny i have on traveling to and competing in competitions. I don't armwrestle for fun or money i do it to be better than the guy across the table from me. I do beleive that one day, especially with all the work Neil Pickup is doing with Fighters Inc and Eurosport that we will have a sport that can provide a living for those who are good enough to earn it, just the same as every other sport.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 18, 2008 18:51:17 GMT -5
Armwrestling as any other sport has winning and losing in it.so when you say that "IT IS A FUN" then you are actually saying that it does not bother you a lot when you lose because armwrestling is a fun to you.
i have never seen people becoming very best in the world in a competetive combat sport that is only a hobby to this person.football is a hobby to me since i watch and play,same as ping pong which is a hobby for me but not a hobby for the athletes who are the best ones in the world.also i know some people who makes money from their hobbies so IMO money can not determine what is hobby and what is not.
a hobby should not change the mood of people in either positive or negative ways.so if you do not care much about your injuries,victories,losses,trainings etc then of course it is a hobby for you that you do not have to be succesfull.
but if it is in you and takes a lot of time from your life both mentally and physically then it is not a hobby but a serious sport for you no matter if you make money or not.
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Chris Ceci
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Post by Chris Ceci on Sept 18, 2008 18:55:37 GMT -5
This is for Pete Milano:
Sir, I read your posts on this message board and it's few and far between you have anything POSITIVE to say about this sport. I don't know you, don't want to, and you have the balls to say I'm retarted?? My Dreams are retarted?? As far as I'm concerned your a disgrace to the sport. It's people like you with negative views that will never allow this sport to go further and be what it can be. It sad to think your aloud to be the founder of your own association. A representative of a sport I take seriously. The picture you paint to me, is someone involved for money. Not the love of the sport, or the comraderie between competitors. Oh, and Pete you're correct we never met, I hope we do, cause I want you to call me a fun to my face. At least I have a dream. I'll be holdin' on for the ride........Chris Ceci
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Post by James Battles on Sept 18, 2008 19:05:34 GMT -5
IMO if armwrestling is just a bit of fun, how come so many people spend so much money to travel so far for it, I play football (soccer) every now and then for fun but i don't sacrifice nights out drinking and partying to travel 500 miles for a game, i do however get up 3 hours before work every day to train, not go out partying and drinking and i do spend every spare penny i have on traveling to and competing in competitions. I don't armwrestle for fun or money i do it to be better than the guy across the table from me. I do beleive that one day, especially with all the work Neil Pickup is doing with Fighters Inc and Eurosport that we will have a sport that can provide a living for those who are good enough to earn it, just the same as every other sport. It is all in what you call a bit of fun Dan Agreed ...... The sport has it set to make its own way and eventually some unknown distance in the future barring my winning the lotto of course , it will in fact become a large enough sporting event and reach the level with the help of so many people to be considered for the Olympics. everything grows. Look at the UFC . It grew and almost went defunct and was ressurrected to the level it is today. If they really cared about the Olympics which that may be in the cards you can all look for a bit of an explanation and UFC will become an Olympic Sport. The next five years and a possible growth into the mainstream of MMA and just watch. Dana and the backers will pop for some change and the UFC will be ranking qualifiers or at least could be. Presently though the supplements that they do allow and are sponsors as well for UFC some of which will not pass the WADA exam but will pass a drug test used and excepted by professional sports. Been through all this before...... broken record time. anyone still wondering please ask Simon.
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Post by Tim Lewis on Sept 18, 2008 19:11:25 GMT -5
IMO if armwrestling is just a bit of fun, how come so many people spend so much money to travel so far for it, I play football (soccer) every now and then for fun but i don't sacrifice nights out drinking and partying to travel 500 miles for a game, i do however get up 3 hours before work every day to train, not go out partying and drinking and i do spend every spare penny i have on traveling to and competing in competitions. I don't armwrestle for fun or money i do it to be better than the guy across the table from me. I do beleive that one day, especially with all the work Neil Pickup is doing with Fighters Inc and Eurosport that we will have a sport that can provide a living for those who are good enough to earn it, just the same as every other sport. Why do people travel so far? Because the best of the best are disbursed throughout the country....because some people want to compete more than once in a year in there hometown. To hang out with their arm wrestling friends and have a good time both on and off the table. That's why. Some of us are fortunate to have promoters living around our areas and don't have to travel as often to pull. Some areas (West Texas, Great Lakes region to name a few) are lacking in the number of quality events that get run) and in order to change that it takes dedicated promoters to step up and get things running! In soccer, golf, bowling, racquetball, pool or any other sport (which could also be considered a hobby) you'll find at least 100 people in your hometown to compete against for fun..just go down to your local YMCA. In armwrestling, this doesn't work. You might be able to convince 2 or 3 guys to check the sport out or go to a local tournament or practice...but odds are 75% they drop out or find it boring compared to x and y and z...they don't love it as much as we do. Until armwrestling becomes cool...something everyone wants to do...we aren't going to get "big." What makes it uncool? We'll I don't know a lot of things, but that's not really what I'm posting about. Will it ever happen? I hope so and I think that's why we keep talking about it. Now a realist would say no way. I would say probably not but if we don't keep trying then we will never get there. Not all of us have the energy of the energizer bunny to keep going and going and going...but for those blessed with that gift...keep doing your thing because we need you. I love "the arm wrestling experience" for what it is. I am getting better but am very far from the best. There is something a lot bigger in this sport for me than winning. I think most of us would realize it too if we stepped back at thought for 5 minutes. I mean if I didn't go to Hawthorne, NV I was probably going to sit back and party with 5 or 6 buddies at their house and go to the bar later anyway. Driving out there 12 hours and doing the things we did out there was way better than that. I'm not going to be able to do it (leave home whenever I want for a tournament) forever once I get a real job so I might as well enjoy it while I still can.
