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Post by John Byerley on Apr 14, 2012 20:14:56 GMT -5
I don't believe for one second the whole "romney is no better than obama" stuff thats crazy talk to me....i place obama on a pedestal that no one has ever reached in terms of trying to forever change this country.
although i liked some of what santorum said at times i never liked him - pretty easy to see through him...he was never gonna make it further than this, and hes pretty self-destructive..
only one I like thats left truly is ron paul - but he wont get elected this century.
theres only a few people i would LIKE to see get in the race right now but its probly just not gonna happen.
b4 obama got elected i knew what he was gonna do and how he was gona act, im not sue about romney and what exactly he'll do or not do, but to think his policies will be more damaging or even as damaging as obamas? i stand by it, thats crazy - i havent liked him from the get go, but its more of a personality thing i dont like about him, not because i think hes an evil bastard
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Post by Michael Wells on Apr 14, 2012 22:57:22 GMT -5
It's sad to say, but Romney is the same as Obama. Just look at what they have agreed on. What he's done is very different than what he says he'll do. He flip-flops so often that you can only go by what his record shows. And it's not Conservative views
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Post by John Byerley on Apr 15, 2012 1:14:11 GMT -5
with every ounce of intellect i have I'll guarantee romney will be a better president that obama...
as far as flip flopping - personally dont care as long as you flip in the right direction.
it should be a person prerogative to change for the better - will he stick to this "change"? only time will tell....but when it comes to social policy, oil, foreign policy, supreme court future picks? obama and romney share little of the same direction, i'm telling you all this romney obama same stuff is garbage - santorum very publicly and very obviously had a meltdown and when he started spewing that he lost what little credibility he had left.
if romney some how does get the nomination and if he wins the presidency mark my words he'll be 10x less destructive as obama, and HOPEFULLY productive in the meantime..
but if CONSERVATIVE people, once romney gets the nomination, go running about OH THEy ARE THE SAME OH ROMNEY IS LIKE OBAMAS BROTHER YADA YADA YADA - then get ready for 4 more years of obama - seems like too many hopes n dreams are being injected into this race as far as the RIGHT person running, NEWSFLASH - the right conservatives are NOT running? we got what we got?
anyone who is anti-romney might as well start donating their paychecks to obamas reelection campaign - makes about as much sense at this point
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Post by Michael Wells on Apr 15, 2012 10:14:55 GMT -5
There are a bit more areas where they are in the same mind. Obama/Romneycare, goin green, etc. it's far from garbage. What's garbage is how people are standing behind this guy when he is NOT the nominee. It is still open. I mean, why vote for the guy if you don't want him (for the Rep candidate)? Vote for the better one and see how it pans out. It's not over
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Post by Michael Wells on Apr 15, 2012 10:16:00 GMT -5
Maybe it's over in essence, but I'm not giving up. We do not want Romney or Obama
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 15, 2012 11:42:53 GMT -5
Ron Paul won't get elected if everybody is brainwashed into thinking Romney has the nomination already. It's not over yet.
People have got to wake up from this! It's obvious nonsense.
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Post by John Wilson on Apr 15, 2012 13:41:03 GMT -5
What you have to remember is that the primary is not won by popular vote. It is all about the Delegate count. Poll after poll, Romney was second but he keeps getting all the delegates. That's all that counts.
Unless a bunch of delegates flip and pull a coup at the convention, Romney has it nailed down.
The delegates were all in rge tank for Romney before it started. The delegates are RNC picks. The RNC is NOT conservative which is why long term RNC Congressional hacks got thrown out with the Libs in the 2010 election where popular vote matters and delegate shills have no sway.
This is the convention. Popular vote has no vote. The nominee will be a party pick and you can take that to the bank.
Ron Paul has no delegates behind him. That ship has sailed as far as being the RNC nominee.
Like Byerly says, at this point it looks like Romney and all you can do is be cautiously optimistic.
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Post by John Byerley on Apr 15, 2012 15:28:38 GMT -5
not about being brainwashed its about being realistic - im for whoever gets the conservative nomination...not over yet but statistically and realistically its probably going to be romney.
the people i would like to run arent running so my choices are limited - and i dont believe in anyone of them so much that im gonna go start marching with a sign saying vote for this guy.
if its ron paul HAS to be the nominee then i hope both of you are spending 30 hours a week + campaigning for him because it will take that times 1,000,000 other supporters doing the same to make it happen, until then its just YAP YAP YAP
ok the statement was made BUT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THEY AGREE WITH...
#1 thats over simplification of major issues #2 saying two people agree on some issues is vastly different than saying they are the SAME
take healthcare - the healthcare system is broke, romney was governor of a somewhat SMALL state...he tried it, it didnt work, and to my knowledge correct me if im wrong he admits that?
we blow millions upon billions of dollars on CRAP projects - if a state wants to try a universal healthcare program then depending on demographics, it might work it might not depending on how its structured. What will work in a small state light rhode island or in a lightly populated state like idaho - probably wont work in a massively populated state with a bunch of no-working deadbeats like california or new york.
the key is not that he TRIED universal healthcare in his state, its did he try it? yes. was it a success? no. does he realize that? yes, will he try universal healthcare across the country? no
you can talk all day long about the ELITEST MOVEMENT - about one world government - about the bilderburg group, and about 99 other things that dont make sense to your average stupid voter.
people vote mainly on what sounds good, thats reality, get used to it.
ron paul is a great man in my opinion in terms of ideology and common sense...his only downfall is how to communicate his ideals on a level that doesnt confuse less than adequately intelligent conservatives...i believe if he allowed himself a bit more coaching before this last campaign from someone who knows what their talking about when it comes to PR, he would have a GREAT chance at the nomination.
nobody follows this crap closer than myself and its been an up and down roller coaster from day one...i was hoping herman cain would do well, because hes somewhat normal and believable...he was destroyed, i was hoping newt would put his arrogance aside and run a smart campaign - not because i love him to death, because putting him next to obama in debates with his talent, would showcase obamas stupidity and activist tendencies.
i never liked santorum for many reasons although i agree with MOST of his policies - and my fears about him were all justified the last few months of his campaign.
ron paul has not got the traction needed with ENOUGH of the voting block and the media doesnt give him any chance - for those reasons its extremely unlikely he will come close to the nomination, can gripe about that all day long but you dont have to be brainwashed to see whats going on, and ASSUME what will happen next.
the few things mentioned of HOW OBAMA AND ROMNEY ARE ALIKE are poor excuses for saying something as large as THEY ARE THE SAME...i could write a 100 page essay on their differences, just like i could do for cain, huckabee, ron paul, or most other conservatives - but its pretty obvous their differences if you dont get sucked in to the few similarities that arent really similarities at all, if you compare apples to apples
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 15, 2012 15:50:10 GMT -5
Ron Paul has more delegates than the news reports
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