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Post by David Owens on Jun 4, 2011 18:15:11 GMT -5
i see ne reason why a puller, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE, Cannot pull and support within there region as well. Theres just no reason, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That applies to some of my in state pullers as well. Support your local tournaments as well as the national and world class ones. After all, without the local, instate, and regional tournaments even the best pullers had to start somewhere. My vote is it should be mandatory to pull inside the region to be ranked! Theres no reason why they cant pull at least ONE every once in a while. Very easy to say but how many tournnaments outside of contrabands....the one you run...do you attend a year...how many out of state? Tk same question, t Times are tuff so supporting local is good but you two are in no way local for tim inman, even ky is a drive for them......fl has 80 tournaments a year so its real easy to pull in region every 6 months, va not quite as many It boils down to do we want to have a rankings where the best guys are not included because they go to the bigger events? Personally I'm. Not chasing number 6 I'm chasing number 1.......being number 1 without chad on the list is the equivelent of a paper champion |
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Jun 4, 2011 18:36:20 GMT -5
Love this guy. Do work Dave.
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Jun 4, 2011 20:47:47 GMT -5
i see ne reason why a puller, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE, Cannot pull and support within there region as well. Theres just no reason, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That applies to some of my in state pullers as well. Support your local tournaments as well as the national and world class ones. After all, without the local, instate, and regional tournaments even the best pullers had to start somewhere. My vote is it should be mandatory to pull inside the region to be ranked! Theres no reason why they cant pull at least ONE every once in a while. Very easy to say but how many tournnaments outside of contrabands....the one you run...do you attend a year...how many out of state? Tk same question, t Times are tuff so supporting local is good but you two are in no way local for tim inman, even ky is a drive for them......fl has 80 tournaments a year so its real easy to pull in region every 6 months, va not quite as many It boils down to do we want to have a rankings where the best guys are not included because they go to the bigger events? Personally I'm. Not chasing number 6 I'm chasing number 1.......being number 1 without chad on the list is the equivelent of a paper champion Last year I drove all the way to montana FOR UNIFIEDS from southern la buddy. Not to mention at the end of the year, i was doin some traiining in WY wednesday night, left thursday morning on a plain (almost snowed in) to coloroado to oklahoma city. Then drove from oklahoma city to jacksonville florida picking up teammates on the way for saturday morning. Dont EVER EVER GIVE me a speach again about traveling. You havent got a clue! BUT to clarify, in the 8 years ive been competing. I average 5 out of states a year and probably around 2-3 instate. Wasnt waiting on that were yA!! |
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Jun 4, 2011 20:54:14 GMT -5
By the way, just to clarify!!!!!!!!! I mean no disrespect to the elite top ranked pullers. Im just saying, help out the local tournaments with your support.
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Jun 4, 2011 20:57:40 GMT -5
That being said, its still rediculous have a rankings where the best are not recognized because of their choices of tournaments they show up to. Because im positive.....just talking regionals....if Chad, Matt, Simon would have showed it would have been theirs for the taking. That goes for Bath, Todd or anyone else at that level. Just being real....and im competitive as anyone. We can assume they would?.....  TK And it would only be an assumption, how many times do we see upsets. EVERY TOURNAMENT!! Seriously, 90 percent of the people wouldnt have thought Andrew Casto wouldve won that tournament. But what happened , he showed up and kicked A$$!!! There are no garuntees in armwrestling. Each win in each tournament proves who you are! |
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Jun 4, 2011 22:01:51 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he gave you no speech. Just a question, that you answered with shhht talking. I don't know you Chop, but I have seen you pull in alot of tourneys outside of your backyard. I think David was just giving an example. All this had to do with was why some people choose to pull outside their region.
If you want to not rank them....don't, but some may feel like David said, not right about being ranked ahead of a puller within their region they have not beaten, regardless of where they have attended tournaments.
BTW....when I was helping with the rankings in the very beginning. I voted Andrew Casto arguably #1 in the entire SE. You, TK and everyone else decided it was fitting for him to be either not ranked at all....or way down the list behind people he would destroy. So, it was really not suprising to me to see Casto do work like that in Maryland. I knew how good he was prior. He had just beaten Brent Rakers, James and other bigtime pullers leading up to that. Matter of fact there were people in that tournament calling him to win the thing before it ever started. Sometimes people need to listen. Andrew Casto is a baaaad example of an upset if you knew what he was capable of prior.
