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Post by enginterzi on Aug 7, 2009 10:57:59 GMT -5
Charlie, The avatar is in good humor. As far as trying to make myself look cooler, I don't think so. He's already proven he'll go the distance, so I don't think my accusations are out of realm. Jun 21, 4:41 PM (ET) STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - A Russian armwrestler was disqualified for cheating at a European competition after attempting to move to a lower weight class by sending a lookalike to the weigh-in, officials said Thursday. Arsen Liliev tried to enter the 154-pound weight class at the European championships being held in Lycksele, northern Sweden, but weighed 4.4 pounds too much, said Andreas Johansson, chairman of the Swedish Armsport Association. Liliev decided to try again, but this time he sent a "lookalike" to replace him at the weigh-in, Johansson said. The impostor, who was also Russian, passed the weight control, but officials discovered the fraud before the competition started, he said. "They resemble each other but it didn't work," Johansson said. "Arsen Liliev is disqualified from the competition while the other competitor received a warning." The European championships end Sunday. ------------ Yeah, they're a tight team alright. even this post shows that it is not about being anti doping but about Arsen beating Travis last weekend.it started with steroid use then no proof could be provided,but then other positive tested athletes were tried to be used as a proof,nope didnt work,now something totally different is being used to attack Liliev and i realise that it had nothing to do with being anti doping but something about the last saturday. what is next? Arsen stole an apple from the neigbour's tree when he was 5 years old? |
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 7, 2009 11:05:02 GMT -5
^^^^ I actually think that is more funny as a young kid trying to sneak in, rather than bad.
Like jerry cadorette use to try at the Can Ams weighing in while holding a shower curtain to make lower class.
I think Fournier is trying to paint big picture and it just happened to be Liliev in that story
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 7, 2009 11:24:20 GMT -5
That was EAF 2 years ago.. . yes but it has nothing to do with steroid Andrew. you keep on trying to bring Travis into this. It really has nothing to do with Travis. Just my 2 cents on steroid abuse. He gained 40-50 lbs. of muscle in 2 years. he did not gain 40-50 pounds of muscle,it is not true.he was 180-182 pounds and was dieting down to 165 (that is why he couldnt make the weight and made that mistake) and 171 but he was mostly losing water.as the competetion day he was near 180 pounds again since there was enough time to put the water back. in 2006 WAF i weighed 165 pounds but on the competetion day with right arm(4 days later) i was 178 pounds already. so Arsen is lately pulling 187 pounds as he will pull again next month at the WAF.in Istanbul we ate like pigs and i am sure even Travis gained someweight over here. the reason that i think its about the last weekend,is that i can name countless top pullers with huge weight jumps but i am not going to do that.what i think is wrong that is why only him is on the target while there are many others in similar situations from your own country as well? is it about steroid ? or Arsen being praised? or what? show me 3 more example of the top pullers but from USA and i will not doubt that its about the steroids only and has nothing to do with Arsen personally.you are anti doping guy and when you look around all you see is Arsen,but no one from near you ? Andrew, let us close this subject.once again i am not discussing with you about your guesses being right or wrong i am only discussing about the double standarded judgements. |
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Post by Charlie Minell on Aug 7, 2009 14:42:00 GMT -5
Great post Engin! You nailed it. But also don't forget that accusing, attacking, or just being disrespecting to the greats of our sport draw attention to the brave and cool dude who are being disrespecting. That's not a new phenomenon around here. And hey... it might even draw some attention to your new spectacular avatar that indirect might make people think you're an even cooler dude... Charlie, The avatar is in good humor. As far as trying to make myself look cooler, I don't think so. He's already proven he'll go the distance, so I don't think my accusations are out of realm. Jun 21, 4:41 PM (ET) STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - A Russian armwrestler was disqualified for cheating at a European competition after attempting to move to a lower weight class by sending a lookalike to the weigh-in, officials said Thursday. Arsen Liliev tried to enter the 154-pound weight class at the European championships being held in Lycksele, northern Sweden, but weighed 4.4 pounds too much, said Andreas Johansson, chairman of the Swedish Armsport