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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 18:18:14 GMT -5
just to be clear..... in my opinion....a 600 pound raw bench is world class strength. so im not trying to downplay the accomplishment in any way with my previous post....but i just didnt really know that what i was witnesing was THAT impressive. 600 raw is world class.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 18:19:54 GMT -5
i found this list but idk how accurate it is now 1 - 715 Scott Mendelson 2 - 711 James Henderson 3 - 675 Jim Williams 4 - 666.9 Ted Arcidi 5 - 665 Glen Chabot 6 - 661.4 Bill Kazmaier 7 - 650.4 Andrew Collura 8 - 650 Bob Hickey 9 - 650 Brian Siders 10 - 650 Nick Winters 11 - 639.3 Vladimir Kravtsov 12 - 639.3 Riku Kiri 13 - 633.8 Steve Wong 14 - 628.3 Jari Sjoman 15 - 628.3 Lars Hedlund 16 - 628.3 Lee Moran 17 - 620 Josh Bryant 18 - 617.3 Wayne Bouvier 19 - 615.5 Pat Casey 20 - 615 Jeremy Hoornstra 21 - 615 Andy Shaffer 22 - 614.4 Tom Hardman 23 - 611.8 Doug Young 24 - 611.8 Richard Schoenberger 25 - 610 John Dolan 26 - 607.4 Don Reinhoudt That looks like the current list.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Oct 4, 2011 18:25:14 GMT -5
i think there is only like 45 people who have ever passed the 600 mark above
I hope Eric makes the list somewhere near the top
I have also read somewhere that the real Hollywood has done over 700 many different times for shows
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Post by Casey Szparaga on Oct 4, 2011 18:29:50 GMT -5
Don't know if that is Max's guy, but that's who I meant. I think he was the first guy over 700 raw in competition.
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Post by Casey Szparaga on Oct 4, 2011 18:34:21 GMT -5
Also, that list is obviously raw lifts.
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Post by Robert Miller on Oct 4, 2011 18:45:31 GMT -5
My point exactly Shawn... There are gym lifts & competition lifts! We both know the difference as we have been there... There are indeed a lot of super-strong guys out there & I'm not questioning that fact. But until its done on the platform it doesn't count.... I know a guy @ my gym that frequently benches in the high 500's raw... Albeit touch n go, he's still very strong and impressive! He's a BB'er & doesn't care to powerlift ... To each his own.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 18:46:22 GMT -5
i think there is only like 45 people who have ever passed the 600 mark above I hope Eric makes the list somewhere near the top I have also read somewhere that the real Hollywood has done over 700 many different times for shows Thats about right. Henderson was with a Christian group that did a strength show all over the country. He used to bench big weights while other guys rolled up frying pans and ripped phone books and whatnot. One of my friends has seen the show and said its was pretty cool. Not something I would attend due to the associated preaching.
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Oct 4, 2011 18:50:58 GMT -5
Max: thanks for your detailed response, I stand corrected and believe your friend repped 635 then. Maybe, as Shawn points out, his butt got way above the bench, and he bounced the crap out of them, is this a possibility? Just curious. I've heard these two things (the pause at the bottom, and keeping the butt on the bench) could take their gym poundage down by a very large margin. So maybe your friend can't do 600 in competition. But if he really is doing 635 for a triple.... just wow, would it be so hard to enter one, just ONE official meet, and get his name on possibly the top 10 or top 5 official benches of all time? That would be kindof cool in my book, if I could do that I'd do it for sure. Again Max thanks for replying in a good way, in these boards many guys take offense when disagreeing and start name-calling and all that stuff. I guess we can leave it as it is and I we don't even have to agree to disagree, I guess I have no problem believing what you personally witnessed as you gain nothing from stating false claims on the net about somebody else other than you. I'm just gonna picture the lifts a little less than "strict". And if you or Stump ever happen to be at the gym with "Hollywood" one day, in this day and age of cameras in every electronic device around, by all means please get such world class strength on video! By the way, on that list, Jeremy Hoornstra did his lift @ 240 bodyweight I believe. If I remember that fact correctly, he is a MONSTER on the bench and would like to see if he could go over that if he gains some weight, after all, Mendleson was 315 when he did 715 and Henderson was 390 when he did 711. But I'm rooting for that Eric Spoto guy, just because he has the cleanest and most bada$$ videos on youtube, likes armwrestling, and has a forearm bigger than my head (and I'm big headed )
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Post by Josh Dale on Oct 4, 2011 18:51:50 GMT -5
Shawn what do you think of the Tank Abbott 600# bench claims? I know it wouldn't pass meet standards but I'd be curious to hear your opinion on it. Thanks in advance.
