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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 18:04:01 GMT -5
she was 14 years old when i first saw her at 2001 Worlds where she took 2. place in the SENIOR class.since then she has won about 30 WORLD and European titles in junior and senior weight classes,not to mention that she has not participate ever year.
i wouldnt say for sure 80% but many of you would be shocked ;D
here is she is embrassing my team mates who took 2. and 4. in their senior divisions;
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Post by robbyburnett on Aug 6, 2009 18:14:19 GMT -5
50% might not be too far off though lol. that video was kinda dark but from what i could see she didnt look bad either lol damn u russians lol.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Aug 6, 2009 18:14:42 GMT -5
, I want to win WAF Worlds one day and I don't want to get beat by a juicer. if you think that just because there is test at WAF you will not face anyone with juice then you are mistaking.not only in armwrestling but in all kind of tested strength sports the timing method is used.yes one cant be as strong with timing method as juicing till the competetion day but still you will feel something unnatural with some of your opponents without any doubt.also since we cant test every medalist but only go by the doping card pickers there have been pullers who come to the event by believing to pick the empty doping card.i am not accusing anyone,i am talking about the athletes who tested positive already. I don't think everybody on juice will be caught, no, my point was that I don't feel any remorse for Semerenko. Or any other juicer that gets caught. |
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 6, 2009 18:33:10 GMT -5
^^^ your right not everyone will get caught
I also want to say the majority of Russian people are hard working very strong genetically , and prideful. But like anywhere else there is people that cheat and there is more history there too for that and not illegal to possess.
I also dont want to dispute you, but i find it hard to believe they test there. If they cared that much than make it harder to get and illegal there
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Post by Andrew Fournier on Aug 6, 2009 19:34:54 GMT -5
Well, it appears I've opened up a can of corn...give me a second to modify my original post with two additional words: "I THINK". There, everyone happy? As for this whole widely known in very narrow circles (lol), seperation of my cohones and manhood, and being destined to mediocrity in the sport, THANKS!~ Maybe my Avatar will reach Legendary Status. For 'I THINK' you have chosen quite a filthy vocabulary to express your thoughts. What would your English teacher think after reading your original post? I train over 100 young girls and boys. They are inspired by all the greats of this sport. If Arsen lost to Travis, none of them would have contribute it to Travis being juiced. All the perks that elite russian pullers might be getting from their local governments and sponsors would disappear and never come back if one fails the test. For these athletes, this sport is their life. They do it full time. They cannot fall back on their banking, factory, teaching jobs. Their distinguished sports titles are given by the order of minister of sports in Moscow. They are truly famous, as world champion in skiing, wrestling, diving, chess or any other sport would be. Entire Turkish team would be banned if someone fails. This is why testing is being done in Turkey and Russia on national levels. Take a 154 lb russian girl Irina Makeeva. I would go on a limb and say that she would destroy 80% of male members of this board, of all ages, weight classes, and ego levels. Would anyone dare to call her a juicer? After all the national, european, world titles, and tests that come with them, she is still a stellar example for anyone to follow. I would be pissed if one of my students lost hir/her title to a juicer, but this is not the place and form to point fingers and make accusations based on 'I THINK' Report from Doping Committee At the 2007 Worlds in Bulgaria ? We had 1 person test positive DZAMBOLAT TSORIEV from Russia has been suspended for 2 years until December 31, 2009 At the 2008 European Championship in Norway We had 3 people test positive TIMUR BICHILOV Russia, OLGA GAVRILOVA, Russia and SOFIYA AKHMETGAREEVA, Russia. They were all given 2 year suspension until August 31, 2010. We do 20 tests at the World level and 30 tests at the European Level for a total of 50 tests per year. To date, we have done 200 tests and have had 15 positive. 