"Conspiracy" Discussion

[Robert Bishop]

Apr 22, 2011 12:37:35 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Don't even wanna reply to this for anybody that knows anything about those studies, but it wasn't convincing it was factual evidence for what happened. Fake "truthers" just want so bad to be right about it being a conspiracy that they won't believe concrete evidence pushed right in front of there face. No wonder nobody else did any studies into it, whats the point the "conspiracy sheeple" will ignore it no matter what so why even waste money to prove them wrong again. The way things supposedly happened did not, I can't say for a fact what happened was not allowed to happen but it wasn't rigged with bombs(or thermite) and you don't have to melt steel to make it collapse. Who ever test crashed a plane into a 110 story building??? answer NOBODY except those terrorist. You can make a conspiracy out of anything, and I believe there are some shady things im not just stupid but I also don't always take advice from people hell bent on believing a conspiracy, you have to look at it ubiasedly and you will more clearly see the evidence laid in front of you. For instance if there is and old person and a young person standing on a sidewalk and the see and elderly person pull into a parking spot before a young person, those people then to proceed to get into a huge argument, that old person and young person witnessing this happening just seen the exact same thing, BUT they will have two different versions of a story. But the fact remains the same that the old person pulled into the parking spot in front of the young person. Same way with 9/11 it happened there are gonna be many theories and some "insight" especially words taken out of context, the fact remains 2 planes hit the trade centers and one hit the pentagon and another crashed, no matter how it's viewed it happened and there is evidence to back those claims whereas there is NONE to support controlled demolition, missles, etc......

NO way did those buildings fall just from being hit or by jet fuel
whatever was in them was able to melt steel

[Robert Bishop]

way back when i first started hearing of gun control is when i started to believe in conspiracy

[Michael Wells]

These shots alter a persons DNA. Don't care if you believe me or not but that's what the Dr's told me. The government is full of greedy and power hungry evil people. Conspiracies are there for a reason. Those who actually believe a plane went into the pentagon are very close minded. Talk about evidence?? There is none. I don't want to believe that our government is crooked. I just see way too many facts to prove it different. I mean really... One person shot JFK with a magic bullet? It didn't start there and surely hasn't ended. It's just getting worse.

[Johnny Edwards]

I have to disagree Robert, It was proven the steel didn't have to melt to collapse like that, it just needed to lose it's structural integrity. The Thermite theory did not hold up when put to the test but the jet fuel theory did. And there are pics of the pieces of the plane that hit the pentagon I guess you choose to ignore those though? I am not close minded I used to believe the stuff till I actually looked at it unbiasedly and studied it myself without a preconceived notion of what I "thought" happened. I believe there are a lot of shady things that go on but what happened happened not matter what you believe. There is no evidence to back the claims whereas there is evidence to back what REALLY happened as seen on tv. Why did people from a mile out see a plane headed towards the pentagon?? more evidence ignored due to blind thoughts. Im not close minded by any means. I just don't think it's always the government doing every single little thing, there really are just evil people in the world.

[Johnny Edwards]

And what facts do you have about 9/11 besides supposed testimonies taken out of context, claims with no facts to back them up, ect......? There is ziltch.......

[Johnny Edwards]

But as I said no point it discussing it further, people are gonna believe what they want too....

[Michael Wells]

Apr 22, 2011 16:18:53 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

And there are pics of the pieces of the plane that hit the pentagon I guess you choose to ignore those though? Why did people from a mile out see a plane headed towards the pentagon??

There were pics of people picking up small pieces of metal. Don't you realize there should be more plane there? If it "vaporized" then why was there so little damage done. Why was there so small of a hole in the building. People saw a plane because it went over the pentagon. That's why there is proof that particular flight landed somewhere else. It's on record. Google it.

[Johnny Edwards]

It crashed into a reinforced blast proof structure, even the windows were blast proof and did that at 500mph. You ever seen what happens to a plane hitting something like that, that fast??? It got demolished. The damage was consistent with a plane hitting not a missle, otherwise everything would have been blown outwards. There may have been a plane that landed but it wasn't the one the people saw.

[Johnny Edwards]

And there was pictures of the plane also

[Johnny Edwards]

also how would a missle have taken out the lights poles that were knocked down??? There is too much evidence supporting a plane hit. Not to count video

[Michael Wells]

Then why in the world did the Feds take all the video around except that 1 cheesy frame-by-frame clip? Because it would've shown the truth. And the people isn't have to see that plane land elsewhere. It was logged that it was that plane. Either way, their crooked and don't care about our better interest. Again, they've had governmental conspiracies for many decades if not centuries. Things that have been proven and others that haven't. Again, JFK did not have a lone gunman, with the governments best coming up with the magic bullet. Total idiocy.

[Robert Bishop]

i will ask a question that maybe someone could answer

why would steel become brittle?
wouldnt steel bend before it broke?
why did they fall str down?
why would so many people be told not to show up to work that day?

[Johnny Edwards]

1. Where are pics of it being brittle?
2. It was bent
3. Pancaked straight down
4. Mostly hearsay, where is the evidence of the questions?

I used to be all for the conspiracy but I just don't buy it because all the evidence and physics have proved otherwise. Just hearsay by less credible people keeps the conspiracy going.

[Johnny Edwards]

Apr 22, 2011 23:28:25 GMT -5 Michael Wells said:

Then why in the world did the Feds take all the video around except that 1 cheesy frame-by-frame clip? Because it would've shown the truth. And the people isn't have to see that plane land elsewhere. It was logged that it was that plane. Either way, their crooked and don't care about our better interest. Again, they've had governmental conspiracies for many decades if not centuries. Things that have been proven and others that haven't. Again, JFK did not have a lone gunman, with the governments best coming up with the magic bullet. Total idiocy.

And where is this log you speak of proving that plane was the one the witnesses seen?

[Johnny Edwards]

At 8:50 a.m. on September 11, 2001 Flight 77 asked for clearance to fly higher. That was the last radio message air traffic controllers received from the flight. At 8:56 a.m., over southern Ohio, Flight 77's IFF transponder stopped signaling. At this point there was no radio, no transponder and no radar contact with the plane. At 9:05 a.m. West Virginia flight control radar picked up an eastbound plane with no accompanying transponder identification, but not until 9:24 a.m. ATCs notify NORAD of its existence. At 9:25 a.m. the FAA informed the Secret Service that air raffic controllers had a no-transponder radar blip headed toward Washington D.C. At 9:26 the FAA head, Jane Garvey, issues the order forbidding all civilian, military and law-enforcement aircraft from taking off ( a restriction that remained in force until 10:31 a.m.) and for all aircraft in the air to get down as soon as reasonable. Thus ready interceptor aircraft at Andrews Air Force Base, just 15 miles away do not take off. At 9:30 a.m. Chris Stevenson is called by Secret Service and told to look for a plane heading for Washington. Stevenson finds it on the radar scope five miles to the West of him. He looks out the window and sees Flight 77 descending and turning right. This fits the description of many witnesses who saw the Boeing 757 diving at an irrecoverable angle" before the crash. But at this same time a different Dulles air traffic controller is tracking a blip headed straigt for Washington at 500 mph and she wonders if it can be Flight 77 although she remarks that the blip behaves more like that of a jet fighter. At 9:37 a.m. the radar blip was lost, ending at point indicating a position six miles from the Pentagon. . Minutes later there is a crash at the Pentagon, reports of the exact time varying from 9:37 to 9:45 a.m. Fireman Alan Wallace sees Flight 77 25 feet above the higher ground of the hill west of the Pentagon and coming at him. Sizing up the situation he turns and runs for cover under a nearby vehicle. He does not see the crash.