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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 14, 2011 21:44:13 GMT -5
The only ranking that really matters is that number 1 spot!
You wanna be the best you gotta beat the best.
The best was at contraband. Lost the title of the best. And the current best didn't go to GA.
The #1 best at 242+ is factually and with out a doubt in Louisiana.
Brandon and Chop the best in the south east!!!
though I think Michael Todd is active and should be number 1 based on his attendance in Louisiana (where the big boys play) and officially has a loss to Brandon.
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Post by David Owens on Jun 14, 2011 21:53:39 GMT -5
I'm not saying I dont agree but its all opinion based and we can't go by that can we? If it was me I would want my number 1 to come from beating number 1, If Chuck entered he put his "title" "spot" on the line. I do very much agree that you are the SE Regional Champ because you won the tourney with that title attatched to it, but as I have said many times any title world, national, or otherwise is only as good as the people you beat to get the title  ,and even if someone beats you Regional champ is not something they can take from you because you were the man that day! I think we promoters should acknowledge and push the idea that regional championship titles are transferred at the moment of defeating the one who bears that title. Giving these rankings "credibility" If the "SEC regional" has more bearing than ANY SINGLE event in the southeast on the rankings simply because of the name of the event. Then the rankings mean nothing!!! its an idea, but truthfully even if the "Regional Title" could change hands the tournament would only be as good as who showed, what if the current regional champ didnt show up to regionals then we would have a paper champ. Lets let it be what it is a "title" like nationals or worlds where that day you were the best in your class. that "title" should have no real bearings on rankings, wins should. now if you wanna fork out the cash and get some kind of trophies or belts made that can be passed on from one champ to the next I think thats a cool idea and maybe something we can all go in on raising money for, and the trophy could have the name plates of all the former champs ;D |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 14, 2011 22:41:00 GMT -5
Maybe you missed what I was saying. Cuz you almost said exactly what I said with a tone of disagreement.
Lol
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 14, 2011 22:45:24 GMT -5
My point is no one tournament in the region regardless the name of the event should determine who the "regional champ" is.
The rankings alone decide who the regional champ is.
Otherwise the rankings mean nothing!!
The "SEC event" should not decide who the regional champ is simply because you hosted a tournament called and called it the regionals.
Because like you said you were only as good as the competitors that showed up.
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Post by David Owens on Jun 15, 2011 0:15:50 GMT -5
My point is no one tournament in the region regardless the name of the event should determine who the "regional champ" is. The rankings alone decide who the regional champ is. Otherwise the rankings mean nothing!! The "SEC event" should not decide who the regional champ is simply because you hosted a tournament called and called it the regionals. Because like you said you were only as good as the competitors that showed up. How many people have the title national champion? This is the same thing, if you win regionals then you ARE the regional champ. that does not make you the best in the region unless the best was there and you beat him, it just gives you the title. Do you wanna try to take away every national title in the 176 class because Chad Silvers didnt show up?......I think you can have a number regional (title) champ and also have a South Eastern Heavyweight Champion that can be past from former champ to current champ I would suggest if we were to do something like this we unify the two first, so when given out there is no dispute......for instance in this case we would set up a best of 5 supermatch between SE Regional Champion Buddy Griffiths vs Current Rank #1 Brandon Boudin winner is Southeastern Heavyweight Champion would be fun to do I think and the prestige of holding that #1 spot would come with a trophy, how long you kept the trophy being completely on you! |
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Post by BRANDON BOUDOIN on Jun 15, 2011 0:17:04 GMT -5
Put both Buddy and I at #1 and if thats not good enough take me out of the rankings !
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Jun 15, 2011 0:18:03 GMT -5
Nobody asked you, stay out of this!
