Leonard

[Chris Coletti]

Chris,
I hear a little bit of political correctness in your post

I think that we all should be able to voice opinions without any fear of repercussions. I am NOT saying this was the motivation behind your post but watch the tapes on ARMTV and then repeat what you just said.
Thanks.

I also think Leonard is reading and to a certain extent understanding that my posts have some validity to it. Leonard wields a big sword in this arena. He is not just a puller. He is a leader...leaders are followed.

[Jeremy Plaster]

ALL Leonard did was say who he thought had the current BEFORE TOURNEMENT rights to calling theirselves the top 154. NOTHING more. and only particular people are taking it as anything more than that. Chris were you there? If not why comment when you werent even there. Stop stirring the damn pot, it IS NOT cool at all. Cobra is a big boy and has no problems speaking for himself. Let whatever is between he and Engin STAY between he and Engin. I am searching and still cant find your place in this argument. What you asked leonard should have been asked in private if you really had concerns. Why you have such concerns for a man that didnt even go is beyond me. But you're out of line in my eyes.

As for Jerome..lol Good luck, you'll need it

[Chris Coletti]

Jerome will be fun...I like him and have taken his advice often at tournaments.

Why should I care about this when I wasn't there? Are you being serious or messing with me? ;D

I will soon be pulling on tables that may very well be reffed by some of the guys who reffed this one. I know two of them personally and feel as though they are great Ref's. I think K Michal is one of the best out there.

I am still being placed as an AAA puller. Is there a cause for concern? Call the LA boys and ask them. Let me know what you hear.

[enginterzi]

Cobra said:

my. friend,
as i told you after our match............you ARE strong in "your position" as far as the rest I am not upset by your BULLcrap and am not going to cry and REMOVE myself from this mesage board because someone said something i did not like...... i do not come off like that nor is that my fiber........mr' chris collet ..........your friend have good ears ..........and there is more ..........but i have won my share Andrew Rhodes will be fine if he never pull again.............please do not sweat for me...........there is no need for private e-mail or calls on phones..........YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME.........ENGIN you are out of Line........As for Leonards prediction as for who "THE MAN" is ENGIN . I cannot comment as a pro. I do not wanna ruin my fun....................THEY PICKED THE WRONG SCAB>>>>>>>>>>

and also there is no need to make ppl write onthis board aboutthings that you werent brave enough to write for yourself.amadeo came to me andconfessed that youmade himwrite all those things.the good aboutme i write and stand behind of my thoughts and beliefs.

also there was no need to lie about travis visiting you andyou beating him.travisalso confessed that it was a lie.talking about pro now??or being childish??

[Ryan Thames]

Chris i totally understand your comments. I to want to know what to expect at unifieds. But, i do believe Leneord has the right to make his judgment. If Leneord is a legit ref then he will make the call unbiased. Regardless of his position. I do thik the whole referees discretion on whether or not position was gained is a crappy rule and needs to be reconsidered.
Maybe. There are some parts i do understand. I understand people may think that he made a call based on his opinoin. People have the right to that opinion to. Refs do make bad calls. No offence to the refs but this vegas tournament was very evident of the flaws in that, in my opinoin.

[Chris Coletti]

For the record. Do I think Leonard blatantly was saying he would make sure Engin would win - NO. I just think Leonard exhibited poor judgement in making his statement public.

One more thing, After reconsidering and putting more logical thought into it (Over emotional).
I believe Christopher Myers is 100% DEAD WRONG in his post. Travis Bagent is NOT the reason armwrestling has moved into the spotlight. Armwrestling is in the spotlight on tv thanks to Dave Devoto!!! Devoto paid for the ESPN coverage of the Unified Nationals, Devoto got Fox to cover the Pull at the Plaza last year and because of the viewing Fox covered it again. Think about why we were on Wide World of Sports years ago and I think you may come up with the same answer.

Travis is part of the game but Devoto is the Commissioner.

[leonard]

Chris what is your number so I can call you.

