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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 16:01:56 GMT -5
Strong guy indeed.... However, unless its done under the scrutiny of 3-judges in a sanctioned powerlifting meet its only gym lifts guys... No way to determine weather its a legitimate lift or not... Just my .02! The heaviest equipped bench.... 1075 (Ryan kennelly ) The heaviest raw bench................715.( Scott mendelson) Correct me if I'm wrong Shawn as I'm 1 1/2 years removed from powerlifting... Those are still accurate.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 16:07:01 GMT -5
He handled it, safe to say he can move it with judges. Watch his other videos of him shoulder pressing 315 easily for reps and doing dips with 180 at a BW of like 280. He close grips 495 pretty easy too..... I see the way he handles the weight..... I don't need a judge I've seen his videos----he's one of the baddest raw guys out there. To the others who think Andy is just as strong------Watch Spoto's setup and technique on the bench. Totally different from Andy......because Spoto knows how to handle weight. He's touching at the bottom of his pecs, elbows at about 45 degrees to the body, using his pecs and triceps to the maximum.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 16:09:09 GMT -5
He knows all the rules as he was obsessed with competition benching..... Not YouTube or gym benching. He loved AW but was so close to Mendelsons record he had to quit to pursue it. Believe me, he is well aware of the stats and rules I'd love to see him knock Mendelson out of the top spot.
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 16:26:29 GMT -5
I've been a fan of Eric Spoto ever since I saw those videos. His 15 reps of dips with 180 hanging from a belt at a BW of like 280-300 is pretty darn impressive too. His Close Grip Bench I think he has a video of 495x9 reps or so, which is INSANE. And of course the 600x3 bench just posted above. Mr. Max Moore: to those of us who care about details, lies and fake claims do matter. I or nobody might deny that Mr. Hamman is in amazing shape, is BRUTALLY strong, and can do things that 99% of humans are never gonna do in their lifetime, in regards to strength. However, this particular video of his, if you notice, was a submission to be selected in some show; notice the foolishness of using whipped cream on his supossed 600xReps bench. Also he did it with some weak teenager spotter. I don't have to be strong to know this is fake, I just have to be smart. And trust me, by now many smart men have discussed this particular video, and it was concluded long ago that it was fake. In fact, I think I read somewhere he admitted it was 400-ish pounds. It's a HUGE difference and claims like that should offend those who legitimately bench 600 (not me, of course! ). Shawn Lattimer's opinion is that it's 315.... Shawn knows a thing or two about benching, yet you have no problem believing it's 600xReps? LOL, sorry but you have to see how this is a bit funny. Again, taking nothing against Hamman, he is a FREAK of nature and deserves lots of Props. But he should have officially clarified, very shortly after this promotional video, the true weight on the bar. Or maybe not have lied in the first place. That's it. He's still a beast Just for fun Max.... please, PLEASE don't tell me you can believe this one too, 585x23. You get my point now, which was NOT to discredit Hamman himself, but that particular claim which was ridiculous. Arturo...i can appreciate your sense of humor and see where your coming from. but i never once said it was real. i said i cant say either way...but it is not impossible or crazy becaus ei have seen it done. with my own eyes multiple times , by multiple people...and they werent even professionals.and you MAY be smart...but you are also very inexperienced. otherwise you wouldnt be so quick to jump on someones jock and say "oh it must be fake because he said so". speaking about things that you have no personal experience in when you are uninformed and inexperienced makes you sound ignorant. Shawn may be very experienced in Benching...but i wonder what he would say if i took him to GA and showed him in person the things that i have seen??? my guess is prolly not much judging from his demeanor....but would he still say it was fake just because its that impressive? of course not. my friend, you have much to learn. just like armwrestling...there are some freaks out there that nobody knows about that dont give two sh!ts about powerlifting. ive personally met some of em. what if i were to put up a video of some of the guys i used to lift with putting up 600 for 4 reps? would you and others then immediately have to call me a liar and say it was fake...just because you havnt seen it?? i have seen with my own eyes, in a tiny little gym in a tiny little town, people that were not in as good of shape as Andy bench well over 630+ pounds for multiple reps, raw, with the same ease and form that you see in the video. it only seems "ridiculous" to you and others because its so impressive. (real or fake) and you have no way of imagining such a lift. it doesnt seem ridiculous to me because i have seen it and although it is impressive...its far from impossible. Maybe people in GA are just that much stronger than everywhere else on the planet..... Shawn.....im surprised that youhavnt seen more lifts like that in your career. the guys i met at GOLDS in Albany GA must be some real badasses. i didnt think that much of it at the time.
