WORLD WAR III IS NEAR!

[enginterzi]

i think this is not exactly by the number of the population of Jews in US but by the effectiveness of them in US.media,money,movie industries and strong lobbies...

i mean even this should explain (freedom of speech);

www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-retire-israel.html

at the age of 89 she was caught on camera while expressing her true feelings which she learnt during 50 years of white house reporter career but had to hide.

[John Wilson]

Take Helen Thomas with a grain of salt. She was a hateful shrew her entire life and tolerated only because she was a correspondant to the White House for so long.

She wasn't speaking for Helen Thomas, she was representing her newspaper. They fired her for violating conditions of employment. Nobody put her in jail for speaking out. Her rights were not violated in any way.

As to flawed middle east policy, I think it is very easy to point fingers and call something bad. It takes no great amount of intelligence to recognize a problem. The real challenge is to offer a better solution.

I can't, and won't, defend every U.S. policy. But one the one hand the U.S. is blamed for using money and power to influence other countries in order to provide stability for the U.S. and for the world. On the other hand, the U.S. is blamed for doing nothing while corrupt, evil regimes decimate their own people. (Libya, Sudan, Rwanda, Congo, Somalia... the list goes on.)

My question is this: Egypt is a good example, so let's use Egypt for my question. If it is in the best interest of your nation to protect the Suez Canal and to provide security on Israel's southern border, and you can accomplish this by paying money to people, then that is the easiest way to handle it.

At some point, it is the responsiblity of the Egyptian people to put down a government that is oppressing them. The U.S. did not stop them from revolting. The U.S. did not put down the uprising.

Libyans are dying in the street as the army attacks the protesters with helicopter gunships and warplanes.

Bahrain is shooting the protesters.

Iran will once again kill protesters and imprison them for questioning the supreme leader.

Where is all this U.S. influence now? Are we to believe the U.S. controls every country, but when things go bad we are not in control? It cannot be both ways. Maybe, just maybe, these countries need to be held accountable for treating their own people so badly instead of the U.S. being the evil force behind everything that is wrong in the world.

Should the U.S. carry some blame for supporting evil regimes? Yes. That is fair. But those regimes are evil whether we do business with them or not. Sometimes you cannot pick the person you must deal with. Sometimes you have to deal with the person who owns the canal you need.

[enginterzi]

if Helen would have spoken the exact same words against Arabs she would not be fired,PERIOD.

when i competed 2005 vegas event in the host hotel i watched a so called comedy show,the so called comedian was suggesting to bring Israelis out of middle east and nuke the middle eastern people.could he say the same things against Israel under the mask of comedy?

i understand conditions of employment very well


the relationship between USA and Egypt is not limited with the things that you just wrote,John.Mubarak could not have been in power without that support that he had been receiving from US for last 30 days.that is why Israeli and American news considered Obama as "the president who lost Egypt".

these countries had been colonised by the European countries during the first half of 20. century.their target was Ottoman Empire and they were succesful to make this one strong whole to become small and controlable pieces.


as i mentioned so many times that no one is good,and all need to look at the mirrors to see that.as long as people are honest to see & show the things as how they are ....


i many times wrote,Saddam was a sick man,Mubarak was a sick man,the way that S.Arabia is ruled is not Islamic way,Taliban is extremist etc...

but countries who criticise them,have also been doing wrong things.

i just smile to watch how ex Israeli minister just mocks with whole world openly (in fact some of you play the same trick against me as well);




if doing something wrong then no need to create excuses to justify the wrong action.if you needed to occupy Iraq then no need to use WMD excuse.people feels disrespected when their intelligence is mocked about something obvious.

if you wanna back Israel in everything wrong or right they do,then no need to create excuses.just say that they are powerful in USA and we have to do exactly what they want us to do even if they bomb our war ship and kill our soldiers;


whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

even if it would again happen today i have no doubt that it would be covered again (at least they did not accuse Americans with terrorism )

"We saw no need to inform Israel or any other party to the hostilities of the Liberty's location since the ship was on a peaceful mission and was in international waters. I have seen a report alleging that the Israeli Government has asked us about the presence of the ship prior to the attack, but that report is not true."

Lyndon B. Johnson, then-President of the United States



"I found it hard to believe that it was, in fact, an honest mistake on the part of the Israeli air force units. I still find it impossible to believe that it was. I suspect that in the heat of battle they figured that the presence of this American ship was inimical to their interests, and that somebody without authorization attacked it."