Association. Liliev decided to try again, but this time he sent a "lookalike" to replace him at the weigh-in, Johansson said. The impostor, who was also Russian, passed the weight control, but officials discovered the fraud before the competition started, he said. "They resemble each other but it didn't work," Johansson said. "Arsen Liliev is disqualified from the competition while the other competitor received a warning." The European championships end Sunday. ------------ Yeah, they're a tight team alright. Andrew, it's not very difficult to see the underlying causes of your post, since you formulated yourself like that. I don't understand how you can jump to the conclusion that he is or was on something because he missed a weight class two years ago, and let someone else do the weight ins for him. That's an accusation without an objective reason, don't you think? Where's the evidence? And when we're on it.. isn't it kind of narrow-minded (maybe even immoral?) to only accuse the biggest and most successful athletes when there are almost as many users in the lighter weight classes? Either you and the rest of the accusing people are fooling yourselves by thinking otherwise... or you're aware of it, but just don't get enough attention by accusing someone that's far from being on topic at the moment. I'm sure, that if you noticed a suspicious steroid user at the Worlds, attending the 121 lbs class and competing for another country than the mentioned ones, you would not be this upset. And if you would mention it on the board you would definitely not write a post in that incredibly disrespecting manner. Isn't that double standards? Or isn't that an indication that your reaction wasn't mainly a result from your hate for steroid users in general? And Andrew... you would NEVER dare to say these words (that he's a juicin mutha fu*ka) standing infront of him. You are saying these words behind your computer screen. Do you know what that means? |
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Post by Mat Helmer on Aug 7, 2009 18:46:17 GMT -5
Arsen stole an apple from the neigbour's tree when he was 5 years old. Arsen steals apples too?  Wow!  |
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Post by James Battles on Aug 7, 2009 20:00:40 GMT -5
Alright everyones wasted far to much time talking about this or that. Here is a link with some informative discussion even if some of it is really ignorant sounding. In reality no question is ignorant. The discussion is about the use of something that I believe Engin pointed out there is very little testing to reveal. No accusations towards anyone. Just a discussion of how it has grown in the competative field and what is the cutting edge and obviously the discussion of how testing for steroids is outdated because they are not the cutting edge anymore. Hence forth my viewpoint of the Olympics which is not up for discussion. Enjoy some positive reading of the cutting edge . If you read all the comments you will notice who is curious and who is deeply involved. www.thesage-speaks.com/igf-1-insulin-like-gowth-factor-explained/#comment-25388 |
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Post by Andrew Fournier on Aug 7, 2009 21:53:00 GMT -5
Charlie, The avatar is in good humor. As far as trying to make myself look cooler, I don't think so. He's already proven he'll go the distance, so I don't think my accusations are out of realm. Jun 21, 4:41 PM (ET) STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - A Russian armwrestler was disqualified for cheating at a European competition after attempting to move to a lower weight class by sending a lookalike to the weigh-in, officials said Thursday. Arsen Liliev tried to enter the 154-pound weight class at the European championships being held in Lycksele, northern Sweden, but weighed 4.4 pounds too much, said Andreas Johansson, chairman of the Swedish Armsport Association. Liliev decided to try again, but this time he sent a "lookalike" to replace him at the weigh-in, Johansson said. The impostor, who was also Russian, passed the weight control, but officials discovered the fraud before the competition started, he said. "They resemble each other but it didn't work," Johansson said. "Arsen Liliev is disqualified from the competition while the other competitor received a warning." The European championships end Sunday. ------------ Yeah, they're a tight team alright. even this post shows that it is not about being anti doping but about Arsen beating Travis last weekend.it started with steroid use then no proof could be provided,but then other positive tested athletes were tried to be used as a proof,nope didnt work,now something totally different is being used to attack Liliev and i realise that it had nothing to do with being anti doping but something about the last saturday. what is next? Arsen stole an apple from the neigbour's tree when he was 5 years old? I just wanted to apologize about this too. It had nothing to do with steroids. He's done a great job not making lightweight in 2007 EAF to making Travis his little B*tch this year. |