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 16:40:54 GMT -5
just to be clear.....
in my opinion....a 600 pound raw bench is world class strength.
so im not trying to downplay the accomplishment in any way with my previous post....but i just didnt really know that what i was witnesing was THAT impressive.
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Oct 4, 2011 16:53:26 GMT -5
The internet has people beleiving 23 inch arms are common and so are 600 pound bench sets (for reps too, not singles). You're right, I'm inexperienced, and I wont turn this into an "E-battle" as they are never-ending. But I trust you understand why it's not very easy for me (or ANYONE, regardless of experience, like Shawn who competed in Bench contests for 12 years) to believe your guy benching 630 for REPS, with EASE. The record is 715. Sounds like several GA guys could become famous, win bench contests, earn some money, travel to places while being sponsored athletes and doing what's easy for them. Why not do it? I'd get my name on the record books if I could, specially if I could potentially be remembered as one of the strongest Raw Bench Presses of All time! The most famous gym lift of them all, the bench! People would talk about me for decades to come.... Oh well, I am left to believe they just don't care. Darn internet.... now I saw a woman incline benching 5 plates. It must be legit 'cause she's pretty buff. I'm just gonna go shoot myself. =) Max, I'm trying to be super respectful here, so I'm sorry if I'm coming out the wrong way, I tend to do that sometimes not intentionally. But in your own words, in your "tiny little town" there are guys repping 600 and 630.... why have only 2 guys officially benched 700 in a contest? That's in the whole WORLD, not your so called "tiny little town", ask yourself this.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Oct 4, 2011 16:56:00 GMT -5
i found this list but idk how accurate it is now 1 - 715 Scott Mendelson-----------@ 314 pounds in 2005 2 - 711 James Henderson-----------@ 390 in 1997 3 - 675 Jim Williams------------@343 in 1972 4 - 666.9 Ted Arcidi ---------------@ 286 in 1984 5 - 665 Glen Chabot ------------@308 in 2002 6 - 661.4 Bill Kazmaier---------------@ 330 in 1981 7 - 650.4 Andrew Collura -----------------@ 331 in 2002 8 - 650 Bob Hickey-------------@308 in 1999 9 - 650 Brian Siders---------------@ 341 in 2005 10 - 650 Nick Winters --------------@ 350 in 2006 11 - 639.3 Vladimir Kravtsov------------@295 in 2001 12 - 639.3 Riku Kiri---------------@ 319 in 1991 13 - 633.8 Steve Wong-------------------@ 301 in 2002 14 - 628.3 Jari Sjoman --------------@ 275 in 1997 15 - 628.3 Lars Hedlund -----------------in 1980 16 - 628.3 Lee Moran -----------------in 1983 17 - 620 Josh Bryant---------------@315 in 2005 18 - 617.3 Wayne Bouvier ---------------@320 in 1980 19 - 615.5 Pat Casey -------------@ 329 in 1967 20 - 615 Jeremy Hoornstra ----------------@ 240 in 2006 21 - 615 Andy Shaffer---------------@410 in 2007 22 - 614.4 Tom Hardman------------------@273 in 1982 23 - 611.8 Doug Young-------------@275 in 1978 24 - 611.8 Richard Schoenberger -----------------@364 in 1996 25 - 610 John Dolan ---------------@328 in 2007 26 - 607.4 Don Reinhoudt -----------------@365 in 1975
35 - 600 Rock Lewis -----------@ 229 in 2006 last/45 - Mike Wolfe 600-------------@404 in 2006
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Oct 4, 2011 17:04:30 GMT -5
Bob: so, officially, only 10 men in history have benched nover 650 for a single? Yet Max sees 630 for reps every thursday night in the gym he goes to, in a "tiny little town". There's something in the water in there... Max, in all seriousness, could it be possible you're mis-remembering the number of plates on the bar or something similar? it's just.... people aren't just repping 600 in gyms all over the place, this is a fact. The one guy (on youtube) repping 600x3 (Spoto) has been said to been training specifically to break the world record for almost two years now... this should give you an idea. And this all time list by Bob Bishop should be an indicator as well. I am sorry if I came out as a d**k. I'm really just trying to say that there are a ton of fake videos on the net, and some look very real. We can't believe everything we see, unfortunately.