No matter what.....and no shhht, I think you guys collectively will do an outstanding job of doing rankings as time goes on. All this is .....is some conversation that will help steer this in the right direction going into the future.
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Jun 4, 2011 22:18:48 GMT -5
Im not tryin to talk sh!t just trying to clarify a very very often hit topic. I know how you feel. I dont know how my name got thrown in on it. Im sure it was a misunderstanding and im sure your right Aaron. Maybe i took it the wrong way. If so i apologize, BUT, i do get very tired of poeple talking about how La doesnt travel. Thats what definetly got me a lil upset when i seen that. As far as Andrew goes, yes, i will admit it, i did underrank him and he is a very talented puller. I think the rankings will do nothing but get people more active and involved. The whole reason i started the LA rankings is to get people more competitive and active and trust me its working. With that being said, i think these rankings will help out the S.E. region in the long run as well. It might p!ss off some people on the way  but will do nothing but good in the long run. |
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Jun 5, 2011 0:03:37 GMT -5
Fuc it man, no big deal.....I was just tryin to play moderator for some reason before we had another few pages of shhht talking like we've had on here before. I'm bored at home this evening and just jumping in on this whole thing, so, no need to apologise, you're good.
You're right, people are going to have different opinions and get mad along the way.....but, nobody needs to mother f*ck each other on here either. We've seen that before here and I've been a part of that mess and its counterproductive.....and right now, yall got a good thing going with the rankings and a collectively ran SE tournament here recently.
It's just time for everyone to open their eyes and think some of this through and make sure decisions are made in the best interest of everyone in the SE and you're d@mn right, it will do nothing but good in the long run.
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Post by TK on Jun 5, 2011 9:31:44 GMT -5
Fuc it man, no big deal.....I was just tryin to play moderator for some reason before we had another few pages of shhht talking like we've had on here before. I'm bored at home this evening and just jumping in on this whole thing, so, no need to apologise, you're good. You're right, people are going to have different opinions and get mad along the way.....but, nobody needs to mother f*ck each other on here either. We've seen that before here and I've been a part of that mess and its counterproductive.....and right now, yall got a good thing going with the rankings and a collectively ran SE tournament here recently. It's just time for everyone to open their eyes and think some of this through and make sure decisions are made in the best interest of everyone in the SE and you're d@mn right, it will do nothing but good in the long run. Aaron & David & Chop 4 way debate here. Aaron's one of the smartest guys in this sport.... Especially his area.... From time to time I'll call on him if I'm stumped...... On the put on notice for inactivity list, it's a list I'm creating to figure out the pullers and what are they doing within the region.....I've only posted the 154's so far.... I intend on bringing them all up..... Like chop was saying..... I'll use the example of when Wilton Brock not once but twice beat Ron Bath lefty..... Before that day started... It was Ron Baths tourney to lose..... Wilton had never came close to pinning Ron.....legends can fall...... I commend great pullers for only going to the bigger events.... Nats and worlds....UAL ..... How do we rank them fairly? It's my goal to do it right. We'll vote as a unit..... TK |
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Post by David Owens on Jun 5, 2011 10:52:31 GMT -5
Very easy to say but how many tournnaments outside of contrabands....the one you run...do you attend a year...how many out of state? Tk same question, t Times are tuff so supporting local is good but you two are in no way local for tim inman, even ky is a drive for them......fl has 80 tournaments a year so its real easy to pull in region every 6 months, va not quite as many It boils down to do we want to have a rankings where the best guys are not included because they go to the bigger events? Personally I'm. Not chasing number 6 I'm chasing number 1.......being number 1 without chad on the list is the equivelent of a paper champion Last year I drove all the way to montana FOR UNIFIEDS from southern la buddy. Not to mention at the end of the year, i was doin some traiining in WY wednesday night, left thursday morning on a plain (almost snowed in) to coloroado to oklahoma city. Then drove from oklahoma city to jacksonville florida picking up teammates on the way for saturday morning. Dont EVER EVER GIVE me a speach again about traveling. You havent got a clue! BUT to clarify, in the 8 years ive been competing. I average 5 out of states a year and probably around 2-3 instate. Wasnt waiting on that were yA!! Calm down big guy I wasn't saying you don't travel, I asked how many times you travel........reason being if you felt you were top ten in the nation your choices of places to travel to might drastically change, mine are changing as we speak.....after 2011 I will focus on ual and other big tourneys that I can chase down the top guys .....I pull "local" when I can but let's be honest I have pulled inside region and drove 12 hours to get there..so when it comes to a choice of pulling the big tournaments or the "local" tournaments the cost isn't much different and the reward greater If someone is inactive from the sport for 6 months I'm all for removing them but when they are active and pulling I just can't see taking people of the list for choosing the bigger events |
