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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on Aug 13, 2012 1:02:34 GMT -5
Hey guys & gals
In case you didn't know my natural weight is 167 an has been 25 years.
I'm honored to be listed with the best US Pullers.
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Post by kyledarby on Aug 13, 2012 2:41:45 GMT -5
Vazgen Corey Miller Kyle Knapp Jamie Sheldon Rick Soliwada Ethan Fritche Geoff Hale Marlin Hicks Justin Bishop Rj Molinere That would be sick I wouldn't put RJ in this company. If this was a historical discussion, yes, but now, NO. That is disputable. Once you achieve a certain level you don't just lose it. Between skill and muscle memory Rj could be back in the mix easy. There are many that would make an outstanding class. |
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Post by JAMIE SHELDON on Aug 13, 2012 4:12:50 GMT -5
First off, yes I would add Talbott, Kindt, and many others to this list. I have a problem with ONE post on this thread. Mr Schnell, according to you, those without national titles should not be listed?  I guess in this case and current listing, since I dont have a NATIONAL title I should not be on here, correct? I have beaten several NATIONAL champions. Delving further, I train with pullers WITHOUT "National" titles that can, have, and DO beat National Champions. In fact, I personally have beat NATIONAL CHAMPIONS in weight classes higher than mine. Your post does bring up previous thread issues regarding STATUS and CREDABILITY of said titles but a title is a title according to the powers that be. Those who have NOT "Earned" one or "Won" one or even "Easily Obtained" one should not be counted out of top consideration for events such as the one stated in this thread. |
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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 13, 2012 6:07:42 GMT -5
Marlon Hicks & Matt Wiggens are two killers from Canada and should definately be on there
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Post by Alan Berget on Aug 13, 2012 6:17:44 GMT -5
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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 13, 2012 6:46:54 GMT -5
Marlins name has already been mentioned. People know he's the real deal at 165. Matt Wiggens isnt known so well and is on par with Marlin even beating him at this years Nationals
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Post by John Schnell on Aug 13, 2012 8:48:01 GMT -5
Jamie,
Not singling you out, but I think the qualification begs the question; why DON'T you have a national title? Bad draw? Styles make matches? Got fried in a long, drawn-out match? Whatever the answer I feel it has legitamacy. [rhetorical]
In this group of (already) 20 or so names, I imagine that there are only 2 ways to run this group. First a randomly seeded bracket, double elimination. How winning a national title reflects on this should be evident. Different styles, completely dependent on draw, might get into a couple dogfights. If somebody wasn't able to go through a nationals bracket with, lets be honest, at least 1 or 2 easy matches. How would that same person be justified in a bracket with nothing but hard ones?
If a round robin, enduro type of event, then this is all about the stamina. While having a national title doesn't reflect on this type of event, any excuse of losing that national title due to having a couple hard matches is invalid.
National champions have typically earned respect due to making it through a bracket of (mostly) top-level guys, pulling different styles through that bracket, and having enough left in the tank to finish it off. It is a good benchmark when these discussions come up regarding "who's the best", because they have proved it. Whacking a national champ once in a tournament or at practice doesn't prove it. Having a champ's number doesn't prove it. Going out and winning one for yourself despite the difficulty that entails, proves it.
At the end of the day, I am not setting this up, and your 100 is just as good as anybody else's. If the organizer wants Jamie Sheldon, then good luck man, I hope you do your very best. It isn't my intention to speak poorly of anybody mentioned.
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Post by Matt Wiggens on Aug 13, 2012 10:27:40 GMT -5
thanks Will, i think the weight cap of 165 is too high, i would like to see it around 160 to keep some of the natural 176s out of it.
btw i just FINALLY got signed up to this message board, and its wiggins with an I. LOL
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Post by Justin "Bama Bull" Bishop on Aug 13, 2012 15:01:31 GMT -5
I agree with the cap being a lil lower and john i think you think to much who cares who has what i mean i give respect to you 4 wining it but lets get real, to me that dont mean nothing when you put your arm up on the table in my short time in the sport ive beat mulitable time national champions and world champions. Not saying there not champions they just dont train like they used to or w/e the reason. JMO its whos hot right now
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Post by Robin the manhandler Chandler on Aug 13, 2012 15:44:32 GMT -5
I totally love the eye of the tiger all u biship boys have and after pulling josh i respect you all aswell you all know what you want and go get it to me that is what will make a champion and i believe jamie is as good as anyone in the top ten on any givin day i know u will get a national title one day my skinny friend =)
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Aug 13, 2012 15:56:26 GMT -5
Vazgen Corey Miller Kyle Knapp Jamie Sheldon Rick Soliwada Ethan Fritche Geoff Hale Marlin Hicks Justin Bishop Rj Molinere That would be sick I wouldn't put RJ in this company. If this was a historical discussion, yes, but now, NO. Thats not entirely true my friend. RJ has and can come out of nowhere and kick some A$$, he has done it before, in fact at the arnolds. Never count him out!! But he needs to take a break from the movie star life and get back on the table. |
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Post by Herman Stevens on Aug 13, 2012 19:14:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't put RJ in this company. If this was a historical discussion, yes, but now, NO. Thats not entirely true my friend. RJ has and can come out of nowhere and kick some A$$, he has done it before, in fact at the arnolds. Never count him out!! But he needs to take a break from the movie star life and get back on the table. Well, let's double the list and talk about everyone that can come back... |
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Post by Joel Goodsell on Aug 13, 2012 21:48:23 GMT -5
Aslan Albegov
Dan Bellefeuille
Debis Dubruil can still make 65's im pretty sure
Paul Belluz
Chris Gobby can always mix it up.
Nicola Gazzeto can make 165.
Mike Barrett
Maksim Khodau
and ill throw my name in there for the hell of it. Maybe not right now but in a few years
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Post by Bill Collins on Aug 13, 2012 22:42:31 GMT -5
Some of the best are already set up for Oct, with 1800 cash and prize ....
Craig Tullier
Luke Kindt
Corey Miller
Devin Bain
Simon Berriochoa
Chad Silvers
Ethan Fritsche
Anthony Dall'Antonia
Jake Smith
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Post by Eddie Hines on Aug 14, 2012 10:11:47 GMT -5
Well I can't compare with that Bill, that's for sure. Maybe I can still get some power down here if you haven't claimed all the lightweights yet. lol Come on guys, any lightweights interested? I know everyone isn't going to Cali.
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I guess in this case and current listing, since I dont have a NATIONAL title I should not be on here, correct? I have beaten several NATIONAL champions. Delving further, I train with pullers WITHOUT "National" titles that can, have, and DO beat National Champions. In fact, I personally have beat NATIONAL CHAMPIONS in weight classes higher than mine. Your post does bring up previous thread issues regarding STATUS and CREDABILITY of said titles but a title is a title according to the powers that be. Those who have NOT "Earned" one or "Won" one or even "Easily Obtained" one should not be counted out of top consideration for events such as the one stated in this thread.