7 from Russia 1 from Slovakia 1 from Brazil 2 from Latvia 1 from Romania 1 from Bulgaria 1 from Uzbekistan 1 from Ukraine Please note that all tests are conducted by luck of the draw --------------- I THINK.....That's not bad for luck of the draw!!!...No wonder you have to have hundreds of students. You ask about crystal balls and proof, why bother with the crystal balls? I thought 2004 was a good year for Russia also w/11 gold medal disqualifications: www.armsport.com/2004wafresults.htmlXXV World Championships - Sao Paulo, Brazil - October 12 - 16, 2004Men's Right Hand 63kg Bolotaev Vladimir Russia disqualified Ray Hennerichs USA Khubaev Georgy Russia Paulo Morbio Brazil Men's Right Hand 70kg Zoloev Khadzhimurat Russia disqualified Carlos Eduardo Rodriges Brazil Andrea Jozeiph Egypt Anderson Da Silva Brazil Men's Right Hand 78kg Tcherski Maxim Russia disqualified Steve Inelo Brazil Craig Tullier USA Mike West USA Men's Right Hand 86kg Filippov Roman Russia disqualified Giuliano Pareja Brazil Claudio Joaquim Brazil Prokudin Nikolay Russia Men's Right Hand 95kg Albegov Igor Russia disqualified James Battles USA Muriev Viatcheslav Russia Marcos Roberto Brazil Men's Right Hand 105kg Kachmazov Slavik Russia disqualified Luciano Baroz Brazil Blaine Middleton USA Heleno Araugo Brazil Men's Right Hand 105+kg Kodzasov Sergey Russia disqualified Daniel Santiago Brazil Glauco Prior Brazil Galvez Diego Argentina Women's Right Hand 49kg Baloeva Dzerassa Russia disqualified Maria Latancia Brazil Cristina Bognar Brazil Women's Right Hand 54kg Gabueva Luiza Russia disqualified Rasstrizhenkova Irina Russia Luciane Mitica Brazil Patricia Monteiro Brazil Women's Right Hand 60kg Gladkaya Irina Russia disqualified Cris Rejeine Brazil Larina Ekaterina Russia Maria Jorge Brazil Women's Right Hand 67kg Gavrilova Olga Russia disqualified Maraline Pardin Brazil Clelia Goulant Brazil Andrea Paul USA ------------------------- You're attempt to divert the subject by pulling in variables as testicle removing and avatar insults is childish in itself. Your comments against my character will not be forgotten. I'm not scared of you nor am I impressed with ANY armwrestling athlete with positive doping results. You ask what would my English teacher say, well obviously other people agree steroid users are "motherf*ckers, b*stards, weak *&&%&"... from a Variety of countries right after my original post. Good day to you. |
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Post by John Parton on Aug 7, 2009 0:41:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Guy. I love this sport but being healthy and living long is far more important to me. The main thing that bothers me is always being sore. I only pull a few times a month and workout 4-5 days a week but I am ALWAYS sore. If I could take something to make me feel 100% everyday it would be tempting. yeah creatine and protein and maybe L-glutamine may help a little but you still wont be able to armwrestle twice a week than pound weights the next day or pull a big event day and night and train the next day.. Stay focused ! Hi there my old friend. I hate to sayit but I have to disagreee with you on one point. There are those who can pull twice a week or train the day after pulling. I used to be one of them, and Lord willing I will be again  Having said that just because you are able to train the next day doesn't mean your muscles have recovered to be able to get the full effect. That's where the difference is steroids as well as some other drugs reduce cell recover time in a false manner. I do want to say along with Engin that unless you know it's just wrong to accuse someone of ANYTHING! Believe it or not over the years I have seen people who looked like Arsen (Except for that amazinjg forearm) who I know did no drugs. GOD just made them that way, and they put in the hard hours to enhance what they were given. I know that Guys has personal knowledge of some of the pullers doing roids, but I believe some of you are just spouting off.All I will say is that next time someone spouts off about you for any reason remember WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND! I am for the record very much against Peds in any sport any venue. But the reality is that we do have to deal with them  Get over it and pull your heart out so you will be satisfied with what you do |
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Post by Tomas Micka on Aug 7, 2009 3:45:59 GMT -5
Way to go Fournier, good post.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 7, 2009 3:55:29 GMT -5
