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Post by Alper Cosar on Feb 16, 2012 12:36:03 GMT -5
I dont see Rustam, Zoloev, devon, john, engin, rvj any other top calibre aw losing to an amateur.... That is impossible with a ready go.... However guys like me class b pullers may lose on a bad day maybe....but it is gonna be rare....very rare....
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Post by Robert Drenk on Feb 16, 2012 14:38:32 GMT -5
Neil,
Michael Bisping told me to say hello...
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Post by Neil Pickup on Feb 16, 2012 15:02:34 GMT -5
Ha ha say Hi to him Back mate ;D Mike's a Top Dude and can PULL too on that Lefty, he is Strong and a really good Natural Hook Puller. Tell him I think he was ROBBED !!! I sms'ed him the other Day but we ain't spoke in a while now Cheers Neil
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Post by John Parton on Feb 16, 2012 17:54:56 GMT -5
I have to agree with Alper. Winning a match os often like going through the open hole in a defensive line in a football game, and even a freak like you Rob has them. An elite puller who is not fooling around is going to find that hole and exploit it. I pulled more than one guy when I was young whose arm wound up looking like Travis Robinsons. A mass of power, without the tendons to back it up. I will say someone like you with the hand size and strength would have a definite advantage (as you proved) to coming in and making a name for themselves right away!
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Post by Jody Williams on Feb 16, 2012 18:05:46 GMT -5
I hope this guy does show up to Portland next week!
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Post by Jacob Hale on Feb 18, 2012 15:00:49 GMT -5
RVJ, there is no doubt that you were better on your worst day than chuck young is on his best, but prior to your entrance into the sport, how do you think you would have faired against luke Kindt of today? In other words, if it was a 2004 version of you pulling luke in that supermatch, how do you think it would have went?
Also, I looked up that guy eric spoto and he has created a huge buzz on powerlifting forums. many folks think he is going to shatter the 715lb bench record this year.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 18, 2012 15:28:11 GMT -5
I don't think he would have TRed me.... Some real good toprollers tried And I would have won in a hook
In the beginning my arm was real good out of the gates
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Post by Joseph Cordova on Feb 19, 2012 14:27:22 GMT -5
I wish Chuck would train and learn how to pull then have a supermatch with Stop Sign. That would be entertaining. ;D Aren't they close in weight?
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Post by Marcio Barboza on Feb 19, 2012 20:33:38 GMT -5
It's all good... I really like Luke.... Great puller, real nice guy.... Plus I have this caption in my mind of him doing the cha cha slide with a couple fatties after rotn when we went out.... Cmon, that's my kind of people right there !! I felt bad for the heat chuck took.... Imagine feeling like he did before the event, then getting beat like he did and all the cheers and I told you so against him.... He had to be in a sh;TTY spot... He ponied up the money and showed..... Didn't even perform that bad.... I give him credit How many guys never even put their arm up for fear of losing.... The fact that he stepped up and was humble afterwards says something about him THAT is Bang on the Money as far as I am concerned Rob. I like the Lad, he really didn't know what he was walking into BUT most importantly the Man came to Armwrestle and genuinely tried to Throwdown. That attitude coupled with his humility in the aftermath should be applauded.......at least according to my script. As for the Thread / Topic overall...... When considered carefully and fully in a way both RVJ and the "No Way" Krew...are justified in their beliefs. Are there FREAKS OUT THERE ?...WITHOUT QUESTION, YES.The Top Athletes in our Sport today (almost to a Man) are representative of them.........just trained versions. Can a Gym Strong FREAK compete with a Pro !? THE TRUTH IS that they are FAR MORE LIKELY to be able to compete with Two distinct Pro Athlete Groupings : 1.) The more ONE DIMENSIONAL POWER STYLED ATHLETES (Deep Hookers & Pressers) ie. athletes whose approach to the Sport is less refinement & more Brutal Top End as well as 2.) Those athletes who are relatively technically proficient YET whom have been reliant on that facet in order to achieve their success in the Sport (ie. athletes whom are