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 17:26:06 GMT -5
Bob: so, officially, only 10 men in history have benched nover 650 for a single? Yet Max sees 630 for reps every thursday night in the gym he goes to, in a "tiny little town". There's something in the water in there... Max, in all seriousness, could it be possible you're mis-remembering the number of plates on the bar or something similar? it's just.... people aren't just repping 600 in gyms all over the place, this is a fact. The one guy (on youtube) repping 600x3 (Spoto) has been said to been training specifically to break the world record for almost two years now... this should give you an idea. And this all time list by Bob Bishop should be an indicator as well. I am sorry if I came out as a d**k. I'm really just trying to say that there are a ton of fake videos on the net, and some look very real. We can't believe everything we see, unfortunately. Arturo....i take no offense to your comments...and i appreciate you re assuring me of your intentions. i would like to extend you the same courtesy and say that i mean you no offense. i simply point out the facts and my opinion on those facts when i talk. we can agree to disagree and still be friends....wich is what i would desire in any discussion. but again your inexperience and eagerness to disprove what you have never seen shows its face. the list of people that you see above is comprised of COMPETITION lifts. when you compare the lift style in the video...and that of my gym partner "hollywood" to the lifts on that list you are using as an indicator..................you are not comparing "apples to apples" as they say. anyone who has lifted in strict competition will tell you that a competiton lift is much harder than a gym/warm up style lift. for example...i could bench 435 at one time....and got into a similar discussion with one of my workout buddies. so we tried to do some raw competition style lifts at the gym one day. my best was 365. and that was STRUGGLING!!!! lol its ok to doubt what you havnt seen.....if i hadnt seen them myself maybe i would feel differently. but you have to agree with me that it sounds "ridiculous" to me when i hear people talk as if what i say if crazy and in fact impossible when i know it to be so. and no...it is not possible that i am mistaken.....i saw it enough times that there was no mistaking. i worked out with and spotted him all the time. there were others in the gym, that did over 600 as well...but Hollywood was the only one whos "name" i can remember. I think Stump may know Hollywood......they both are from Albany GA....i will ask him to back this up because he used to lift there some as well. Hollywood was a legend around the area. and there was another guy named Sam that i only saw lift a couple times. they were local heros so to speak. both lifted deep into the 600 pound range.
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Post by Casey Szparaga on Oct 4, 2011 17:47:03 GMT -5
Max, if your friend Hollywood is James Hollywood Henderson, he's on the list. I have seen him do 3 touch and go reps with 615 raw, but he was a world class bencher.
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 18:03:43 GMT -5
Max, if your friend Hollywood is James Hollywood Henderson, he's on the list. I have seen him do 3 touch and go reps with 615 raw, but he was a world class bencher. casey i really dont know his true name! lol everybody calle dhim "hollywood" and that was it. real cool dude. always wore shades in the gym. lol friggin BEAST!!! i have called a few people that i used to lift with that also knew him and they re assured me of his feats. i will see if i can find his real name. thanks for the input by the way! whoever this guy was.....he was a man among men to be sure. and a super nice guy.
