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Post by Hungry Hippo on Oct 4, 2011 13:16:48 GMT -5
good points Max...I came off a little strong on the thread, but competition or warming up and regardless of how much someone gets paid for it, I just wasn't impressed with the amount of movement in the press along with how the video made it seem like valid presses...
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 13:18:37 GMT -5
check ou tthe video of magnus samuelson benching 595 for two reps. the bar doesnt even bend as much as the bar andy is using. ps. also check ou this 308 pound straight bar curl. form is pretty dam good if ya ask me. he is simply having to lean back to keep from falling over but his arms are doing the work. whats even crazier is look at the length of his arms! BEAST One thing to keep in mind---different bars bend at different weights. I have a cheapo CAP barbells oly bar that bends pretty good at 315. I have a Jessup bar that won't bend until around 500. And I have a Texas Power bar that doesn't really bend much until well over 600. Some of the really nice Eleiko bars will take 800+ with only a small bend.
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 13:32:29 GMT -5
check ou tthe video of magnus samuelson benching 595 for two reps. the bar doesnt even bend as much as the bar andy is using. ps. also check ou this 308 pound straight bar curl. form is pretty dam good if ya ask me. he is simply having to lean back to keep from falling over but his arms are doing the work. whats even crazier is look at the length of his arms! BEAST One thing to keep in mind---different bars bend at different weights. I have a cheapo CAP barbells oly bar that bends pretty good at 315. I have a Jessup bar that won't bend until around 500. And I have a Texas Power bar that doesn't really bend much until well over 600. Some of the really nice Eleiko bars will take 800+ with only a small bend. your right about the bars for sure. i have noticed that from gym to gym over my years of lifting. one of my old gym in GA used bars that would bend like crazy with 405 on em. the gym here in ky doesnt bend a damn bit at 405. im not sayingits real or fake for sure either way........................... but i tell ya...i have seen guys rep over 600 pounds raw several times in GA,....but not since i moved to KY. one guy in particular became a good gym friend of mine...i have seen him rep 635 twice raw with perfect BODYBUILDER form on many many occasions....and hes a "nobody" from south GA. he was a bad mfer for sure....but he aint the only one.... you are DEFINATELY the bench expert on this board by far, but just speaking form my personal experience i dont find Andy's video that crazy or impossible like some suggest. PS: your a funny dude. lol hope i get to meet ya sometime.
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Post by Bill Arnold on Oct 4, 2011 13:33:04 GMT -5
None of my bars ever have enough weight on them to bend at all!
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Oct 4, 2011 13:42:14 GMT -5
Shawn: thanks for the clarification, I knew what you just said, just didn't notice Hamman was doing it wrong. I have another question for you though: what about incline benching? Authors like Bill Starr, who has contributed to strength training since the 60's, specifically say that when Incline Benching you lower the bar close to the chin, touching the collarbones or very close, and the elbows are in fact flared out, not tucked in like a flat bench. Does this lead to shoulder injury as well? Or is it safe to do in the Incline due to different angles, etc.? Just curious. Its actually worse on your shoulders. Fact is that most of the people who tell others how to perform movements have outdated or incorrect knoweldge. I know plenty of people who insist on doing it one way, because their high school football coach told them to. So where should the bar touch your chest? Just like you said, I was always told that you lower the weight wherever you're intending to build muscle. So for incline higher, flat in the middle, and decline lower. That's incorrect? The reason I ask is my shoulders suck, but I like doing bench. I was doing dumbbell bench but quickly ran out of weight.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 14:41:05 GMT -5
Its actually worse on your shoulders. Fact is that most of the people who tell others how to perform movements have outdated or incorrect knoweldge. I know plenty of people who insist on doing it one way, because their high school football coach told them to. So where should the bar touch your chest? Just like you said, I was always told that you lower the weight wherever you're intending to build muscle. So for incline higher, flat in the middle, and decline lower. That's incorrect? The reason I ask is my shoulders suck, but I like doing bench. I was doing dumbbell bench but quickly ran out of weight. Generally right at the bottom of the pec where the muscle meets the ribcage. Elbows should be slightly tucked.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Oct 4, 2011 14:45:32 GMT -5
Go on to YouTube and check out... Bench press raw 600 That is my friend Eric spoto, he reps it clean. Eric was training with us in Vegas in armwrestling but he stopped because he had his heart set on the BP world record. I hear he got almost 700 recently.... He is very VERY strong.... Devon went to train with him, he will tell of his raw power.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Oct 4, 2011 14:49:56 GMT -5
Devon was VERY impressed with Eric's strength. Devon has said in the past that he felt Eric would shoot up to near the top of the unlimited North American rankings if he decided to compete.