[leonard]

Ryan, I have posted this before but sometimes it gets lost in all the clutter. The rules at Unified will not be the same as the rules at the Plaza. We used USAA rules at the Plaza because they did not want matches stopped and restarted. Even with my liberal elbow rules, they still complained that we stopped too many matches. At the Unified we will use WAF rules because if you can't win under those rules you cannot win in Tokyo. Go to the World Armwrestling Federation site and down load the complete rules and look them over. That is what will be used in Little Rock.
Now about Vegas I would like to say that yes we will miss calls but if they make a call it is based on what they have seen. Go on ARMTV like I have and look at any tournament, even small ones and you will see missed calls. I believe that with the caliber and intensity of the matches, our referees did a great job. Does that mean that I will not make some adjustments based on the tape? Yes I will, the video is a great tool to sharpen the job of the referees. ;D

[Ryan Thames]

cool deal leonard thanx.

[Bill Collins]

Chris
You’re either a funny man or your pissing in the wind.
I’ve seen several comments and it’s obvious that you haven’t done your research, not only to the fact below but other postings as well..

Chris wrote:
If you believe that your ref's as any ref's can't be influenced by you I am afraid you are mistaken. The reason you are you is because you have leadership qualities and can get people to listen and take seriously your words.

Leonard wields a big sword in this arena. He is not just a puller. He is a leader...leaders are followed.


Your words are written with such confidence, but needless to say they are misleading and inaccurate.

Speaking as a referee

Leonard shall not dictate or influence the referee’s as to who, what, when or where a puller shall win. Each referee is responsible for thier own action.

Leonard and I are on the USA board and we both have a difference of opinion and are “not” influenced by each other, ask him. Please do not put everybody in that same category.

[Chris Coletti]

Bill,
sorry if you took it that way. Just looking at the human aspect. You are correct that it was too all inclusive and for that I apologize.

[Bill Collins]

Chris,
Thanks for the call,

I’ve known Leonard for years and we both worked each other events, being in a high profile referee position, it’s not his demeanor to influence or make per judgments on a referee decision.
I’d never work him or anybody else if they tried to influence a referee.

[Keith Michel]

Well I guess it was just a matter of time. But you got to love it !!

Before the show its all about the talking smack between the wrestlers. I'll get you, you can't touch me !!

Now, its this ref did this and this ref did that. You cheatin bastards !! You did this wrong !! The rules suck !! You like him better.
I say be a better wrestler study the rules !!

I've really heard it all in the twenty one years of being a referee of sorts. I do not favor any wrestler on the table as some people have said. I don't care who wins. I just look at the bodys and arms and say ready...go. You make the foul and I'll call it. A wise man said, " I may miss a foul, but I will not make one up". ;D L ;D

I believe I did the best I could at Vegas. It was a tough show to from a referees point of view. You get wore out reffing just as bad as the wrestlers do. Thats not an excuse though. A ref has to be as sharp from beginning to end. Consistency is the holy grail.

I do not walk on water. I just wear a different shirt, thats all.

Keith Michel

[Pete & Tim]

I love how everyone is getting on Leonard and the other ref's for their own or someone elses misfortune in Vegas. What ever happened to armwrestling? Why do we even bother if we think the ref's are playing favoritism? I'll tell you why. We go because we love the sport as a whole. We love the hype before and during the tournament, but as of lately, alot of people have been crying about the after. What is wrong with everyone? First it starts off with "Cobra wouldn't have lost to Engin if he was ready " then " Travis' display of disrespect should not be tolerated", you know what guys, deal with it!!! Things are gonna happen whether you like it or not. Cobra wasn't ready for the ready go.... oh well. He should have been. Travis makes a comment that was unsportsmanlike. Throw him out. Don't say "Well, we were on Television and didn't want to blah blah blah". Do It!!! Otherwise you guys are no better than the crying armwrestlers. Leonard should not be attacked for his actions out in Vegas, if anything, Travis should be thanking him for allowing him to continue to compete after his unsportsmanlike conduct. And as far as Leonard and his call making the only thing I have to add about that is you try doing his job and see how well you can do it. No one is perfect and if they were than no one would cry. If you get a bad call from a ref then train harder and just win next time. If we all get up and start crying over technicalities, then we are all a bunch of losers. Armwrestling is making extraordinary strides as of lately and we all need to be on the same page. Otherwise we are going to watch the parade go by.


So get on board or get lost!!!

[STEVE PHIPPS]

AMEN ! to Plaster, Leonard, Keith, Bill and Pete.