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Post by Ryan Phillips on Aug 8, 2009 0:08:54 GMT -5
Arsen stole an apple from the neigbour's tree when he was 5 years old thats horrible. note to self - dont let arsen near your apple tree. |
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Post by Ty Kissner on Aug 8, 2009 0:32:42 GMT -5
Charlie, The avatar is in good humor. As far as trying to make myself look cooler, I don't think so. He's already proven he'll go the distance, so I don't think my accusations are out of realm. Jun 21, 4:41 PM (ET) STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - A Russian armwrestler was disqualified for cheating at a European competition after attempting to move to a lower weight class by sending a lookalike to the weigh-in, officials said Thursday. Arsen Liliev tried to enter the 154-pound weight class at the European championships being held in Lycksele, northern Sweden, but weighed 4.4 pounds too much, said Andreas Johansson, chairman of the Swedish Armsport Association. Liliev decided to try again, but this time he sent a "lookalike" to replace him at the weigh-in, Johansson said. The impostor, who was also Russian, passed the weight control, but officials discovered the fraud before the competition started, he said. "They resemble each other but it didn't work," Johansson said. "Arsen Liliev is disqualified from the competition while the other competitor received a warning." The European championships end Sunday. ------------ Yeah, they're a tight team alright. even this post shows that it is not about being anti doping but about Arsen beating Travis last weekend.it started with steroid use then no proof could be provided,but then other positive tested athletes were tried to be used as a proof,nope didnt work,now something totally different is being used to attack Liliev and i realise that it had nothing to do with being anti doping but something about the last saturday. what is next? Arsen stole an apple from the neigbour's tree when he was 5 years old? Can you say NUTSWINNGER, You havent shut up about the guy since he beat Travis........... said it a million times, roids are here and its clear they will be for a longtime... ACCOUNTABILITY is what needs to be the focus here, You have two choices PLAY CLEAN or ROLL THE DICE and TAKE SOMETHING, PERIOD as for who is doing it or who isnt, does it really matter the obvious ones are noticeable, it may CHAP YOUR ARSE that some guy has elevated testosterone levels, but what can you do, piss and moan about it or bend over and take it up the tailpipe...for some reason alot of ppl like to go with option A..... As for semerenko, who the fu*k cares and what exactly was in his system, was it an anabolic compound or just some 46 letter word that means nothing to the average human but can be found in a pack of sinus medication? Lastly I like to gamble and this is directed right at Engin, Guy, the other russian guy talking about Fouriners Cahonnes and anybody else that wants to jump on the stop pointing the finger bandwagon...... I will take 500 us dollars of my own money and bet it against the group collectivley that IF YOU PISS TESTED ALL 10 of the top 10 armwrestlers ranked by Mr. TERZI around the time of les say RENO or Nemiroff Cup more than 50% of them would fail that test... |
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Post by Ty Kissner on Aug 8, 2009 0:34:58 GMT -5
Image of Arsen  perhaps the greatest set of man titties I have ever seen, I bet he gets purplr nurpled on a regular basis..... ;D  |
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Post by Sarah Backman on Aug 8, 2009 4:17:33 GMT -5
IT'S SO RIDICULOUS TO HAVE THAT PIC UPLOADED OF ARSEN and "re-do" it in paint, HOW OLD ARE YOU GUYS? GROWN UP MEN DONT DO LIKE THIS.
It's every people's choice to use roids or not and it's so tragic to discuss only 1 man of the MILLIONS of people who are living on this earth. Like Engin said, if you despreately need the whole world to know what you think about one person (attack), tell us the other men in your mind as well (if you are brave enough) or SHUT UP...
To talk negative about 1 person on a board where everybody can read, who is not even tested positive is SO silly!
As written already in the thread, NO ONE OF YOU WOULD NEVER BE MAN ENOUGH TO TELL ALL THIS crap TO ARSEN IN REAL LIFE !!! Never!
God Bless Arsen if he ever read this thread in his life. I'm a baby girl in compareness but I would be very disapointed and sad of the "armwrestling family" and I actually think that everybody would be sad reading/seeing this of ourselves.
I don't say someone is using or not, I'm not interested and it's not my business, but one thing is so f**king clear here.
YOU ALL ARE SO JEALOUS OF ARSEN, beacuse he is a damn good looking man with the sexiest body, EVER ! And not only that, HE DOMINATE THE WORLD OF ARMWRESTLING AS WELL!
Ofcourse that sticks in you!!!
