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Post by Frank Bean on Sept 16, 2004 8:49:22 GMT -5
Mr. Sargent,
Are you certain the story copied below is correct. Is there anything you haven't included?
Frank Bean
Re: Simon « Reply #10 on: Sep 15th, 2004, 2:26pm » <http://216.40.206.219/boardimages/buttons/quote.gif> Hey Christian you want a good story about the AAA and how they gave up on certain areas of the country <http://216.40.206.219/boardimages/huh.gif> I have a good one for you.. Now this is first hand and exactly how it happened.. When Al and Lia Virelli retired as state directors of the AAA they handed it off to me... At the time I thought it was a great honor and immediately fired off an e-mail to the Beans to introduce myself.. Weeks went by without a word, so in my naturally sarcastic way I went on the AAA board and pretty much called them out and asked them infront of the whole board why they weren't replying to my e-mails... I instantly came under attack by numerous "anons", asking my why I'm calling them out on the board and making this a public matter.. It really got out of control... Finally I got an e-mail from Frank saying he must of missed the e-mails or they were away. We communicated back and forth for a couple of days and all of a sudden I received an e-mail from Karen asking who I was, why I felt I was qualified and why she hadn't heard from the Virellis prior to this.. So I answered all the questions regarding who I was and what I intended on doing and referred her to Al and Lia as far as why they retired.. I didn't hear back again for weeks( NOW IF YOU THINK I'M BULL@#$%ING JUST ASK CHRIS GANGI he was there the whole time) So anyways I went on the AAA board again to find out why I was getting no response and again I was assaulted by "anons".. This is when I realized how controling Karen can be, I received an e-mail giving me her # and asking me to call her. OK so I did.. I was almost immediately greeted with "I (meaning Karen) won't accept you as the new state director until I officially hear from Al and Lia and discuss with them their decision.. I called Al & Lia and told them about the call and they said they would call her and explain to her.. I was promised several times by Lia that it had been done and so I called Karen to find out what else I needed to do to be officially listed as the state director and low and behold I was blown off again telling me she hadn't heard from the Virellis and until she did they where going to stay listed as the state director..
I told the Virellis and they even went as far as writing Karen but it was to no avail. Why you ask!! I have my opinion. I think it was because she really didn't know me and didn't want a state director that she couldn't control,especially in an area of the country that they were loosing to the USAA..
SO there it is Christian a story just for you!!! Well not really a story cause this one is100% fact...
Damn are others going to be able to read this thing <http://216.40.206.219/boardimages/wink.gif> <http://216.40.206.219/boardimages/huh.gif>
Your Brother in Arms <http://216.40.206.219/boardimages/ip.gif>
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Post by Vic Sargent on Sept 16, 2004 9:03:38 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!! IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WENT THROUGH AND WHAT I WAS TOLD BY ALL PARTIES CONCERNED.... However if you believe there is another side feel free to express it or contact me direct.. If you HONESTLY feel there was been a misunderstanding I would be more than happy to discuss it.. I think there was been enough open debates and I really feel it is all hurting the sport. So maybe I shouldn't have posted what I did but even though it was in the past it still hurts when I hear of similar things happening to others... You are more than welcome to contact me directly if you prefer through e-mail at sargeatarms@msn.com or by phone @(860)585-7347...
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 16, 2004 9:56:18 GMT -5
Hey Frank, where in my post did I ever want to here stories on how AAA gave up on certain areas of the Country? I asked John to tell stories on his dealings with the AAA, after Travis brought it up And he has not. I posted how it S##Ks that there are no AAA events up here anymore, if there are some I apologize ( N.J. I believe ). Thats NOT a dig. And everything you posted to Vic for us to read, sorry but my server was not able to find it. Damn apple computer!
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Post by Frank Bean on Sept 16, 2004 10:13:13 GMT -5
Mr. Sargent,
You chose to attempt to discredit us by placing your story in public, therefore I will respond in public. Here are copies of email correspondence that took place in 2002 between us (Frank and Karen Bean) and yourself regarding your possible State Directorship in CT.
Our communication shows EXACTLY what transpired and at no time were you treated badly, demanded "who are you", or brushed off. When there are State Directors in any state, they automatically receive consideration and common courtesy if someone else wants to become a State Director in the same state. This consideration and courtesy was shown to Al & Lia. THEY never responded, which we cannot be the blame of. Then, because of their failure to respond, all State Director information was sent to you and you stated you had printer problems. You finally stated, after we email you again since we hadn't heard from you, that your printer was fixed and you were sending everything to us.
Mr. Sargent, you sent nothing to us. No one ignored you, no one was rude to you, and no one disallowed you because they thought they couldn't control you. You dropped the ball Mr. Sargent and didn't follow through.
