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Post by David Owens on Oct 25, 2011 21:48:43 GMT -5
and I just saw the "I hate you, you hate me thats fine"
well TK I don't hate you, I hate what your REALLY about and the way you go about some things but as a person I'm sure your a good guy....but I do hate being called a mother f@cker and a snake by someone who is 3000 miles away from me over a public forum for simply speaking my mind......so hate me all you want just show a little respect when you do it, you wanna say I'm a sucky armwrestler fine, you wanna call me a know it all fine, you wanna say you don't care about my opinion thats just fine but the rest was out of line
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Post by David Owens on Oct 25, 2011 21:53:22 GMT -5
well david you just hit that pole i was telling you about....not good... DANG what ever will I do now  |
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Post by Gene Spiker on Oct 25, 2011 21:58:49 GMT -5
this has gone way to far.....i beat a guy who beat a top ten guy...it is who beats who right... thats the truth... let it go tk...you better then this dude... david you always start something....take your drama and shove it... this craps not cool dude....
ps... no one likes you...
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Post by David Owens on Oct 25, 2011 22:03:35 GMT -5
this has gone way to far.....i beat a guy who beat a top ten guy...it is who beats who right... thats the truth... let it go tk...you better then this dude... david you always start something....take your drama and shove it... this craps not cool dude.... ps... no one likes you... DANG whatever will I do, we can't all have as many friends as TK  |
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Oct 25, 2011 22:34:47 GMT -5
according to those rules! John Portillo has a win on me each hand from unifieds, i beat him last right and he beat me last left! update it Last wins are there....you're ranked ahead of him....didnt know about other wins.... Not psychic fellas. Y'all are supposed to be helping... If I don't go I most likely won't know unless someone tells me. TK Not sayin you were. I just figured they told you everything since you put me below him left. I didnt even realize he was were he was right handed. I just caught it. He beat some top notch pullers. Truth is we are 1-1 right and 1-1 left, all pretty good matches. He is a beast. Im ok with him being over me left handed for now, he did beat me last and placed over me at the same tournament. I will get my revenge left  |
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Post by TK on Oct 26, 2011 5:13:52 GMT -5
and I just saw the "I hate you, you hate me thats fine" well TK I don't hate you, I hate what your REALLY about and the way you go about some things but as a person I'm sure your a good guy....but I do hate being called a mother f@cker and a snake by someone who is 3000 miles away from me over a public forum for simply speaking my mind......so hate me all you want just show a little respect when you do it, you wanna say I'm a sucky armwrestler fine, you wanna call me a know it all fine, you wanna say you don't care about my opinion thats just fine but the rest was out of line David Hate is a big word, And that's what comes out of your mouth when associated with me or my friends. If you noticed ive said nothing negative about you or your crew as armwrestlers. You like to argue.... I read a lot of your post on here. And you just irritate me like one of those mosquitoes that bites you but you can't