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Post by David Owens on Jun 15, 2011 0:22:33 GMT -5
My point is no one tournament in the region regardless the name of the event should determine who the "regional champ" is. The rankings alone decide who the regional champ is. Otherwise the rankings mean nothing!! The "SEC event" should not decide who the regional champ is simply because you hosted a tournament called and called it the regionals. Because like you said you were only as good as the competitors that showed up. How many people have the title national champion? This is the same thing, if you win regionals then you ARE the regional champ. that does not make you the best in the region unless the best was there and you beat him, it just gives you the title. Do you wanna try to take away every national title in the 176 class because Chad Silvers didnt show up?......I think you can have a number regional (title) champ and also have a South Eastern Heavyweight Champion that can be past from former champ to current champ I would suggest if we were to do something like this we unify the two first, so when given out there is no dispute......for instance in this case we would set up a best of 5 supermatch between SE Regional Champion Buddy Griffiths vs Current Rank #1 Brandon Boudin winner is Southeastern Heavyweight Champion would be fun to do I think and the prestige of holding that #1 spot would come with a trophy, how long you kept the trophy being completely on you! also there would be no way to be number 1 without the trophy, so no dispute  |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 15, 2011 5:10:07 GMT -5
Number 1 has no dispute. No trophy needed. The rankings already declare number 1.
Recognition as number 1 is the award.
I think having a belt or trophy to pass around would be too burdensome. You couldn't rely on people to show up to a tourney to offer it up. Unless maybe a cash award came with it.
I think a cash award would be nice if the promoters would offer say $100-$200 to the number 1 ranked guy after there tourny.
It would encourage the number 1's to compete more frequently to offer up that title and to bring this belt with them to lose.
Say Brandon is number one. I could offer a cash award to him if he shows up and wins..... But If some one beats him then they get the prize. But.... If Brandon didn't show, the promoter isn't obligated to pay that cash prize.
This way we can give cash to champs. Promote serious level competition But not have to pay thousands of dollars to each of 10 weight classes because the odds of all number ones showing at the same event are slim.
If we actually had belts....
I'd be down with all regional promoters pitching in to pay for these belts. And only promoters who help pitch in have the "authority" to transfer these titles....... Just a thought to simmer on.
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Post by TK on Jun 15, 2011 5:13:22 GMT -5
Look... Let's keep it simple.....
The who beat who beat is the simplest way to do it..... I voiced my opinion on who I thought should be the best.....variables and circumstance placed Brandon over Buddy...... If any change was to be made it would at least be Brandon no 1 and Buddy no 2.... They are realistically the 2 best region pullers....beings Brandon was the contraband champ and buddy was regional champ
1. Brandon
2. Buddy
3. Chop
4. Chuck
Once again opinion. But seems right beings both guys have first place at a prestigious tourney....
Kinda based on brandons idea of 2 first.
Jmo
TK
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 15, 2011 5:18:19 GMT -5
Don't agree with that.......  |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 15, 2011 5:19:21 GMT -5
Who beat who is definitely the simplest way. Left it how it is for now. Lol
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 15, 2011 5:19:45 GMT -5
Cheeseball!!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 15, 2011 5:30:05 GMT -5
Number 1 has no dispute. No trophy needed. The rankings already declare number 1. Recognition as number 1 is the award. I think having a belt or trophy to pass around would be too burdensome. You couldn't rely on people to show up to a tourney to offer it up. Unless maybe a cash award came with it. I think a cash award would be nice if the promoters would offer say $100-$200 to the number 1 ranked guy after there tourny. It would encourage the number 1's to compete more frequently to offer up that title and to bring this belt with them to lose. Say Brandon is number one. I could offer a cash award to him if he shows up and wins..... But If some one beats him then they get the prize. But.... If Brandon didn't show, the promoter isn't obligated to pay that cash prize. This way we can give cash to champs. Promote serious level competition But not have to pay thousands of dollars to each of 10 weight classes because the odds of all number ones showing at the same event are slim. If we actually had belts.... I'd be down with all regional promoters pitching in to pay for these belts. And only promoters who help pitch in have the "authority" to transfer these titles....... Just a thought to simmer on. But then what would you do if the person with the belt went in active. And decided...... I don't want to give up the belt. Or maybe it was a fluke one time entry that took the belt. And we never heard from the guy again. I say no belt. Cash only. |
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Post by David Owens on Jun 15, 2011 5:51:48 GMT -5
I agree it would be a little worriesome but I think we shouldnt have much problem getting the belts if they went inactive, just an idea. The point is it doesnt matter if you were not on the list previously or are number 2, if you beat the number 1 guy that makes you number 1, so I also decline on TK's proposal in hopes that Buddy will take Chops offer of 1000 to beat brandon, 750 to beat him and 500 to beat some other jabroni and come home with the Regional title and the number one spot, cause that is some serious diareha of the mouth. That or Chop has lots of extra money |
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,and even if someone beats you Regional champ is not something they can take from you because you were the man that day!