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Post by 'Stump' Burton on Oct 4, 2011 18:06:03 GMT -5
Max is telling the truth. Marvin, known as Hollywood, would bench press over 600 pounds on a regular basis. I have been working out at golds gym since 1995, and so has Hollywood. The reason why everyone in Albany called him Hollywood is because he wore sunglasses in the gym because the ceiling light would hurt his eyes. He benched pressed 635 pounds the last time I saw him press. He did it for 3 reps but had to get help on the 4th one. BTW he didnt do it for fame, he just wanted to be strong. And yes, max was right, he is a legend in the workout community of Albany, Ga
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Post by Robert Miller on Oct 4, 2011 18:08:02 GMT -5
He handled it, safe to say he can move it with judges. Watch his other videos of him shoulder pressing 315 easily for reps and doing dips with 180 at a BW of like 280. He close grips 495 pretty easy too..... I see the way he handles the weight..... I don't need a judge Sorry Rob, I wasn't questioning Eric's abilities or your judgement... No disrespect brotha! Cheers, Robert
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Post by Derek Smith on Oct 4, 2011 18:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 18:17:09 GMT -5
I've been a fan of Eric Spoto ever since I saw those videos. His 15 reps of dips with 180 hanging from a belt at a BW of like 280-300 is pretty darn impressive too. His Close Grip Bench I think he has a video of 495x9 reps or so, which is INSANE. And of course the 600x3 bench just posted above. Mr. Max Moore: to those of us who care about details, lies and fake claims do matter. I or nobody might deny that Mr. Hamman is in amazing shape, is BRUTALLY strong, and can do things that 99% of humans are never gonna do in their lifetime, in regards to strength. However, this particular video of his, if you notice, was a submission to be selected in some show; notice the foolishness of using whipped cream on his supossed 600xReps bench. Also he did it with some weak teenager spotter. I don't have to be strong to know this is fake, I just have to be smart. And trust me, by now many smart men have discussed this particular video, and it was concluded long ago that it was fake. In fact, I think I read somewhere he admitted it was 400-ish pounds. It's a HUGE difference and claims like that should offend those who legitimately bench 600 (not me, of course! ). Shawn Lattimer's opinion is that it's 315.... Shawn knows a thing or two about benching, yet you have no problem believing it's 600xReps? LOL, sorry but you have to see how this is a bit funny. Again, taking nothing against Hamman, he is a FREAK of nature and deserves lots of Props. But he should have officially clarified, very shortly after this promotional video, the true weight on the bar. Or maybe not have lied in the first place. That's it. He's still a beast Just for fun Max.... please, PLEASE don't tell me you can believe this one too, 585x23. You get my point now, which was NOT to discredit Hamman himself, but that particular claim which was ridiculous. Arturo...i can appreciate your sense of humor and see where your coming from. but i never once said it was real. i said i cant say either way...but it is not impossible or crazy becaus ei have seen it done. with my own eyes multiple times , by multiple people...and they werent even professionals.and you MAY be smart...but you are also very inexperienced. otherwise you wouldnt be so quick to jump on someones jock and say "oh it must be fake because he said so". speaking about things that you have no personal experience in when you are uninformed and inexperienced makes you sound ignorant. Shawn may be very experienced in Benching...but i wonder what he would say if i took him to GA and showed him in person the things that i have seen??? my guess is prolly not much judging from his demeanor....but would he still say it was fake just because its that impressive? of course not. my friend, you have much to learn. just like armwrestling...there are some freaks out there that nobody knows about that dont give two sh!ts about powerlifting. ive personally met some of em. what if i were to put up a video of some of the guys i used to lift with putting up 600 for 4 reps? would you and others then immediately have to call me a liar and say it was fake...just because you havnt seen it?? i have seen with my own eyes, in a tiny little gym in a tiny little town, people that were not in as good of shape as Andy bench well over 630+ pounds for multiple reps, raw, with the same ease and form that you see in the video. it only seems "ridiculous" to you and others because its so impressive. (real or fake) and you have no way of imagining such a lift. it doesnt seem ridiculous to me because i have seen it and although it is impressive...its far from impossible. Maybe people in GA are just that much stronger than everywhere else on the planet..... Shawn.....im surprised that youhavnt seen more lifts like that in your career. the guys i met at GOLDS in Albany GA must be some real badasses. i didnt think that much of it at the time. There are plenty of crazy strong people out there with big bench press claims. I've met plenty of them. Most of them couldn't come close to a passing competition bench with 100 lbs less than they claim. Piss poor lifts that wouldn't pass any competition DO NOT COUNT anywhere. Those are a dime a dozen and are identical to the world champion bar armwrestlers who "have never been beaten". Once or twice you run across a guy who is the real deal.
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