We do 20 tests at the World level and 30 tests at the European Level for a total of 50 tests per year. To date, we have done 200 tests and have had 15 positive. 7 from Russia 1 from Slovakia 1 from Brazil 2 from Latvia 1 from Romania 1 from Bulgaria 1 from Uzbekistan 1 from Ukraine i have never heard anyone tested positive from Bulgaria, Romania,Slovakia,Uzbekistan,Brazil and Latvia,at least never heard of them being suspended.who are these athletes? 2006 WAF champion from Kazakstan in 198s tested positive,but he is not listed above. I thought 2004 was a good year for Russia also w/11 gold medal disqualifications: www.armsport.com/2004wafresults.htmlXXV World Championships - Sao Paulo, Brazil - October 12 - 16, 2004Men's Right Hand 63kg Bolotaev Vladimir Russia disqualified Ray Hennerichs USA Khubaev Georgy Russia Paulo Morbio Brazil Men's Right Hand 70kg Zoloev Khadzhimurat Russia disqualified Carlos Eduardo Rodriges Brazil Andrea Jozeiph Egypt Anderson Da Silva Brazil Men's Right Hand 78kg Tcherski Maxim Russia disqualified Steve Inelo Brazil Craig Tullier USA Mike West USA Men's Right Hand 86kg Filippov Roman Russia disqualified Giuliano Pareja Brazil Claudio Joaquim Brazil Prokudin Nikolay Russia Men's Right Hand 95kg Albegov Igor Russia disqualified James Battles USA Muriev Viatcheslav Russia Marcos Roberto Brazil Men's Right Hand 105kg Kachmazov Slavik Russia disqualified Luciano Baroz Brazil Blaine Middleton USA Heleno Araugo Brazil Men's Right Hand 105+kg Kodzasov Sergey Russia disqualified Daniel Santiago Brazil Glauco Prior Brazil Galvez Diego Argentina Women's Right Hand 49kg Baloeva Dzerassa Russia disqualified Maria Latancia Brazil Cristina Bognar Brazil Women's Right Hand 54kg Gabueva Luiza Russia disqualified Rasstrizhenkova Irina Russia Luciane Mitica Brazil Patricia Monteiro Brazil Women's Right Hand 60kg Gladkaya Irina Russia disqualified Cris Rejeine Brazil Larina Ekaterina Russia Maria Jorge Brazil Women's Right Hand 67kg Gavrilova Olga Russia disqualified Maraline Pardin Brazil Clelia Goulant Brazil Andrea Paul USA ------------------------- i am not sure if they were punished by the main WAF for this qualifications at all,as they kept pulling following year so i dont exactly know the situation but this disqualification desicion is not honoured by the WAF that continues to organise WAF championships. |
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 7, 2009 4:11:35 GMT -5
the main thing is that because of the positive tested athletes accusing negative tested athletes is something like accusing other US runners for steroid use because of Marion Jones.
or saying to someone,"YOU ARE A MURDERER BECAUSE YOUR FATHER WAS SO".
or "YOU ARE A THIEF BECAUSE YOUR FRIEND STOLE SOMETHING"
talking about someone who is failed at the doping test is not an evidence to accuse (front of the armwrestling world) people who didnt test positive.
also it does not mean that people who did not get tested at all,are clean just because either they were not strong enough to be a medalist & pick the doping card,or were medalist but picked an empty card.
no one is denying the steroid involvement in our sport same as in all other strength sports.the problem is with announcing the athletes who are not found guilty,as they are guilty.if we are going to do that then lets start from our own,otherwise it doesnt sound like a war on steroids but throwing mud on whom you dont like.
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Post by Anthony Edens on Aug 7, 2009 7:54:58 GMT -5
I was curious and searched what the average Steroid testing kit costs and found that even when purchased by the dozen, they are $70 each. I'm sure if the WAF were to purchase a few hundred they could get a better deal, say $50 each. Take $50 times 400 competitors and that's $20,000! Another point that Engin mentioned is that a user can simply plan their cycle around the time that they know they will possibly be tested. So... you would actually need to test the competitors every 3 months so that would be $80,000 a year. I don't even know if there is that much prize money given away in the whole sport each year?
What is the point in saying all of this? There is not enough money in the sport to make a real difference. Steroids is something we'll have to live with. It's definitely easier (to deal with) for someone like me who will never compete on the international level, but I can certainly see where it sucks for guys like Guy.
I do think it is wrong to post names of people who you "think" are users. I just read an article this morning where UFC Lightweight Champ BJ Penn said that he thinks George St. Pierre is using steroids. It makes me mad to see someone say something like that because they "feel" that the other person looks unnatural.
On the otherhand I have no sympathy for the ones who are caught. I think the penalty is too soft.
