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Post by andystidham on Sept 16, 2012 16:27:27 GMT -5
That would be great bro, It might help the MS pullers out a bit. I'm thinking something like u had jeff at a sports bar perhaps. I'm sure we have a car load that would come from just tuscaloosa and all would be mainly novice just jumping in the sport ! Just don't wanna step on anyones toes that have a tournament that mth.
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Post by Jeff Janes on Sept 16, 2012 20:38:27 GMT -5
I don't think it would be stepping on anyone's toes since the only tournament I see posted is FL state on December 9th and its really to far away to pull any novices away from that tournament. I say go for it. Tupelo is 4 hours from me but we have several novice pullers much closer to Tupelo than that.
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Post by Cody Comeaux on Sept 16, 2012 21:16:05 GMT -5
Why is everyone so stuck on doing a novice only tournament? A tournament in MS sounds like a great idea since is in between AL and LA, but limiting it to novice is going to hurt it. Why not have novice and open classes? If you think about it, guys that pull open aren't as likely to show up just to watch a tournament, and many times, they are the ones bringing many novice pullers with them to tournament?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Sept 16, 2012 21:56:08 GMT -5
Yup^^
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Post by David Owens on Sept 17, 2012 0:34:47 GMT -5
Why is everyone so stuck on doing a novice only tournament? A tournament in MS sounds like a great idea since is in between AL and LA, but limiting it to novice is going to hurt it. Why not have novice and open classes? If you think about it, guys that pull open aren't as likely to show up just to watch a tournament, and many times, they are the ones bringing many novice pullers with them to tournament? Again, what is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results! There countless open class events geared towards all the same people, so at this point with the amount of pullers out there to support ALL of these events why would we continue to water down tournaments by adding more of them? A novice only event is not meant to draw open class spectators it is meant to bring in new people and bring them into an environment where they can be competitive immediately, it open class pullers were bringing novice pullers to every event the novice classes would be stacked right? Yet we constantly see results posted with 2 or 3 people in a class ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) How many of you like long drawn out events? So what makes you think someone who is just dabbling into the sport is going to like it? There is a place for novice/open events actually the majority correct? If its gonna grow its only gonna happen by bringing in people from the 99.9% who are not armwrestlers crowd.
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Post by Joe Hunt on Sept 17, 2012 8:45:30 GMT -5
To have an over the top Novice tournament in MS you really should look into the large college towns. Starksville, Hattiesburg, or Oxford......Its the right time of year also with football in full swing the guys will pile in for bragging rights. I had one set up in 2010 Hattiesburg at the Remington Hunting Club, but work and real life made me cancel it. There was still a ton of people showed up so i went home got a table and we had a huge round robin and the bar gave free round to the winner of each match.
Just a thought from a Mississippi Boy who held a few crappy tournaments.
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Post by John Toups on Sept 17, 2012 9:07:30 GMT -5
To have an over the top Novice tournament in MS you really should look into the large college towns. Starksville, Hattiesburg, or Oxford......Its the right time of year also with football in full swing the guys will pile in for bragging rights. I had one set up in 2010 Hattiesburg at the Remington Hunting Club, but work and real life made me cancel it. There was still a ton of people showed up so i went home got a table and we had a huge round robin and the bar gave free round to the winner of each match. Just a thought from a Mississippi Boy who held a few crappy tournaments. Remington Hunting Club.....that place is the sh*t! ![:-*](http://maine-armwrestling.com/emoticons/drunk.gif)
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Post by Jeff Janes on Sept 17, 2012 11:34:18 GMT -5
You could always have some pro supermatches for $$ or rank that wouldn't mind helping with the reffing. Having the pull first can ramp up the excitement and novice pullers will get to see what it's like before they are up. I thought about an open tournament at mine but did different for many reasons. I had 45 entries in 7 classes with the largest class of 13 and had a blast. If I can talk them into giving away a Harley to an arm wrestler then we will make it an open tournament. Ultimately up to the person hosting the tournament, I'll support you either way.
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Post by Karen Bean on Sept 17, 2012 11:48:42 GMT -5
I don't think it would be stepping on anyone's toes since the only tournament I see posted is FL state on December 9th and its really to far away to pull any novices away from that tournament. I say go for it. Tupelo is 4 hours from me but we have several novice pullers much closer to Tupelo than that. Jeff, a great number of pullers from AL and LA travel to Florida State EVERY year! So, no, FL State isn't too far. The South travels!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Karen Bean on Sept 17, 2012 11:50:29 GMT -5
You could always have some pro supermatches for $$ or rank that wouldn't mind helping with the reffing. NO, NO, and PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is one of the biggest misconceptions of our sport today. Tournament directors that don't hire "quality" referees and rely on the "pros" to show up and help. Trust me, more "pros" don't know all the rules than do! Not to mention, you're talking about Novice - newcomers, beginners - so you better make sure you have qualified top notch people on the table refereeing.