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Post by Steven Green on Oct 4, 2011 14:51:35 GMT -5
Wow. 3 easy reps with total control.
Freakin CRAZY.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Oct 4, 2011 15:00:33 GMT -5
Go on to YouTube and check out... Bench press raw 600 That is my friend Eric spoto, he reps it clean. Eric was training with us in Vegas in armwrestling but he stopped because he had his heart set on the BP world record. I hear he got almost 700 recently.... He is very VERY strong.... Devon went to train with him, he will tell of his raw power. Is this the video? I haven't seen Eric since NAL in Denver.
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Post by Robert Miller on Oct 4, 2011 15:25:56 GMT -5
Strong guy indeed....
However, unless its done under the scrutiny of 3-judges in a sanctioned powerlifting meet its only gym lifts guys... No way to determine weather its a legitimate lift or not... Just my .02!
The heaviest equipped bench.... 1075 (Ryan kennelly )
The heaviest raw bench................715.( Scott mendelson)
Correct me if I'm wrong Shawn as I'm 1 1/2 years removed from powerlifting...
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Post by Robert Miller on Oct 4, 2011 15:32:42 GMT -5
BTW, these are done w/ a pause.... No touch & go. Some feds such as USPL have very strict judging... Butt on bench, no uneven extension, no heaving the bar, feet must stay planted, etc...
Lifting in a meet & the gym are two very different animals. Similar to practice & a tourny... Nobody cares who you beat @ practice, what can you do come game time!!
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Oct 4, 2011 15:35:06 GMT -5
He handled it, safe to say he can move it with judges. Watch his other videos of him shoulder pressing 315 easily for reps and doing dips with 180 at a BW of like 280. He close grips 495 pretty easy too..... I see the way he handles the weight..... I don't need a judge
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Oct 4, 2011 15:39:17 GMT -5
He knows all the rules as he was obsessed with competition benching..... Not YouTube or gym benching. He loved AW but was so close to Mendelsons record he had to quit to pursue it. Believe me, he is well aware of the stats and rules
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Oct 4, 2011 15:46:14 GMT -5
I've been a fan of Eric Spoto ever since I saw those videos. His 15 reps of dips with 180 hanging from a belt at a BW of like 280-300 is pretty darn impressive too. His Close Grip Bench I think he has a video of 495x9 reps or so, which is INSANE. And of course the 600x3 bench just posted above. Mr. Max Moore: to those of us who care about details, lies and fake claims do matter. I or nobody might deny that Mr. Hamman is in amazing shape, is BRUTALLY strong, and can do things that 99% of humans are never gonna do in their lifetime, in regards to strength. However, this particular video of his, if you notice, was a submission to be selected in some show; notice the foolishness of using whipped cream on his supossed 600xReps bench. Also he did it with some weak teenager spotter. I don't have to be strong to know this is fake, I just have to be smart. And trust me, by now many smart men have discussed this particular video, and it was concluded long ago that it was fake. In fact, I think I read somewhere he admitted it was 400-ish pounds. It's a HUGE difference and claims like that should offend those who legitimately bench 600 (not me, of course! ). Shawn Lattimer's opinion is that it's 315.... Shawn knows a thing or two about benching, yet you have no problem believing it's 600xReps? LOL, sorry but you have to see how this is a bit funny. Again, taking nothing against Hamman, he is a FREAK of nature and deserves lots of Props. But he should have officially clarified, very shortly after this promotional video, the true weight on the bar. Or maybe not have lied in the first place. That's it. He's still a beast Just for fun Max.... please, PLEASE don't tell me you can believe this one too, 585x23. You get my point now, which was NOT to discredit Hamman himself, but that particular claim which was ridiculous.
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