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Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 7, 2009 8:10:52 GMT -5
I was curious and searched what the average Steroid testing kit costs and found that even when purchased by the dozen, they are $70 each. I'm sure if the WAF were to purchase a few hundred they could get a better deal, say $50 each. Take $50 times 400 competitors and that's $20,000! Another point that Engin mentioned is that a user can simply plan their cycle around the time that they know they will possibly be tested. So... you would actually need to test the competitors every 3 months so that would be $80,000 a year. I don't even know if there is that much prize money given away in the whole sport each year? What is the point in saying all of this? There is not enough money in the sport to make a real difference. Steroids is something we'll have to live with. It's definitely easier (to deal with) for someone like me who will never compete on the international level, but I can certainly see where it sucks for guys like Guy. I do think it is wrong to post names of people who you "think" are users. I just read an article this morning where UFC Lightweight Champ BJ Penn said that he thinks George St. Pierre is using steroids. It makes me mad to see someone say something like that because they "feel" that the other person looks unnatural. On the otherhand I have no sympathy for the ones who are caught. I think the penalty is too soft. WAF will only do WADA level testing which is 300.00 per test and that does not include the cost of the doctor or the actual test itself. |
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Aug 7, 2009 9:07:07 GMT -5
I was curious and searched what the average Steroid testing kit costs and found that even when purchased by the dozen, they are $70 each. I'm sure if the WAF were to purchase a few hundred they could get a better deal, say $50 each. Take $50 times 400 competitors and that's $20,000! Another point that Engin mentioned is that a user can simply plan their cycle around the time that they know they will possibly be tested. So... you would actually need to test the competitors every 3 months so that would be $80,000 a year. I don't even know if there is that much prize money given away in the whole sport each year? What is the point in saying all of this? There is not enough money in the sport to make a real difference. Steroids is something we'll have to live with. It's definitely easier (to deal with) for someone like me who will never compete on the international level, but I can certainly see where it sucks for guys like Guy. I do think it is wrong to post names of people who you "think" are users. I just read an article this morning where UFC Lightweight Champ BJ Penn said that he thinks George St. Pierre is using steroids. It makes me mad to see someone say something like that because they "feel" that the other person looks unnatural. On the otherhand I have no sympathy for the ones who are caught. I think the penalty is too soft. WAF will only do WADA level testing which is 300.00 per test and that does not include the cost of the doctor or the actual test itself. How much is it for blood samples? I can bet that there are enough people on here that will donate the money for WAF to conduct proper tests (blood samples) to be done in 2010. Leonard, can this be taken to congress? If the armwrestling community can raise the necessary funds to conduct blood sample tests ($amount) by (date) then WAF will allow blood samples to be conducted at the 2010 world's in USA. If not the normal urine tests will be conducted as normal. What do you think to this proposal? I am also going to ask Neil Pickup to take this to the meeting in Italy this year. |
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Post by Jim Bryan on Aug 7, 2009 9:54:21 GMT -5
I was in Brazil in 2004. Humberto made it known prior to the event that the winners would be drug tested. There was talke about it weeks before the event. After the awards ceremony, the winners were requested to provide a urine specimen. All the Russian competitors either decided or were ordered onto the bus by their coach or team captain and refused to provide any samples. They were then disqualified. They are a very tight team with strong leaders and coaches. Only they know if the atheletes or coach made the decision, but they all acted in unison regardless of the consequences; as a team. If one tested, they all probably would have tested. If one refuesed, they all refused. The point is, the odds are against every winner testing positive on the whole team. Even if some of the winners knew they were clean and would pass the test, that was less important than standing united with their training partners, their team.
Kinda reminds me of Team USA when we were in Egypt right after 911. During the whole trip, including the site seeing, where one went we all went. Nobody ventured out alone. We were a team before, during and afte the tourney.
Everyone is beatable, sooner or later, somehow at sometime. Study hard, train harder and pull even harder.
All the best.
Jim
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 7, 2009 10:38:11 GMT -5
Another point that Engin mentioned is that a user can simply plan their cycle around the time that they know they will possibly be tested. So... you would actually need to test the competitors every 3 months so that would be $80,000 a year. I don't even know if there is that much prize money given away in the whole sport each year? What is the point in saying all of this? There is not enough money in the sport to make a real difference. Steroids is something we'll have to live with. . Nice post Anthony, and Engin is right somethings can be timed, but eventually greed will get them and they will get caught. Also dont believe everything you hear about exactness of how fast something moves out of the body and only the real sophisticated might have clearing agents. But its better to have something in place than to not. No you cant test all year round like that unless there was huge sponsors backing the sport, but you can do a good portion of people at a nationals. what makes the nationals the right choice is its a tournament that has been on place for years to determine the best and to go to the worlds you need to be clean and place anyway. Yes you can argue there are better pro's that dont pull Nationals, but than we can argue they could also they could be dirty. There will always be debate ,So lets not argue AND start somewhere. There can be the pros and the national WAF champions and with the pros there will always be the perception , but at least it maybe a step to separate a little.. |