representative of an averagely strong individual who has become very Technically sound through practice and table time). THESE TWO GROUPS of Pro are DEFINATELY at ever present Risk from the FREAK FACTOR individuals whom walk in the Shadows. WHEN THE STREET FREAK'S CHANCES OF SUCCESS FALL DRAMATICALLY HOWEVER IS WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER THE LEVEL OF ATHLETE WHO IS COMPLETE IN TERMS OF THEIR TECHNICAL PROWESS AT THE TABLE AND THEIR INHERENT GENETIC STRENGTH..........THERE ARE FEWER OF THOSE ATHLETES ABOUT, SURE..........BUT THEY WON'T LOSE TO BACK STREET HERO'S !!!SO IT'S BACK TO THAT AGE OLD QUESTION REALLY : Q.) IS THE SPORT OF ARMWRESTLING ABOUT STRENGTH OR TECHNIQUE......!!? WELL.....WHAT IS THE ANSWER !!!? A.) SUCCESS IN ARMWRESTLING IS DEPENDANT ON HAVING ENOUGH STRENGTH TO MAKE YOUR TECHNIQUE EFFECTIVE ON YOUR OPPONENT............END OF !!!That said therefore, the Athlete whom is both STRONG enough & TECHNICALLY VERSATILE enough, WILL always find a way around "THE STREET FREAK" who may indeed be able to defeat experienced athletes with lesser degree's of one or both of these key elements Cheers Neil Great post!!!
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Post by Robert Miller on Feb 19, 2012 21:09:03 GMT -5
Great thread Rob... Ive met guys big & small who have a natural talent for AW'ing & dont even reliaze it. They tend to be guys that work w/ there hands, ie. construction workers, mechanices, plumbers, masons, carpenters etc. etc... Ive had some of em' give me fits @ work, the gym or at the local bar... some of these dudes could be awesome if they had the training & desire to be good... thats the magic bullet or missing link so to speak! Those freaks do exist as you said Rob... & w/ training & desire you get a top tier guy or national champion such as yourself..!
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Post by Ryan Adams on Feb 19, 2012 23:35:44 GMT -5
I don't think he would have TRed me.... Some real good toprollers tried And I would have won in a hook In the beginning my arm was real good out of the gates Rob how do you think the 2004 version of yourself MINUS all your grip training would have faired against today's Luke Kindt? The grip training you had before is what allowed you to not get your hand/wrist dominated.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 20, 2012 7:27:21 GMT -5
That would be like asking me how would I have fared had I never lifted weights...it could go on and on. I mean chuck young thought he was something because he did concrete work for 25 years.... That's a form of training. Point is...chuck could have been a grip freak too.... But because he wasn't known specifically in AW he was automatically taken as a joke.... Like no other sports, activities or walks of life carry over to AW.
About my specific case.... What saved me.. I had naturally strong hands.... And they are long I gripped everyone low... Real low.... Around the wrist low... With my hand length I got a healthy way around.... Like a rolling thunder.... No one could apply the pressure in that grip to threaten my hand... Even though I was unaware of the importance of the hand. The way I saw it was I could pick up the inch dumbbell... I didn't think anyone could apply that kind of poundage ... Even the elites.... I don't see anyone cranking a REAL 170+ on a hand
Ironically... I took my first losses when I learned how I was supposed to pull. I developed some bad habits that minimized my hand and took some of my strengths out of the game.... These still haunt me from time to time because repetition made it comfortable... Even though my brain tells my body it's wrong.
Too bad engin or John didn't set up shop in MA back then
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Post by Dustin Morgan on Feb 20, 2012 17:39:59 GMT -5
The first tourny I ever entered was a Pro one in Jan/Feb of '06 I believe. 198 L and R at the NAA II at the Black Bear. Took 3rd lefty beating guys like Vinikoor and Shoey. Had no idea really what I was doing. Lost to RVJ and Scott Chimalewski (sp?) Rob beat me with power and scott beat me with speed. Looking back on it now, I think that was pretty good.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 20, 2012 17:50:59 GMT -5
Chimelewski twisted up a lot of people..... Can't think if I have seen a hit match his
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Post by Ryan Adams on Feb 20, 2012 19:28:15 GMT -5
Chimelewski twisted up a lot of people..... Can't think if I have seen a hit match his Rob do you still generally like to grip low? If not, why?
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