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Post by TK on Jun 5, 2011 11:09:20 GMT -5
Very bold and cocky statement. Last year I drove all the way to montana FOR UNIFIEDS from southern la buddy. Not to mention at the end of the year, i was doin some traiining in WY wednesday night, left thursday morning on a plain (almost snowed in) to coloroado to oklahoma city. Then drove from oklahoma city to jacksonville florida picking up teammates on the way for saturday morning. Dont EVER EVER GIVE me a speach again about traveling. You havent got a clue! BUT to clarify, in the 8 years ive been competing. I average 5 out of states a year and probably around 2-3 instate. Wasnt waiting on that were yA!! Calm down big guy I wasn't saying you don't travel, I asked how many times you travel........reason being if you felt you were top ten in the nation your choices of places to travel to might drastically change, mine are changing as we speak.....after 2011 I will focus on ual and other big tourneys that I can chase down the top guys .....I pull "local" when I can but let's be honest I have pulled inside region and drove 12 hours to get there..so when it comes to a choice of pulling the big tournaments or the "local" tournaments the cost isn't much different and the reward greater If someone is inactive from the sport for 6 months I'm all for removing them but when they are active and pulling I just can't see taking people of the list for choosing the bigger events Well the bigger question that comes with this will be? Can Tim Inman beat Jeremy Pappy who is the Regional champ?.....I will have that answer from Mr Rivas July 16 as him and Pappy will face at my venue. We know Arnolds is a prestigious event, who exactly did Tim beat to place at that tourney?... Due to it being Out of Region? These questions and more... But I seriously am 100% against just saying someone is no 1 just because of Legend...." Show me the money".... I have my heroes too..... But if they ain't pullin'..... They ain't ranking.. As for Aaron's theory on us hunting down a no 1 guy...... That's kinda far-fetched also.... Example and a funny one but bare with me:) If I think I can beat Travis Bagent, it would cost me an arm and a leg to challenge him...it would have costed us 1500.00 for us to bring him to Regionals..... That's a joke my friend.....that's why I say it's up to them to make themselves available within the Region..... Most folks ain't packing that kind of Dough..... They are men.... Human beings... IMO.... They have to defend their spot like chop said..... At least once within the region..... I'd love to bring that to a motion...... With at least 3 votes strong already..... It's fair!..... Make me believe otherwise? TK |
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Post by Gene Spiker on Jun 5, 2011 11:19:16 GMT -5
thats a great example... i was in agreeance in having to hunt number one down but after you made your example it gives me a different outlook on it thats a great point i agree with that 100%.... i couldnt see anyone paying $1500 just for someone to show. Thats crazy!!! your right you should saport your region... $1500 thats crazy... |
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Post by David Owens on Jun 5, 2011 11:57:48 GMT -5
I think the way you have it now is correct, travis and those guys separated from the region but not inactive, that acknoledges that they are there but let's us rank who is actively pulling in the region And you don't have to pay 1500 to pull travis, just travel to where he is gonna be ......he was in indy yesterday ,go getem tk |
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Post by TK on Jun 5, 2011 12:22:34 GMT -5
I think the way you have it now is correct, travis and those guys separated from the region but not inactive, that acknoledges that they are there but let's us rank who is actively pulling in the region And you don't have to pay 1500 to pull travis, just travel to where he is gonna be ......he was in indy yesterday ,go getem tk Loan me some $$ David and I'd be glad to hunt em' |
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Post by David Owens on Jun 5, 2011 15:31:43 GMT -5
I think the way you have it now is correct, travis and those guys separated from the region but not inactive, that acknoledges that they are there but let's us rank who is actively pulling in the region And you don't have to pay 1500 to pull travis, just travel to where he is gonna be ......he was in indy yesterday ,go getem tk Loan me some $$ David and I'd be glad to hunt em' I gotta be one of the poorest armwrestlers in the world right now so your barking up the wrong tree ;D |
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but will do nothing but good in the long run.