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Post by Max Moore on Aug 7, 2009 10:40:01 GMT -5
For 'I THINK' you have chosen quite a filthy vocabulary to express your thoughts. What would your English teacher think after reading your original post? I train over 100 young girls and boys. They are inspired by all the greats of this sport. If Arsen lost to Travis, none of them would have contribute it to Travis being juiced. All the perks that elite russian pullers might be getting from their local governments and sponsors would disappear and never come back if one fails the test. For these athletes, this sport is their life. They do it full time. They cannot fall back on their banking, factory, teaching jobs. Their distinguished sports titles are given by the order of minister of sports in Moscow. They are truly famous, as world champion in skiing, wrestling, diving, chess or any other sport would be. Entire Turkish team would be banned if someone fails. This is why testing is being done in Turkey and Russia on national levels. Take a 154 lb russian girl Irina Makeeva. I would go on a limb and say that she would destroy 80% of male members of this board, of all ages, weight classes, and ego levels. Would anyone dare to call her a juicer? After all the national, european, world titles, and tests that come with them, she is still a stellar example for anyone to follow. I would be pissed if one of my students lost hir/her title to a juicer, but this is not the place and form to point fingers and make accusations based on 'I THINK' Report from Doping Committee At the 2007 Worlds in Bulgaria ? We had 1 person test positive DZAMBOLAT TSORIEV from Russia has been suspended for 2 years until December 31, 2009 At the 2008 European Championship in Norway We had 3 people test positive TIMUR BICHILOV Russia, OLGA GAVRILOVA, Russia and SOFIYA AKHMETGAREEVA, Russia. They were all given 2 year suspension until August 31, 2010. We do 20 tests at the World level and 30 tests at the European Level for a total of 50 tests per year. To date, we have done 200 tests and have had 15 positive. 7 from Russia 1 from Slovakia 1 from Brazil 2 from Latvia 1 from Romania 1 from Bulgaria 1 from Uzbekistan 1 from Ukraine Please note that all tests are conducted by luck of the draw --------------- I THINK.....That's not bad for luck of the draw!!!...No wonder you have to have hundreds of students. You ask about crystal balls and proof, why bother with the crystal balls? I thought 2004 was a good year for Russia also w/11 gold medal disqualifications: www.armsport.com/2004wafresults.htmlXXV World Championships - Sao Paulo, Brazil - October 12 - 16, 2004Men's Right Hand 63kg Bolotaev Vladimir Russia disqualified Ray Hennerichs USA Khubaev Georgy Russia Paulo Morbio Brazil Men's Right Hand 70kg Zoloev Khadzhimurat Russia disqualified Carlos Eduardo Rodriges Brazil Andrea Jozeiph Egypt Anderson Da Silva Brazil Men's Right Hand 78kg Tcherski Maxim Russia disqualified Steve Inelo Brazil Craig Tullier USA Mike West USA Men's Right Hand 86kg Filippov Roman Russia disqualified Giuliano Pareja Brazil Claudio Joaquim Brazil Prokudin Nikolay Russia Men's Right Hand 95kg Albegov Igor Russia disqualified James Battles USA Muriev Viatcheslav Russia Marcos Roberto Brazil Men's Right Hand 105kg Kachmazov Slavik Russia disqualified Luciano Baroz Brazil Blaine Middleton USA Heleno Araugo Brazil Men's Right Hand 105+kg Kodzasov Sergey Russia disqualified Daniel Santiago Brazil Glauco Prior Brazil Galvez Diego Argentina Women's Right Hand 49kg Baloeva Dzerassa Russia disqualified Maria Latancia Brazil Cristina Bognar Brazil Women's Right Hand 54kg Gabueva Luiza Russia disqualified Rasstrizhenkova Irina Russia Luciane Mitica Brazil Patricia Monteiro Brazil Women's Right Hand 60kg Gladkaya Irina Russia disqualified Cris Rejeine Brazil Larina Ekaterina Russia Maria Jorge Brazil Women's Right Hand 67kg Gavrilova Olga Russia disqualified Maraline Pardin Brazil Clelia Goulant Brazil Andrea Paul USA ------------------------- You're attempt to divert the subject by pulling in variables as testicle removing and avatar insults is childish in itself. Your comments against my character will not be forgotten. I'm not scared of you nor am I impressed with ANY armwrestling athlete with positive doping results. You ask what would my English teacher say, well obviously other people agree steroid users are "motherf*ckers, b*stards, weak *&&%&"... from a Variety of countries right after my original post. Good day to you. wow! i wasnt aware that there have been so many. damn. good info Fournier. |
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Having said that just because you are able to train the next day doesn't mean your muscles have recovered to be able to get the full effect. That's where the difference is steroids as well as some other drugs reduce cell recover time in a false manner. I do want to say along with Engin that unless you know it's just wrong to accuse someone of ANYTHING! Believe it or not over the years I have seen people who looked like Arsen (Except for that amazinjg forearm) who I know did no drugs. GOD just made them that way, and they put in the hard hours to enhance what they were given. I know that Guys has personal knowledge of some of the pullers doing roids, but I believe some of you are just spouting off.All I will say is that next time someone spouts off about you for any reason remember WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND! I am for the record very much against Peds in any sport any venue. But the reality is that we do have to deal with them 
Get over it and pull your heart out so you will be satisfied with what you do