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Post by Jeff Janes on Sept 17, 2012 14:31:50 GMT -5
You could always have some pro supermatches for $$ or rank that wouldn't mind helping with the reffing. NO, NO, and PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is one of the biggest misconceptions of our sport today. Tournament directors that don't hire "quality" referees and rely on the "pros" to show up and help. Trust me, more "pros" don't know all the rules than do! Not to mention, you're talking about Novice - newcomers, beginners - so you better make sure you have qualified top notch people on the table refereeing. Let me rephrase what I meant. Pros that have experience with Novice and are comfortable with the rules and put pulling safe before everything else. TAA has several that may be able to help if there was a match involved or incentive for them to travel that far to ref. A novice tournament in northern MS shouldn't conflict with FL state especially if others come from TN to support a novice event. Do you disagree?
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Post by Cody Comeaux on Sept 17, 2012 20:18:32 GMT -5
Why is everyone so stuck on doing a novice only tournament? A tournament in MS sounds like a great idea since is in between AL and LA, but limiting it to novice is going to hurt it. Why not have novice and open classes? If you think about it, guys that pull open aren't as likely to show up just to watch a tournament, and many times, they are the ones bringing many novice pullers with them to tournament? Again, what is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results! There countless open class events geared towards all the same people, so at this point with the amount of pullers out there to support ALL of these events why would we continue to water down tournaments by adding more of them? A novice only event is not meant to draw open class spectators it is meant to bring in new people and bring them into an environment where they can be competitive immediately, it open class pullers were bringing novice pullers to every event the novice classes would be stacked right? Yet we constantly see results posted with 2 or 3 people in a class ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) How many of you like long drawn out events? So what makes you think someone who is just dabbling into the sport is going to like it? There is a place for novice/open events actually the majority correct? If its gonna grow its only gonna happen by bringing in people from the 99.9% who are not armwrestlers crowd. Most of the tournaments I have gone to have many novice pullers show. And like I said, many of them are the ones that the open pullers bring with them, and have been training with more experienced pullers. And yes supermatches may be a way to help it out. Being from the south, there are very few close tournaments, meaning I have to travel to go to them as well. So the more closer tournaments the better. If there are novice only tournaments turning away the experienced pullers, how do you expect to keep their interest too? Remember, the experienced people need to be there as well to try and help "recruit" the novices pullers and help train them! What's the point in having a bunch of novice pullers trying to learn from each other?
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Post by Cody Comeaux on Sept 17, 2012 20:20:50 GMT -5
NO, NO, and PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is one of the biggest misconceptions of our sport today. Tournament directors that don't hire "quality" referees and rely on the "pros" to show up and help. Trust me, more "pros" don't know all the rules than do! Not to mention, you're talking about Novice - newcomers, beginners - so you better make sure you have qualified top notch people on the table refereeing. Let me rephrase what I meant. Pros that have experience with Novice and are comfortable with the rules and put pulling safe before everything else. TAA has several that may be able to help if there was a match involved or incentive for them to travel that far to ref. A novice tournament in northern MS shouldn't conflict with FL state especially if others come from TN to support a novice event. Do you disagree? Have the TN guys go to FL and then everyone go to this MS tournament on another weekend! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by David Owens on Sept 17, 2012 21:28:05 GMT -5
Again, what is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results! There countless open class events geared towards all the same people, so at this point with the amount of pullers out there to support ALL of these events why would we continue to water down tournaments by adding more of them? A novice only event is not meant to draw open class spectators it is meant to bring in new people and bring them into an environment where they can be competitive immediately, it open class pullers were bringing novice pullers to every event the novice classes would be stacked right? Yet we constantly see results posted with 2 or 3 people in a class ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) How many of you like long drawn out events? So what makes you think someone who is just dabbling into the sport is going to like it? There is a place for novice/open events actually the majority correct? If its gonna grow its only gonna happen by bringing in people from the 99.9% who are not armwrestlers crowd. Most of the tournaments I have gone to have many novice pullers show. And like I said, many of them are the ones that the open pullers bring with them, and have been training with more experienced pullers. And yes supermatches may be a way to help it out. Being from the south, there are very few close tournaments, meaning I have to travel to go to them as well. So the more closer tournaments the better. If there are novice only tournaments turning away the experienced pullers, how do you expect to keep their interest too? Remember, the experienced people need to be there as well to try and help "recruit" the novices pullers and help train them! What's the point in having a bunch of novice pullers trying to learn from each other? What good is that open class tournament going to be if there is one close enough to drive to every weekend? Armwrestlers will do what they must and pick and choose which ones to attend and hope that enough people show up to pull......just because there is a tournament doesn't mean there will be support for it You are talking about a state where there are little to no armwrestlers, it it is promoted well what you will most likely have is 20 to 30 locals and a few who travel, if you offer both at small events like this it should be large weight classes or the promoter will be taking prizes home......personally I hate that, it's not good for the promoters or the armwrestlers. I'm not saying an open/novice tournament wouldn't work well in Miss, I guess that depends on if everyone travels to it, what I am saying is there many very good reasons for having novice only events and promoters who will correctly regulate them.
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