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Post by enginterzi on Dec 17, 2004 6:19:43 GMT -5
Chris,
my friend,tell me one reason that they needed to support me because of a reason that you wrote??why can you not think that they did share their thoughts because of their friendship with me?a true friendship doesnt stand on benefits.they have nothing to benefit from me by supporting me except keeping in touch with me,their friend.its same when you write positive things about myself i didnt think of nothing but your friendship.and i still believe the same way about you and my other friends.forgive me but your comment about the relationship between i and my friends are kind of damaging these relationships.i respect you as a grown man who has a family,and im ready to support you anytime you need(if you would need),but i wouldnt want you to think that im kissing your ass.im sure that my friends dont need me more than i need them,and by writing this im not kissing no body's ass.
please let us be unified in hearts.i love you all including Ryan,my anger i gone.im so happy to see that you and Travis had a friendly and respectful time together.i can imagine how good you feel when ppl shows you respect front of your kids.im so happy for this to happen.
we live under certain earthly laws,but there is nothing written on any law that we must respect a man when he is around his family.so this comes from the heart that makes us real human beings.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Dec 17, 2004 7:09:45 GMT -5
Very good points Engin and I believe that you sincerely feel that way. I did not get involved because of my respect for both of you as human beings and friends. You are a passionate man and we do need your posts here. I would also say that it would not matter if I agree with them or not I will continue to read.
Have a great day!
Your friend.
Chris
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 17, 2004 8:30:23 GMT -5
i guess there are some other reasons that they felt that they needed to get involved.most of the ones that got involved were American and also Christians.they probably felt that the way that Ryan behaved wasnt the way that their faith should be represanted.another reason that they got involved was to show American hospitality to a man who is from a different country.and another reason that some of them got involved was that they believe my english and behaving needed to be explained from people who knew me good to the people who didnt know me good.i can think of more reasons like some of them thought and believed that my presence at board could help the beginners,like they liked me as a person and didnt want me to think that they all agreed with Ryan.
i must say that i regret for all that happenned.it just ended with a result that i and Ryan had to learn a lesson.if we need to blame someone about all these,then i and Ryan deserved to be blamed for damaging the peace of the board.we should have been good examples instead of causing problems.i didnt mean to come to that point neither Ryan.so lets forget about it.i already let the board know how sorry im,Ryan did the same.so we better enjoy the positive result of a negative incident.
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Post by Olin Lucas on Dec 17, 2004 9:09:59 GMT -5
Engin I must say one thing. You seem to have changed your attitude to us American armwrestlers here in the last year or so. I have always found you to be difficult to get along with. Maybe it was just me. I'm am a very high strung person, and when I was around you I used to feel some sort of tension. Now it seems as though that tension is gone which I am glad to see. I do not think you are an a-hole like I used to. ;D
Take care,
Olin
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 17, 2004 9:16:38 GMT -5
I totally agree with you Engin, but i want to say one thing some of those who were against me in the name of my faith, dont have a clue what my faith is about. Many Christians espescially in America and i say this in all seriousness havent got a glimps of what Christiany is about. Ill probably get alot of trash for this one but thats ok to.  God Bless Ryan |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Dec 17, 2004 10:38:24 GMT -5