seem to kill it but you can only swat at it? And it always seems I hear your junk after every tourney I put on?... It's funny.... Week after Souls you attack ME personally with a thread.....and then week after Saltwater you jump right onto Max's post and insult me and my friends.... Neither case did I start it? Go look in the mirror David, pause a second.... Before you post against me again.... YOU know the rules of these rankings!!!! You helped create them... You voted them in.... And then you gonna jump on here and make comments and stabs at my friends knowing this... And you feel good about yourself? I stand in the same spot..... I called you a Snake.... If a duck is a duck A snake is a snake Never seeing you again would be my pleasure, where you are at I will not be..., if we cross paths I'd doubt I'd even speak to you ... To be truthful ....I'm not a UFC fighter nor do I care to fight..... It's tougher for me cos I'm bigger than you in every way... Beating you up would make me look bad.... It would look like me beating up a little kid.... Like ive said.... Leave me alone I leave you alone..... Easy stuff right there! Try some positive direction, if not just be quiet. TK |
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Post by TK on Oct 26, 2011 7:06:55 GMT -5
****ACTIVITY**** 242+ RIGHT HAND
(inactive within region / active within nation)
1. TRAVIS BAGENT (WV)
2. DAVE RANDALL (GA)
3. MICHAEL TODD (ARK)
4. WILTON BROCK (FL)242+ RIGHT HAND ACTIVE WITHIN REGION 1. BRANDON BOULIN (LA)**** 2. KENT SHEPARD (TN)**** 3. CAREY NICKS (FL)**** 4. MATT BERTHRAND (LA)**** 5. JOHN PORTILLO (FL) 6. CHRISTIAN KIEBER (FL) 7. BUDDY GRIFFITH (FL)**** 8. CHUCK WESTBERRY (FL)**** 9. TODD KING (FL)**** 10. CARL BOWERS (FL)**** 11. TRAVIS ROBINSON (AL) 12. GENE SPIKER (FL) 13. RUSS FRANCIS (FL) 14. DAN BENOIT (FL)**** 15.WAYNE DE MATTHEWS (FL)**** 16. CHUCK HOFFMAN (FL)**** 17. PAUL WALTHER (NC)**** 18. GLENN BROOKS (AL)**** 19. JOHN PORTILLO (FL)**** 20. MICHAEL AVERY (NC)**** 21. BLAKE PERRY (TN)**** 22. LARRY COLLINS (FL) 242+ LEFT HAND
(INACTIVE WITHIN REGION / ACTIVE NATION)1. TRAVIS BAGENT (WV)
2. DAVE RANDALL (GA)
3. MICHAEL TODD (ARK)
4. WILTON BROCK (FL)242+ LEFT HAND (ACTIVE WITHIN REGION) 1. JOHN PORTILLO (FL)**** 2. MATT "CHOP" BERTHRAND (LA)**** 3. PAUL WALTHER (NC)**** 4. LARRY COLLINS (FL)**** 5. DAN BENOIT (FL) 6. CHRISTIAN KIEBER (FL)**** 7. TODD KING SR (FL)**** 8. CHUCK HOFFMAN (FL)**** 9. BUDDY GRIFFITH (FL)**** 10. GLENN BROOKS (AL)**** 11.. BRANDON BOULIN (LA) 12. SUNNY GAY (KY) 13. JOHNNY ORDONNE (LA)**** 14. MICHAEL AVERY (NC)**** 15. WAYNE DE MATTHEWS (FL)**** 16. RICKY DOUCET (LA)**** 17. CHUCK WESTBERRY (FL)**** 18. BLAKE PERRY (TN)**** 19. KENT SHEPARD (TN)**** 20. CARL BOWERS (FL)**** 21. CAREY NICKS (FL)**** 22. TRAVIS ROBINSON (AL) 23. GENE SPIKER (FL) 24. RUSS FRANCIS (FL) UPDATED SALTWATER CLASSIC OCT 22ND MOVED JOHN PORTILLO UP DUE TO HE GOT A WIN ON CHOP AT UNIFIEDS..CHOP HAD LAST WIN BEFORE DAY WAS OVER. MAX, OPINIONS ON WHO IS BETTER THAN WHO IS ALL WE GOT, I KNOW SOME OF THOSE PROBABLY COULD BEAT THE GUY AHEAD OF THEM, BUT I CAN'T CONTROL INACTIVITY OF CERTAIN PULLERS. I WISH I COULD. OURS RANKINGS ARE BUILT ON ACTIVITY, IF GUYS ARE OUT BEATING FOLKS RANKED, THEN I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE AT. AT REGIONALS SOME FL GUYS GOT SOME BIG WINS, THOSE SAME FL GUYS ARE PULLING ACTIVELY WITHIN OUR STATE AS WELL AND LOSSES AND WINS ARE HAPPENING. JOHN P, I APOLOGIZE TO JOHN P FOR MISSING HIS WIN OVER CHOP, I COULD ONLY BASE MY ADJUSTMENTS ON HOW THEY PLACED?....I DIDN'T GET MUCH FEEDBACK ON WHO BEAT WHO UNTIL YESTERDAY.... THANKS EVERYONE! IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHERE YOU ARE RANKED? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT....BEAT SOMEONE!  T/K |
