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Post by Pete & Tim on Jun 14, 2005 18:20:33 GMT -5
Just a little too early to pick Cleve over Travis, in my opinion.
I think right now, Travis would come out on top with a 4-1 victory. Cleve would win the one match due to Travis' comfortableness in the first match. After getting over this problem, he will then proceed to win "Four Straight!!!"
Just my opinion!!!
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Post by Willie Reagan on Jun 14, 2005 18:21:27 GMT -5
TRAVIS
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Post by Kevin Schneider on Jun 14, 2005 18:44:25 GMT -5
No disrespect to Cleve , but Travis would win all 5 IF he wanted to.
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Post by Willie Reagan on Jun 14, 2005 18:48:44 GMT -5
Point well made Kevin, I mean no disrespect to Cleve either. I just feel that Travis is the man to beat anywhere, anytime!
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Post by Chris Coletti on Jun 14, 2005 19:43:04 GMT -5
Cleve will not pull until he is ready and when he is ready Travis won't touch him. The problem with Travis is lately he hasn't been that dominant a force he once was. With his personality he can't afford to lose. Like Mike Tyson you can go from "the man" to "a circus act" in a matter of months if your not winning. I think that might be the reason for the recent challenges...He has lost a bit of the spotlight and needs to regain it. I know of several big name pullers Travis has called to train with...I would think with his confidence he wouldn't need a coach. He needs Cleve more than Cleve needs him...If I was Cleve I would tell Travis to go win the 100+ world titles Cleve has and then challenge him...Like they say in that movie "Waynes World" "I'm not worthy...I'm not worthy"  It's all about the respect for the game...Cleve has it and won't pull until he is on...I don't know of anyone who understands how to get there better than him. No disrespect meant to Travis he is a good puller...Cleve is a great one. |
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Post by Pete & Tim on Jun 14, 2005 21:45:23 GMT -5
If Cleve's intention was to not pull Travis until he was ready, then why did he agree to do it at all. I think he should not have made the comments he made without being ready for any repercussions that might occur. I understand he is a legend, but some legends need to be put out to pasture.
Coletti, you refer to Travis as the "Mike Tyson" of armwrestling, and with that said, isn't Mike Tyson the one who knocked Larry Holmes on his ass for trying to get back into it with the young bucks? I may be wrong, but I truly think that Cleve should have kept his feelings inside until he was ready. The last thing he should have done was go on "ARM T.V." and announce his plans and express his feelings.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Jun 14, 2005 21:46:16 GMT -5
Oh, and Travis is winning ten to three as of now, so I must not be the only one that thinks that way.
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Post by Gary Roberts on Jun 14, 2005 23:13:12 GMT -5
Cleve, said in a matter of words that he wasn't at his full capabilities at this moment and needs more training...then later on in the interview said that "travis should watch out...he's coming"
This was not calling out Trav today.
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Post by Rick Laton on Jun 15, 2005 8:57:37 GMT -5
I think that this one is going to be a "Joke". Cleve Dean is not on the same planet as Travis Bagent right now nor will he ever be there again. Back in "The Day" I do think that he may have beaten Travis but he has a 0% chance of beating Travis. I do think that he could get tremendously better as he gets back in shape and probably beat a LOT of good armwrestlers. However, Travis has too much speed and is too versatile to lose to Cleve. Their styles don't work well for Cleve. He would lose 100 out of 100 if Travis made up his mind to try to win them all. I have some footage from 1991 ? maybe of Cleve getting whacked by Brzenk and Goodrich. Both the same way. They grabbed him low, hooked him and hit him hard and he went straight down. Right and left handed. This was what, 15 years ago? Cleve looked much better then than he does now and he was on the "Comeback" then. Bottom line is I personally think that Travis will not have any problem at all with this match. Of course he wants the attention but I think he is just BORED. JMO.
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Post by Brian Bylbie on Jun 15, 2005 11:52:12 GMT -5
Rick good post, but I do believe Mr. Dean can and will be a force to reckon with in the future! As
stated in 1991 John and Gary beat him grabbing him low!
Do you all think Travis has enough horse power to grab Cleave low and hook him?
Do you think Travis' hand and Speed can over take Cleve's catcher Mitt?
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jun 15, 2005 12:57:58 GMT -5
Chris: As much as I hate to say it, but what spotlight has Travis lost? And how hasn't he been a dominant force lately? Lets see: 2nd to Voevoda Righty in Zloty in regular class, Crushed Voevoda lefty in January, beat Devon Laratt righty in their supermatch in March, o.k. lost to Devon and Slyvain lefty in the same meet, Crushed Ryan Espey a week or 2 later..Crushed (even though he lost once to Eric Woerfel) everyone lefty in Vegas, and lost on foul outs ( but got second) to John and Matt rghty in Vegas.....And AGAIN hate to admit it, But he did very well with his interview on The Best Damn Sports Show Period!
And i again hate to admit it but he was a factor( at my own expense...LOL..) in the Unfieds being shown 53 TIMES on ESPN instead of the once that they said they were going to show it.
Granted Cleve is making a comeback and has only been training 3 months but what about his last comeback? How did that go for him? 2001: 3rd master, YES he won lefty over me (2nd tourney back after breaking my arm), 4th Open right: 2003 I felt he shouldn't have shown because he wasn't feeling well, and told him so before the start of the Masters and left classes but: 3rd Masters right, 4th Open left, and 3rd Open right.
i will NOT include this year due to his comeback:
I will say that Cleve 15 yrs ago or longer WOULD beat Travis.
ANd if you think I am biased I did pick Voevoda to beat Travis Lefty in January, who know he would be so weak to lost to Travis, even in a hook....LOL
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Post by Pete & Tim on Jun 15, 2005 23:09:56 GMT -5
I am posting this from the other board for Cleve since he is not a member of this board and some of you may not go to that board and may want to know how he feels about things........
Cleve Dean wrote,
"First of all I would like to thank all of those that are supporting me so well and a special thank you to Chris Coletti for the very special message. as for those who have a very different opinion I respect those as well. However, no one has ever seen me at 100%. I fully believe that if my training is superior to any training I have ever done before and it is my full belief that the challenge match will only last for three matches. I will let most of you figure out what I mean by that. I know that several of you have referenced to Gary Goodrich and John Brezynk having beaten me my hooking low and pulling me down. Just a reminder that at Yukon Jack in 94 I fully believe that Gary and John were at there very best and we all know who won that day. It is totally amazing what a man can do with a strong enough will, the right training and a whole lot of prayer. I believe I have it all. Yours truly"
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Post by Andrew Fournier on Jun 15, 2005 23:33:48 GMT -5
After having met Cleve two weeks ago and watching him beat the snot out of all but 2 armwrestlers, I clearly believe that if he withholds from excepting a challenge from Travis right now and focuses on training for a longer period, he will have the genetic ability to prevent travis from winning. a hand like that....it could neutralize anything. Right now, Travis would get him. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Luke Pulscher on Jun 16, 2005 9:12:12 GMT -5
right now i dont think clive can handle the speed of travis.
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Post by Todd Coe on Jun 16, 2005 21:05:38 GMT -5
No disrespect to Travis, but if Cleve trains like he used to I would have to say his hand size and knowledge would win. not to mention Cleve is still strong as HELL!
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