Paul C. Warnke, then-General Legal Counsel of the Department of Defense


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"American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of its citizens. . . . The Liberty's presence and function were well known to Israel's leaders. ...Israel's leaders concluded that nothing they might do would offend the Americans to the point of reprisal. If American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of American citizens, it seemed clear that their American friends would let them get away with almost anything."

George Ball, under secretary of state at the time writing in The Passionate Attachment: America's Involvement with Israel, pages 57-58.

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"No one in the White House believed that the attack was an accident."

George Christian, Press Secretary to President Lyndon Johnson in letter to James Ennes, 1978.

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"I don't think that there's any doubt that it was deliberate.... [It is] one of the great cover-ups of our military history."

David G. Nes, the deputy head of the American mission in Cairo at the time

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"The shame of the U.S.S. Liberty incident is that our sailors were treated as though they were enemies, rather than the patriots and heroes that they were. There is no other incident--beyond Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty--that shows the power of the Israeli Lobby by being able to silence successive American governments. Allowing the lies told by the Israelis and their minions in the U.S. is disheartening to all of us who are proud of our servicemen."

-- James Abourezk, United States Senate, 1973-79

[John Wilson]

I'm not making excuses at all. I am saying that, agree or disagree, there are reasons for things. The Suez canal is very important. It is extremely important. If it costs us a few billion dollars a year to keep it open to our ships then so be it. If the Egyptians don't like their leader they should do what they just did. Who has been stopping them for 30 years? Only themselves. All the money the US gave to Mubarek did not keep a few thousand protesters from throwing him out of office.

[John Wilson]

Or perhaps it was the billions of dollars the U.S. pays to the Egyptian army that prevented the Army from shooting the protesters in the street, like what is happening in Libya. Does the U.S. get credit for saving the lives of Egyptians now?

[enginterzi]

Feb 23, 2011 12:26:08 GMT -5 John Wilson said:

I'm not making excuses at all. I am saying that, agree or disagree, there are reasons for things. The Suez canal is very important. It is extremely important. If it costs us a few billion dollars a year to keep it open to our ships then so be it. If the Egyptians don't like their leader they should do what they just did. Who has been stopping them for 30 years? Only themselves. All the money the US gave to Mubarek did not keep a few thousand protesters from throwing him out of office.

John , i didnt directly mean you when i wrote "you".

every rebellion has its right time.the protesters were encourage by the opposition of our prime minister against Israel.it is the leaders who encourage people.anyone who follows the middle east politics knows that Tayyip Erdogan is the most popular leader in this area (amongst publics).

btw, there were not a few thousands but millions of protesters from all around the Egypt.

Suez canal has nothing to do with Mubarak blocking all aids to Gaza that has been an open air prison since the terrorist attacks of Israel.

[enginterzi]

Feb 23, 2011 12:57:40 GMT -5 John Wilson said:

Or perhaps it was the billions of dollars the U.S. pays to the Egyptian army that prevented the Army from shooting the protesters in the street, like what is happening in Libya. Does the U.S. get credit for saving the lives of Egyptians now?

those billions of dollars have been the reason of Mubarak's dictatorship in last 30 years.it was too late to save Mubarak but Egyptian Army just exchanged the leadership with Mubarak.the name of the puppet is not so important.

many Officials from Libyan Army refuse to fire the public.many escaped to other countries with their jets,many just left the plane with their parachutes and let the pane get crushed.most of the sick bastards who fired on public are the pro soldiers from Africa that gets paid by Gaddafi.


if Army refuses to shot its public it does not mean that it is because of money that you pay to them.who is army? soldiers who are actually from public.also there is a risque to lose their power as well when attack on public.this way US sacrificed only Mubarak but still got involved with Egypt.if US backed the protesters who has been under the dictator Mubarak,who has been the servant of US,it is only because of knowing that it was not returnable situation.

[enginterzi]

the thing about Bahrain is that the leader is a sunni while the shia population is twice of sunni population.it was same in Iraq,Saddam was a sunni while the majority of the public was shia.in Syria it is opposite way,Esad is a shia while the public is mostly sunni.

it is a confussing thing ! but these countries have been divided in these ways by the Europeans,after the collapse of Ottoman Empire.

btw,Iran's Islamic understanding is different than how we believe.neither side accept other's faith within the Islam.


we do not like Gaddafi,neither he likes us.he even blamed us for this rebellion.

there is no single regime in middle east that is Islamic.

[enginterzi]

west thinks that my country is the correct model for the Muslim countries,to live Islam and Democracy together.

[John Wilson]

Feb 23, 2011 14:43:58 GMT -5 @enginterzi said:

there is no single regime in middle east that is Islamic.