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 26, 2011 8:43:39 GMT -5
guys i gotta say........... this was not at all what i was tryin to do when i brought this up. i was just tryin to point out what i had hoped was a mistake. i never intended to stir up this kinda banter. TK....if you REALLY think that Gene can beat Paul walther, glenn brooks, and blake perry........i guess theres really nothing to say except you are way outa touch with reality. and thats fine. your doin the rankings and i appreciate the time spent so de em however you want. that bein said...... you are disrespecting several top pullers in the SEC. Paul Walther is a tried and true national champion puller and Glenn Brooks is a bad man with over 20 years put into this sport. Blake perry is a beast and has wins on some impressive guys. for you to actually think that your buddy Gene....who was just pullin novice a couple months ago can actually beat these guys is funed. JMO. and who are you talkin about that has been inactive?  ?? Glenn Brooks pulls regularly......and so does Paul...he was at SEC for gods sake. (PS. ive seen travis robinson pull and he is a novice.....and i very nice guy IMO) what do you base this assumption on? where are the facts? ive asked for the facts 3 times and have recieved none. if there are facts to back up Genes ranking then i will stand corrected. if the rankings are as you say....."based on who beat who"......show me who Gene beat that landed him a spot so high up above these other pullers? and im not just pickin on Gene. i would also like to know who Russell Francis beat and who dan Benoit beat. neither of these guys have/can beat any of the afore mentioned armwrestlers. i just want a rankings explanation....i dont think thats being unreasonable or out of line. and it damn sure aint hating on anyone. |
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Post by TK on Oct 26, 2011 10:09:39 GMT -5
242+ RIGHT HAND ACTIVE WITHIN REGION
1. BRANDON BOULIN (LA)*BEAT CHOP CONTRABAND(APR)
2. KENT SHEPARD (TN)****BEAT CHOP IN TN TOURN (JUNE?)
3. CAREY NICKS (FL)****BEAT CHOP (JULY?)
4. MATT BERTHRAND (LA)****BEAT JOHN P (AUG)
5. JOHN PORTILLO (FL)***BEAT CHOP BUT LOST FINALS (AUG)
6. CHRISTIAN KIEBER (FL)***BEAT BUDDY OCT 22
7. BUDDY GRIFFITH (FL)****
8. CHUCK WESTBERRY (FL)****
9. TODD KING (FL)****BEAT CARL AUG 20 BEAT HOFF AUG 20
10. CARL BOWERS (FL)****BEAT BENOIT AUG 20
11. TRAVIS ROBINSON (AL)BEAT SPIKER JULY 16
12. GENE SPIKER (FL)**BEAT RUSS OCT 22ND
13. RUSS FRANCIS (FL)BEAT BENOIT OCT 22ND
14. DAN BENOIT (FL)**** BEAT WAYNE JULY 16
15.WAYNE DE MATTHEWS (FL)****
16. CHUCK HOFFMAN (FL)****BEAT PAUL MAY 20
17. PAUL WALTHER (NC)****LOST TO HOFF MAY 20
18. GLENN BROOKS (AL)****NOT ACTIVE SINCE JAN
19. MICHAEL AVERY (NC)****PLACED AT TOURN (NC)
20. BLAKE PERRY (TN)****PLACED IN TN
21. LARRY COLLINS (FL) WAS ADDED AUG 20 ACTIVE
UPDATED SALTWATER CLASSIC OCT 22ND[/quote]
MAX,
CHAIN OF EVENTS SIR,
JAN 22: TK OVER KIEBER
JAN 22: WAYNE OVER TK
APR 2: TK OVER BENOIT
APR 2: WAYNE OVER TK
APR 30: WAYNE OVER TK
APR 30: TK OVER CHUCK HOFFMAN
[glow=red,2,300]MAY 20: CHUCK HOFFMAN OVER PAUL WALTHER[/glow]
JULY 16: BENOIT OVER TK & WAYNE
JULY 16: TRAVIS OVER SPIKER
AUG 20: TK OVER HOFFMANAUG 20: KIEFER OVER TK
OCT 22: RUSS OVER BENOIT
OCT 22: SPIKER OVER RUSS
TO THE BEST OF MEMORY MAX,
AND JOHN P MOVED UP DUE TO OVER CHOP AT UNIFIEDS.