After reading the emails below can you please tell me:
#1 - Where any of your "story" is factual
#2 - Where Karen demonstrated "CONTROL"
From - Mon Jul 01 08:35:01 2002 X-UIDL: 17oQPW7z93NZFlp0.0 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Status: U Return-Path: <sargeatarms@msn.com> Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.33.123]) by kestrel (Earthlink/Onemain SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 17oQPW7z93NZFlp0 for <armsport@usit.net>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:22:43 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.21.199.242] From: "victor sargent" <sargeatarms@msn.com> To: "armsport" <armsport@usit.net> Subject: Re: CT State Director Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:22:44 -0400
Thanks for your concern. I have indeed got all my computer problems fixed and have printed all the info you were kind enough to send me regarding this matter. You should be receiving my membership dues within the week. I have not changed my mind regarding this issue so I will work on my bio for you and e-mail it to you a.s.a.p. Hope you had an enjoyable weekend and look forward to corresponding again.
Take Care Victor Sargent
----- Original Message ----- From: armsport Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:15 PM To: victor sargent Subject: Re: CT State Director
Victor,
Where do we stand on the State Director issue? Hopefully you've gotten everything repaired and up and running now. We haven't heard anything from you, so let us know if there's anything we can do on our end to help you out.
victor sargent wrote:
Mr. Bean,
Yes I do want to get things rolling in CT however I've been plagued with little annoyances, such as my printer/scanner/copier went down and I'm in the process of getting it repaired. This obviously makes it very difficult to print, scan, and e-mail everything I need to you. I'm just about livid about this because I intend on putting on a tournament either July 13th or 20th. As soon as everything is up and running you will be the first to hear from me. Thank you for your follow up, I'm glad to see that some of the negative things I heard about the AAA not caring about the New England area are not true. Regarding this comment, do you have any intentions of re-establishing the AAA in New England? I've told Karen over the phone that Alan Stilkey is only performing his duties as an IAF director and has told many of us that he was kicked out of the AAA. Whether this is true or not I felt you should be aware of this and possibly avoid any further "bad press".
Thanks Again Victor Sargent
----- Original Message ----- From: armsport Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:19 AM To: victor sargent Subject: Re: CT State Director
Mr. Sargent,
It seems from your email and your post on the AAA message board that you were in a bit of a hurry to receive information regarding State Directorship. We haven't heard from you and wanted to make certain you received the information we sent.
victor sargent wrote:
> Dear Frank and Karen, > > My name is Victor Sargent and have talked to you regarding the > Virellis' wanting to step down as current state directors, however > for what ever reason they have not contacted you regarding this issue > even though I told them of your request. So what am I suppose to do? > Wait around forever? I have found people who want to sponsor a > tournament and a place looking forward to holding the event, but I > want this to be something special, seeing it would be my first > tournament as the new state director. But until we can get this > resolved I don't feel it would be fair to do the work and have someone > else indirectly get credit for my efforts, Do You? Please write me > back regarding this issue, I know the AAA has lost a lot of the New > England area to the IAF I don't want Connecticut to be another one.
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Post by Frank Bean on Sept 16, 2004 10:15:23 GMT -5
Hey Frank, where in my post did I ever want to here stories on how AAA gave up on certain areas of the Country? I asked John to tell stories on his dealings with the AAA, after Travis brought it up And he has not. I posted how it S##Ks that there are no AAA events up here anymore, if there are some I apologize ( N.J. I believe ). Thats NOT a dig. And everything you posted to Vic for us to read, sorry but my server was not able to find it. Damn apple computer! Christian, I dont' know what you're asking me about stories. I didn't take your post about no AAA contests up your way as a dig. Everything I posted to Vic was copied. Vic posted it under the "Simon" topic.
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Post by Vic Sargent on Sept 16, 2004 10:23:57 GMT -5
that's fine and as I said we did exchange e-mails for awhile but it was after all that when it went wrong.. I send everything in never heard back and when I called to find out what was going on that is when the whole" Until we officially hear from the Virellis we can't go any further.. Not once did you ever say you heard from them or received their letter, which by the way Lia told me they sent out... So no matter how you pick and choose what you present here the fact still remains you still lost another New England state..
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Post by Vic Sargent on Sept 16, 2004 10:38:02 GMT -5
Oh and by the way if in fact Al and Lia did not respond then I can be man enough to appologize, however they told me they did in fact contact you numerous times and sent a letter... SO who am I supposed to believe??? Also what about the fact that I did send everything that was asked of me to you.. I did sent the whole package back along with my dues and picture but yet I never heard back.. Soo who dropped what ball???
I guess all it proves is that everyone can have a different opinion of a situation given the facts that they are presented with. Maybe all my disappointment toward the AAA is ill gotten because someone told me they took care of an issue and didn't. Don't know and at this point I'm not really going to worry about it...
Do I wish this never happened? OFCOURSE!! But it is how I feel and all I really concern myself with is: my family first, my job, and armwrestling.. And being able to put tournaments on whenever I can...