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Post by James Battles on Sept 18, 2008 19:14:43 GMT -5
Armwrestling as any other sport has winning and losing in it.so when you say that "IT IS A FUN" then you are actually saying that it does not bother you a lot when you lose because armwrestling is a fun to you. i have never seen people becoming very best in the world in a competetive combat sport that is only a hobby to this person.football is a hobby to me since i watch and play,same as ping pong which is a hobby for me but not a hobby for the athletes who are the best ones in the world.also i know some people who makes money from their hobbies so IMO money can not determine what is hobby and what is not. a hobby should not change the mood of people in either positive or negative ways.so if you do not care much about your injuries,victories,losses,trainings etc then of course it is a hobby for you that you do not have to be succesfull. but if it is in you and takes a lot of time from your life both mentally and physically then it is not a hobby but a serious sport for you no matter if you make money or not. Ok now I understand you Engin ! Yeah that was another investment 13,500 USD for my elbow work. Ok you got me man! Not a hobby or even a serious hobby. I love it and cannot explain why though. I am serious after all. I look forward very much too seeing you seven years later but I am bringing the Heater "right arm". I am back to the small fury rodent wars in my roof . I am serious athlete after all. My wife and I just signed a two year agreement at a gym so with the dedication no matter what I cannot be not serious. Still there is room for all including anyone who just pulls for fun. I know some obsessed youngsters who want my soul but they cant have it night my friend and true congrats on the baby making
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 18, 2008 19:25:20 GMT -5
thank you James!
just because it is fun or hobby to some people,this does not make SPORT OF ARMWRESTLING a fun or a hobby.
football maybe a fun to some,and not to some others.same can be said for basketball or tennis or another sport.what makes it serious or not is up to every individual's intention to be part of armwrestling and no i am not serious only about money since there may be some other things which are more important than making money.i have made money from armwrestling not because it was the intention of mine when i started armwrestling,making money was the result of how serious i took armwrestling.it does not mean that every serious athlete can make money but i was serious about armwrestling when i knew that there was no money in armwrestling (i have spent tons of money for armwrestling before i made my first money in it).
is money the only thing that determines what is serious and what is not for us?
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Post by John Byerley on Sept 18, 2008 19:33:07 GMT -5
My arm hurts way too much after practice for it to be a hobby - In fact it pretty much has wiped away about all of my hobbies, except going to the gym and getting a good workout. Arm Wrestling to me is wayyyy more than a hobby but I understand why it would be just that to others. Everyone sees and experiences things differently and for different reasons. I don't think we can comment on what something is or what something can be to another person. Dreamers are important to everyone though - because we will help grow this sport day-by-day. I want to be the best - and I will be Arm Wrestling to me is a vehicle to a better person, competitor - that I want to become.
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Post by chrislydman on Sept 18, 2008 19:59:12 GMT -5
I never like to lose..Get Scotty Horhath nad Lee Culpepper on the phone, and ask them! In fact, you can ask Craig Tullier, Willie Reagan, RJ and Jason Vincent if I like to lose!!!! I don't, I just like the process of winning better!!!!!!!
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 18, 2008 20:02:39 GMT -5
Karen,
at the first we all started for fun but it does not continue to be for fun when you have all kind of pains and injuries,and we all know how much it hurts as a beginner.
i agree with you that armwrestling is not a professional sport,only PAL is the professional organisation which is slowly getting bigger but not enough to provide to make living for most of the top athletes.that is why i am against the so called professional world titles in this sport.professional world titles in a none professional sport.but let us remember that olympic sports are considered to be amateur sports.being amateur does not mean none serious sport and once again money can not determine what is serious for everyone.so let us say that it is up to every individual to take armwrestling as a fun object or something serious.
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Post by chrislydman on Sept 18, 2008 20:04:40 GMT -5
"Obviously what some call fun is different from others. I find it very hard to believe that each and every single one of you do not find the sport fun. Fun - to enjoy something, to look forward to experiencing it, to want to participate - that's FUN. Is that NOT what got all of us into the sport in the first place? Doing it for FUN?"
Karen , I do it for fun.......I was diagnosed with cancer in 2001. I made the AAA Nationals in 2002, 2004 and 2006. God willing, I'll make them again. The lasting relationships I've made will make this sport far more than competition......
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Post by chrislydman on Sept 18, 2008 20:10:12 GMT -5
Don't confuse issues here, folks.....FUN doesn't mean lack of PASSION. Never underestimate the guy or gal in it for 'fun'. If you do, you'll lose to my left handed 'friend'.....
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 18, 2008 20:14:25 GMT -5
i agree Karen,that you can have fun but it does not have to be the only reason to be part of it.seriously i personally would not spend money to travel all around the world just for fun.my fun starts when i win which is my intention to be part of this sport and without taking this sport seriously i guarantee you that you can not be succesfull.
it is great to see friends but it does not satisfy me when i lose because it has never been the reason of my efforts.i did not train to get more friends,i train to win in competetions and there i get friends.trust me that one can find things to spend time for fun,it does not have to be armwrestling.also you do not need to train or win to be part of armwrestling events where you can meet friends.there starts the difference between fun and serious sport,it is your intention.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Sept 18, 2008 20:20:59 GMT -5
Oh Mr. Ceci, you really don't get it and you really don't get me.
You go and think what you want.
God I hate this board.
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Post by chrislydman on Sept 18, 2008 20:22:46 GMT -5
Engin, my friend, also realize, you are at a level in the sport than most of us will never even dream of. Not because of lack of desire, but lack of genetics and skill. You have been and will continue to be my Idol in the sport. More so than Dave Patton, just because of your dedication. My calling of Search and Rescue swimming took away from my pulling, but I hung in there because it was fun, and worth my time.
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