SO MAX,
I'LL ASK YOU THIS?
IF CHUCK HOFFMAN BEAT PAUL MAY 20
AND I BEAT CHUCK AUG 20
THERE COULD RAISE A QUESTION OF WHO REALLY CAN BEAT WHO I'D THINK....
I EARNED A FAIR WIN OVER CHUCK, WHO HAS BEATEN PAUL.
IT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN BEAT PAUL, IT JUST MEANS I BEAT THE GUY WHO BEAT PAUL....
I CAN'T HELP THAT OUR STATE IS VERY ACTIVE AND KEEPS THE RANKINGS MOVING.
IN ALL FAIRNESS THOUGH, I DON'T BELEIVE THAT I CAN BEAT PAUL, BUT I CAN BEAT SOMEONE THAT BEAT HIM....THAT SHOULD SAY SOMETHING.
AS FOR BENOIT'S LOSS TO RUSS FRANCIS....RUSS HAS BEEN IN THE SPORT FOR 5 OR SO YEARS NOW....CAN'T HELP THAT BENOIT LOST TO HIS FLIP MOVE....LOL
SPIKER IS TRAINED WELL AGAINST THAT FLIP MOVE AND BEAT RUSS.
NOT ONCE HAVE I SAID SPIKER CAN BEAT ALL THE PEOPLE HE IS AHEAD OF....BUT HE SCORED A WIN ON A GUY WHO HAS BEAT A GUY WHO HAS BEATEN SOME QUALITY PULLERS...IF YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT.
NOW, IF YOU WANT WE CAN RESTRUCTURE THE RANKINGS AGAIN, BUT I SAID WHEN THIS STARTED THE ACTIVE PULLERS WILL BENEFIT WHILE THE INACTIVES WON'T.
WE SET A STANDARD WITH THE RANKINGS FOR GUYS TO SET OUT AND BEAT THE GUY AHEAD OF YOU, PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT....
AND THE STUFF BETWEEN ME AND DAVID GOES BACK FURTHER THAN YOUR POST, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, AND I HOPE SOME OF THIS HELPS STRUCTURE WHY EACH GUY IS PLACED WHERE...
I'VE FOLLOWED THE RULES GIVEN BY OUR GROUP (EVEN WITH ME DISAGREEING WITH IT)
IT'LL GO BACK AS FAR AS WHEN BOULIN JUMPED FROM NO 10 TO NO 1 BY BEATING CHUCK WEST, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT DOES MAKE SENSE...TO BE THE BEST YOU GAVE TO BEAT THE BEST...HE DID IT, SO HE'S NO 1.
CHUCK BEATING PAUL AT REGIONALS, BEING FROM FL CHUCK IS MORE ACTIVE THAN PAUL AND THIS PUTS CHUCK DEFENDING SPOT MORE THAN PAUL, SO NATURALLY CHUCK LOST HIS SPOT, BUT HE STILL HAS LAST WIN OVER PAUL, LEAVING PAUL IN LIMBO WHILE HE'S INACTIVE.
THANKS MAX,
T/K
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 26, 2011 11:59:57 GMT -5
thank you tk for clearing that up. i see where your logic is coming fro now.
thats all i ever wanted since my first post.
being that i dont follow who beat who i needed a chain of logic to follow. but in reality i think that this shows just how out of gas Paul was after his matches with J. portillo. and it also shows just how good johnny has gotten. and in my opinion thats all it proves. a win on a gassed out opponent doesnt hold much water in actuality....but in a who beat who rankings it is correct even if it looks totally ridiculous on paper. lol
and believe me it looks ridiculous to have these guys ranked above the others.
and just to give you some motivation TK....after having pulled you and Paul several times....i can firmly assure you that there is no way in hell you can beat Paul. LOL ;D there is no question who could beat who at all. only in YOUR mind. not any one elses.
like i said...living outside oneself will ultimately hinder your progress in the real world.