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Post by Robert Miller on Oct 4, 2011 18:53:26 GMT -5
The list is all raw lifts.... Equipped benches are approaching 1100lbs. Now!!
Scott Mendy holds the raw record @ 715 & a equipped bench of 1031 @ 275 wt. Class!! The man is a benching machine!!!
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Post by 'Stump' Burton on Oct 4, 2011 18:59:15 GMT -5
Max: thanks for your detailed response, I stand corrected and believe your friend repped 635 then. Maybe, as Shawn points out, his butt got way above the bench, and he bounced the crap out of them, is this a possibility? Just curious. I've heard these two things (the pause at the bottom, and keeping the butt on the bench) could take their gym poundage down by a very large margin. So maybe your friend can't do 600 in competition. But if he really is doing 635 for a triple.... just wow, would it be so hard to enter one, just ONE official meet, and get his name on possibly the top 10 or top 5 official benches of all time? That would be kindof cool in my book, if I could do that I'd do it for sure. Again Max thanks for replying in a good way, in these boards many guys take offense when disagreeing and start name-calling and all that stuff. I guess we can leave it as it is and I we don't even have to agree to disagree, I guess I have no problem believing what you personally witnessed as you gain nothing from stating false claims on the net about somebody else other than you. I'm just gonna picture the lifts a little less than "strict". And if you or Stump ever happen to be at the gym with "Hollywood" one day, in this day and age of cameras in every electronic device around, by all means please get such world class strength on video! By the way, on that list, Jeremy Hoornstra did his lift @ 240 bodyweight I believe. If I remember that fact correctly, he is a MONSTER on the bench and would like to see if he could go over that if he gains some weight, after all, Mendleson was 315 when he did 715 and Henderson was 390 when he did 711. But I'm rooting for that Eric Spoto guy, just because he has the cleanest and most bada$$ videos on youtube, likes armwrestling, and has a forearm bigger than my head (and I'm big headed ) Arturo, Hey man, I have been weight lifting for many many many years. My word is good as anyone who knows me knows that. It wasnt an ass lift, it wasnt a bounce off the chest, it was a perfect lift. There are several people in this world that would spend money on food to eat then to enter a competition that they dont have money for. No disrespect intended. But dont down play what me and max saw this man do.
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Post by Robert Miller on Oct 4, 2011 18:59:32 GMT -5
Agreed Arturo.... Jeremy is one of the baddest PFP raw benchers in the world!!
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 19:17:49 GMT -5
no problem Arturo.
the lift i saw was not... i repeat.... WAS NOT a competition lift. nor did i ever state that it was....in fact i stated the opposite. but it was clean...no ass lifting....touch and go.
and to say that a lift means nothing if it isnt on the "platform" comes soff kinda snobbish and demeaning. not everybody cares about competing and the fact that they dont doesnt make their accomplishments any less important IMO.
the whole point of me commenting on this thread at all was just to say that a person shouldnt be so quick to call someone a "liar" "cheater" or "a fake" just because something they did seems hard/Impossible to you.
theres enough negativity in he world without automatically doing whatever you can to discredit someone just for the hell of if...as if their claims/accomplishments somehow lessen your own. that just makes a person seem insecure. who cares even if they are lying.........its irrelevant.
by the way...the guy in the video is no the same hollywood that i am talking about. the guy i knew was not near that big.
(James Henderson is a friggin tank) lol
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Post by Tommy Russell on Oct 4, 2011 20:07:28 GMT -5
I've seen a 200pd. man bench 400pds. To me thats more impressive to me than a 400pd. man benching 1000pds. with that crazy ass shirt on only movin the weight 5 inchs. Big GILES RUSSELL did 500pds. at 50yrs. old weighing 235. There are RAW 600 pd. plus benchers all over the US that dont compete nobody knows about. There all members of the same organization called the PENITENTIARY!!!!!!
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Post by Mike West on Oct 4, 2011 20:20:31 GMT -5
i think there is only like 45 people who have ever passed the 600 mark above I hope Eric makes the list somewhere near the top I have also read somewhere that the real Hollywood has done over 700 many different times for shows Thats about right. Henderson was with a Christian group that did a strength show all over the country. He used to bench big weights while other guys rolled up frying pans and ripped phone books and whatnot. One of my friends has seen the show and said its was pretty cool. Not something I would attend due to the associated preaching. Shawn, the group is "The Power Team", it used to be "John Jacobs and the Power Team", but John is no longer heading up the group.
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