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 8, 2009 4:49:07 GMT -5
Ty, the nuts are all over on your tongue more often than people touches them since you cant stop talking about them.you must like the taste i guess.just stop pleasing people for the sake of a stupid popularity everytime i am discussing something.you can please them in private ways instead of trying to gain popularity from me.just go train compete do something in armwrestling.i know you will not become something good but still if you save your energy for training you can become from no one to an average puller at least. i actually thought of you when Charlie posted this; Great post Engin! You nailed it. But also don't forget that accusing, attacking, or just being disrespecting to the greats of our sport draw attention to the brave and cool dude who are being disrespecting. That's not a new phenomenon around here. And hey... it might even draw some attention to your new spectacular avatar that indirect might make people think you're an even cooler dude... giving the credit when its due is not being a nut swinger but you giving head to satisfy all the people who would like to read what you wrote.you giving head to people for free (actually for popularity) is a great thing to do.i am tired of you being trying to gain popularity from me.you are someone who has nothing to do with armwrestling except talking cheap.the person that i commend is a future legend,not a potato bag as yourself.nut swinger? he sees me as 3 of the legends in this sport with Brzenk and Gashevski and you potato bag call me nut swinger.i see a future great and support him but you guys are so jealous that even lost the control of the dosage about your opinions.its normal because from where you are at its not possible to judge up here.maybe you shut up and do something in armwrestling before dare to discuss armwrestling over here.who are you? no one actually one who is trying to satisfy himself by talking like an author while knowing nothing. because you are this type of person.you want to do something but just cant be good enough so you choose easier way to be popular and do these kind of sh.t.i feel sorry for you because you are a huge zero but acting like you are some thing. everytime i am in a subject ooops the potato bag is there, "let me be a key board again and say a few none sense things in a confident way so people will think that i am some sh.t since i will not have to face the person in reality.by this i am gaining the popularity that i will never gain in armwrestling" Travis is the one who lost to Arsen but look at how he handled the defeat and how some of you are behaving.Travis must be a follower as well.in fact its about jealousy of you guys; Arson Liliev - I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I to am tired of excuses that result from "SUPERMATCHES" and you will never here one from me, The truth is that Arson is as good as anyone that has ever ARMWRESTLED period! I was impressed with his balance at the table, his hand and wrists were solid, and most all, his Timing is GREAT!!!!!! Thanks for all the excuses form the AMERICAN board, I do admit it helps me sleep!!!!!!!!!! P.S. I am more impressed with how HUMBLE, RESPECTFUL, INTELLIGENCE, and most of all MATURE Mr. LILIEV is off the table! I still hate him, but I hate JOHN BRZENK just as much! Ty,get it in your mind,you are nothing.so behave according to this.and stop trying to be popular by being keyboard warrior. |
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 8, 2009 5:12:13 GMT -5
Sarah,
more i told them that its not about opinions being right or wrong but about the double standarded judgement.none of them could say the similar things about their very best pullers even though if they believed in that way.it has nothing to do with steroids since if they could be a little objective then they could have seen around themselves as well.
they all act like its the first time that ever heard such thing in their lives,they even didnt attack on Semerenko who tested positive.
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Post by Alexander Pozdnyakov on Aug 8, 2009 6:39:09 GMT -5
Pete. Shame on you even if you tried to do it in good humor.
Andrew, yes you did crack our secret training formula. In Stalin's days I would have executed for letting you on the details. We take 100 kids from their families. Put them on steroid and hgh enriched diets. At 14-15 amazing changes start to take place. Their voices change, some start to grow hair in some places, many start beating their coaches after just 6 months in the sport. In our hush-hush circles we call this phenomenon PUBERTY.
But these 12 and 13 year old are smart. After reading your posts, they are the ones who concluded, that this middle aged american (sorry but in Russia with average life expectancy at 59, they placed you in that category) only trashes people he has no intentions on crossing paths with.
Before any of them start pulling, they have to learn to respect other athletes, refs, coaches and rules(even if they do not like them) that this sport is governed by. Until sample B tests positive,
please show some respect. These kids are inspired by their club members bringing 2 golds from Canada, 6 golds and 3 silvers from the europeans.
I am as pissed at steroid presence as anybody here. Maybe current testing is not enough, but it is step in the right direction of weeding out the cheats.
As far as Arsen is concerned, here are my thoughts. If a healthy 18 year old boy, spends 4 years of just eating, training, resting and competing and does not show growth comparable to Arsen's, that boy was given a weaker blend of genes by mom and pop. I have observed Arsen over the last 4 years. The growth was gradual and not an overnight. Lets not compare his dieted down body 2-3 years ago to off-season shape today. If you think his change is drastic, you should look at hundreds of thousands of russian 18 year olds who get drafted to the army as boys and 2 years later as mature, strong both mentally and physically men. And that with all the malnutrition russian army is notorious for.
Lets keep it clean.
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Post by brzenk on Aug 8, 2009 8:44:40 GMT -5
All this talk and all these allegations are nothing more than childish excuses.
“Why I’m not as good as the other GUY.
There has to be a reason why I’m not as good …”
Funny 30 years later and the talk is still the same.
No test will ever stop this ….
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Wow! 