I am not ignoring your other posts, as they are quite good. I picked this sentence out because this is the most misunderstood point to me.

Are you saying that no regime in the middle east follows true Islam? I can understand that, as no government on earth follows true Christian doctrine, either. But it is a confusing statement, because nearly all regimes in the middle east call themselves Islamic.

[enginterzi]

John,

after our Prophet died,the next leader,and after he died the next leader,and after he died the next leader were not from father to son type of regime.

when the second Khalifa (the leader of te nation) was preaching in the Mosque,one Muslim stood up and said, "i will not listen your preach until you tell us how you were able to make a dress for yourself with your part of the clothe,while my part of clothe was not enough to make a dress?"

Khalifa said by pointing his son,"my son please answer this question"

his son stood up and said," with the clothes that was given to public equally i was not able to make a dress for myself,neither my father was able to make one for himself.so i gave my part to my father and he made a dress for himself".

the man then said, "ok now i will listen to you".


do you see any similar regime in middle east right now?

i am so afraid to call someone "unbeliever" as if he is a believer then it makes me an unbeliever to make a misjudgement...but i can clearly say that they are not Islamic regimes at all.

look at Gaddafi,one sick man! i hate all the dictators in the middle east!

[enginterzi]

John,

even the Ottoman Empire was not under the correct Islamic regime.from father to son type of regime,is not what our Prophet left for us.

when i defend my faith some people may misunderstand me by thinking that i defend the regimes of those Muslim populated nations.

Muslim nations should only feel shame about their conditions today!!!

[kyledarby]

What percentage of US crimes are committed by ILLEGAL ALIENS? Suddenly the stats aren't so impressive.

[enginterzi]

i do not know the percentage of the illegal aliens who are in USA with their families but near 6 million wives get beat up by their husbands and between 2000-4000 die because of this.and this is considered by TIME magazine "as silent crime".

i lived in Chicago and they told me that the crime percentage in Chicago was very high and i sure know that the majority of the crimes were not commited by the illegal aliens.

here are some statistics (at the bottom nation's 10 deadliest cities);

www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-muckrakers/2010/06/chicago-is-three-times-as-deadly-as-nyc-and-twice-as-violent-as-la.html


here are top 10 countries with highest crime (not percentage but total crimes);

www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html

World Top Ten Countries With Highest Reported Crime Rates



United States 11,877,218
United Kingdom 6,523,706
Germany 6,507,394
France 3,771,850
Russia 2,952,370
Japan 2,853,739
South Africa 2,683,849
Canada 2,516,918
Italy 2,231,550
India 1,764,630



top 10 raping;

www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes


# 1 United States: 95,136
# 2 South Africa: 52,425
# 3 Canada: 24,350
# 4 Australia: 15,630
# 5 India: 15,468
# 6 Mexico: 14,373
# 7 United Kingdom: 13,395
# 8 Germany: 8,615
# 9 France: 8,458
# 10 Russia: 6,978



School violence in USA;

www.nssc1.org/ten-hard-facts-about-school-violence.html


The facts in their raw hard form are listed below.


1.Thirty seven percent {37%} of American students report the presence of gang in their schools.

2.In 2000, the number of crimes at school in which students ages 12 through 18 were the victims is 2.5 million. About 186,000 of those were serious violent crimes {including rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault}.

3. In 2000, about 29% of students in grades 9 through 12 reported that someone had offered, sold or given them an illegal drug on school property.

4.Teenagers are two times more likely than others to be victims of violent crimes

5.An average of one homicide event occurs every seven school days. School related
Homicides increase at the beginning of the school year and after winter breaks.

6.The number of high school age boys who took a weapon to school 2000 is one out every five.

7.The number of students in the United States who carry a gun to school, on any given day is 200,000.

8.The number separate of acts of violence reported in schools in 2002 is 10,951.

9.Violence remains the second leading cause of death for Americans aged 15 to24.

10.The number of thefts that occurred at schools in 2000 is 1.2 million. Students are more likely to be victims of theft at school than away from school.

[Bill Maenza]

Engin,
Off to work and I do not have time to read all of the references. Is the number of actual crimes or a rate? For example 1 in 5 or 2 in 5?

We definitely have issues with crimes by aliens in this area (DC) as it is one of the most heavily populated.

Thanks,
Bill

Feb 24, 2011 4:09:15 GMT -5 @enginterzi said:

here are some statistics (at the bottom nation's 10 deadliest cities);

World Top Ten Countries With Highest Reported Crime Rates
United States 11,877,218