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Post by James on Sept 16, 2004 10:40:53 GMT -5
Hey Vic, you're wrong. They are right about everything and even when they might not be they have more imaginery friends in the minds of a whole elementary school. You might as well drop it, b/c they'll put the issue through the entire spin cycle and come out looking white as snow to all 15 of their supporters.
I am impressed with their PR techniques, however, even as deceitful as they are. I studied PR and worked in the business and understand the science. Since last week, they have used the whole gambit of moves like Bobby Fisher. Leave it alone Vic. They are trying to keep the fire lit at the campground and the rain is coming down. The wind is blowing and so is the hot air.
So let it go Vic. They'll just keep posting along with LA Lady, who probably needs LA Fitness and LA weightloss center to help her more than she needs us. LET IT GO. Don't even pay them any mind. They are just a blip on the radar screen.
Come back with all of the insults you want FRANK, KAREN, JAMES, HEATHER, CHRIS, LA LADY. Whoever? You lost already.
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Post by Vic Sargent on Sept 16, 2004 10:45:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the support James
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Post by Frank Bean on Sept 16, 2004 10:58:18 GMT -5
Mr. Sargent,
June 30, 2002 you stated in your email you had received everything, we should receive your membership within a week, you would work on your bio and email it asap. Well, where is all of it? If you sent in let's just say for example your membership dues. Why have you NEVER phoned or emailed to ask where your Armbender magazines and membership card are?
You have NEVER been a member of the AAA, Mr. Sargent? Why? Because you sent in no membership form or dues so how can you even state you sent everything in to us?
You have NEVER sent your bio via email or regular mail. It's abundantly clear that you were being given the State Directorship for CT, especially when we received no response from the Virelli's. We don't ask for a bio from anyone that has not already been accepted.
We have stated the facts as they happened. We can do no more other than ask the same in return.
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Post by James on Sept 16, 2004 11:00:27 GMT -5
Hey Vic, good luck Saturday. Let us know how everything goes. I am having practice that day, but don't be shy give me a ring and let me know how everyone did. Thanks buddy. I think that's what Frank meant to say too. It just came out wrong.
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Post by Vic Sargent on Sept 16, 2004 11:15:30 GMT -5
OH REALLY FRANK??? Then explain how me and my wife both competed at the Nationals in 97 in Arlington... Maybe you can tell me how it was that Dave Patton weighed me in that morning??? Hmmmmm.. Let me see the last time I checked you can not pull at a Nationals unless you belong correct??? Or did that rule change just for me... And before you call me a liar why don't you check the armbender because my wife took 4th that year in Arlington.. Soooo are you really sure you want to say that I've never belonged to the AAA? Now who's starting to look like they don't have their facts straight???
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Post by James on Sept 16, 2004 11:17:56 GMT -5
You're welcome Vic. I am sure they have some fantastic answer for that too. Perhaps it Arlene's fault somehow. Maybe she registered under an alias. The AAA is used to that.
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Post by Frank Bean on Sept 16, 2004 11:29:57 GMT -5
Mr. Sargent,
You have NEVER been a member of the American Armsport Association. You did NOT send in membership dues or anything else when you stated you did in 2002.
My statement is factual. It doesn't matter how you try to explain anything at this point nor does it matter what you are trying to say the Virelli's may have told you. What does matter is this
#1 - You stated we would receive your membership information within a week back in June 2002 and you never sent it. #2 - You stated you were sending your bio via email, which you never did. Now you want to state you mailed it, your photograph, AND your membership dues at the same time. #3 - You have NEVER been a member of the AAA (American Armsport Association) therefore you did not send in your dues. #4 - You never questioned why you did not receive any Armbenders for a solid year or your membership card.
End of your "story" Mr. Sargent. You stretched it out there, never figuring we had any information to dispute you. Your biggest flaw is your membership dues. If we had received your dues, we would have cashed your check, which you would have PROOF of and you would have questioned where your magazines were.
You know you can blame the United States Postal Service for a lot but sooner or later your information that was supposedly mailed would have produced itself either in our mailbox or yours.
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Post by Vic Sargent on Sept 16, 2004 11:32:18 GMT -5
Oh yeah and by the way I was getting the Armbender Magazine I have a whole pile of them sooooo I wonder how I got them hmmmm? ? Oh yeah I must of mailed in my subscription huh??? Come on enough is enough we both may be guilty of dropping the ball to some degree.. I will admit that my temper at the time got the best of me and caused me to throw my arms up in disgust, only for the fact that I HONESTLY felt it was going to be an honor to represent the AAA in CT. and felt as though I was getting the run around... Could I've had been more forth coming with my feelings to you YUP!! I'll admit that !! But I'm not one to vent easily you can ask those that know me.. When I get upset or pissed I usually withdraw to myself and just let things go... I just felt like I was fighting a loosing battle at that time...
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