and again...i am not trying to single anyone out.....if these guys that i am talking about think that i am wrong then please step up and say so. if they think they can beat Paul, Glenn, Blake, Johnny, etc.... then by all means i would love to see them make me eat my words.
its difficult to know where you stand when you dont get out and pull a broad variety of arms. i am in this same boat. and as you will remember i told you when i was placed atop the 242 rankings....i didnt feel i had earned it.
i personally wouldnt want a ranking that i didnt earn....
and just to be clear: i love all the guys from florida. they have always been more than friendly and are a blast to have around. i am grateful for the effort that you (TK) and your team put into the sport to make it great. if you guys werent so damn far away you would see alot more of me cus i think your doin great thngs.
to all the florida pullers: keep representing the SEC and good luck to all of you!
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 26, 2011 12:06:48 GMT -5
oh yeah: i really do like the current rankings system. it is as it should be. meaning it benefits the active pullers more than the guy who pulls once a year and sits on his rankings spot all year.
furthermore i think that the SEC tournament was a great step forward in formulating rankings. jus tthis year alone it allowed pullers from all over the SEC that normally never run into each other to fight it out. and it consequently has had a domino effect in the rankings in following months. (case in point: spiker, russ, hoffman etc...)
the SEC is def doing good things.
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Post by TK on Oct 26, 2011 12:45:29 GMT -5
thank you tk for clearing that up. i see where your logic is coming fro now. thats all i ever wanted since my first post. being that i dont follow who beat who i needed a chain of logic to follow. but in reality i think that this shows just how out of gas Paul was after his matches with J. portillo. and it also shows just how good johnny has gotten. and in my opinion thats all it proves. a win on a gassed out opponent doesnt hold much water in actuality....but in a who beat who rankings it is correct even if it looks totally ridiculous on paper. lol and believe me it looks ridiculous to have these guys ranked above the others. and just to give you some motivation TK....after having pulled you and Paul several times....i can firmly assure you that there is no way in hell you can beat Paul. LOL ;D there is no question who could beat who at all. only in YOUR mind. not any one elses. like i said...living outside oneself will ultimately hinder your progress in the real world. and again...i am not trying to single anyone out.....if these guys that i am talking about think that i am wrong then please step up and say so. if they think they can beat Paul, Glenn, Blake, Johnny, etc.... then by all means i would love to see them make me eat my words. its difficult to know where you stand when you dont get out and pull a broad variety of arms. i am in this same boat. and as you will remember i told you when i was placed atop the 242 rankings....i didnt feel i had earned it. i personally wouldnt want a ranking that i didnt earn.... and just to be clear: i love all the guys from florida. they have always been more than friendly and are a blast to have around. i am grateful for the effort that you (TK) and your team put into the sport to make it great. if you guys werent so damn far away you would see alot more of me cus i think your doin great thngs. to all the florida pullers: keep representing the SEC and good luck to all of you! TRUE, but i'm coming for you and Paul....lol and thanks Max, also...David ...sorry i called you a Mfer.... and some of the other names i may have slipped out with, as we talked about on PM, when you start positive i'll be positive. Max wasn't sure of the format and why....you actually knew what was up...you helped vote in this system...so it irritated me that you were instigating and stabbing at my friend. not so sure yet if you was serious at first or joking, fine line sometime when you don't know. i'm so sure Paul will return to his proper ranking when he reappears...he's a true beast. but i feel as if John P could easily be no 1 right & left most improved and most power! i look forward TO SEEING EVERYONE! TK |
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Post by travisrobinson on Oct 26, 2011 17:26:43 GMT -5
Max moore..porn star or superhero? ?? You tell me...damm I love that name....nice to hear from you again bro. |
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Post by TK on Oct 26, 2011 18:30:33 GMT -5
Max moore..porn star or superhero? ?? You tell me...damm I love that name....nice to hear from you again bro. Holy crap... Travis is back.... How boutcha! |
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Post by travisrobinson on Oct 26, 2011 19:00:32 GMT -5
Batman returns...with an all new alter ego!!....TK why you know like most people?..lol |
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?? Glenn Brooks pulls regularly......and so does Paul...he was at SEC for gods sake.