MIND MY OWN BUSINESS?  ?? SHOW ME WHERE I WAS STARTING SOMETHING? YOU WEREN'T STARTING ANYTHING WITH YOUR" ON LOOKERS " POST? YOU WERE POINTING TO PEOPLE LIKE ME, MYERS ,AND SIMON, WHO YOU HAD PROBLEMS WITH ON THIS BOARD FOR WHATEVER REASON. CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO THE FOURTH NOSE IS....:-)... NOW IN YOUR TRUE FASHION, YOU WILL DENY IT, AND SAY I NEVER MENTIONED ANYONES NAME, AND THAT I AM STARTING CRAP BETWEEN YOU AND MYERS AND SIMON.....BUT WHEN I GO BACK OVER ALL, YES ALL THE OFF TOPIC FORUM POSTS ,THE ONLY OTHER PEOPLE THAT POSTED ON RYAN AND ENGINS RELIGIOUS POSTS THAT YOU HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST WITH ARE THEM AND ME...SO YOU MUST BE TALKING ABOUT US. I DIDN'T SEE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHO WAS UP RYANS BUTT OR STICKING UP FOR HIM. SO I GUESS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ENGINS BELIEFS? GO AHEAD DENY IT. I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH YOU EVER!!!! EXCEPT WHEN YOU "IMPLIED " A THREAT....THINGS WERE OVER.....BUT I GUESS YOU, YES, YOU CAN'T STAY AWAY FROM B#LL S##T!!!!!!!! SO NOW I WILL BORE EVEYONE WITH HOW MANY POSTS I MADE AND UNDER WHAT HEADINGS IN THE OFF-FORUM TOPIC: SORRY EVERYONE: topic: Promise to God: started b Engin on Dec 6th 8 pages 107 post none by me topic: Alexander the Great: started by Ryan on Nov 27th. 4 pages , several posts by me. topic: Christianity + Islam: started by Ryan on Nov21st. 28 posts, none by me topic: Where did God come from: started by Ryan on Nov 24th:BTW this post started ALL THIS CRAP: 6 pages. 6 posts out of 79..Most was goofing around and NOT getting the debate,AND didn't stick up for ANYONE topic: Evolution +Creation: started by Ryan on Dec13th. 6 pages, 3 posts out of 82. all regarding EVOULTION. MOSTLY about DINOSAURS and how Ryan posted a website to go to and it happened to be some fanatic who believes that " CHAMPY " ( a prehistoric monster ) or whatever its name is, that lives in Lake Champlain. topic: Muhhamed a phophet or a god or cult leader: started by Ryan on dec 14th. 10 posts, 2 by me..Basically saying that he was quoting from a pamphlet ( by his own admission ) and that it was probably by the dinosaur fanatic. And to quote from reliable sources. NOTHING ON RELIGION There are 8 other religious topicS that I DID NOT reply SO AGAIN, I ASK YOU, WHERE AM I getting my 2 cents in? SO WHEN DO I ALWAYS CHIME IN? DIDN'T YOU JUST " CHIME ' IN ON THAT OTHER BOARD BETWEEN BILL MAENZA AND RYAN? WASN'T IT ALL OVER ? DIDN'T YOU "CHIME " IN? NOW LOOK AT THE CRAP YOU STARTED ON THAT BOARD.. CAN'T STAY AWAY FROM IT, CAN YOU? AND I 'M ONE OF "THOSE " THAT "CHIME ' IN!!!!! YOU, YES, YOU MEANT IT FOR ME AND MYERS AND SIMON. THATS WHY I "CHIMED ' IN! AND ONE MORE THING: AS YOU CAN SEE, I NEVER "CHIMED ' IN ON THE RELIGIOUS MATTERS, NEVER! I NEVER GAVE MY BELIEFS ONCE ON RELIGION. YOU ALL WILL GO NUTS IF I DID...:-).. I RESPECT RYAN, ENGIN, ANDY S, HAROLD RAYDEN, MIKE WEST AND ANYONE ELSE WHO POSTED THEIR BELIEFS ON RELIGION. BTW: I WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT VOTED TO KEEP THE OFF TOPIC. |
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Post by simon on Dec 17, 2004 10:57:47 GMT -5
Olin Lucas quoting a page right out of “how to win friends and influence people” ………. Olin it just read a bit funny to me, I could not resist a comment, I have to appreciate your honesty though.
Not that we could all ever do this but I wonder how would all be if we were just some place where we could not or did not partake of anything armwrestling, maybe a fishing trip or a house boat trip water skiing, boating and partying, thus relieving us all of that edge that comes with our competitiveness, you have to admit for the most part, after parties are still about armwrestling.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Dec 17, 2004 11:42:11 GMT -5
Christian, The post to Bill M was an attempt to start a healthy debate on that board and it was a success with no one getting ugly. I have no problem with Simon...we have solved any and all problems between us and I think he is a great guy. I feel the same about Chris M and you. You may be right, the post I up to Engin was a dig at the posters that I thought were kissing butt...one of the main ones it was aimed at was not anyone you mentioned. I thought the way Denise dug into Ryan while Kissing up to Engin and mentioning Christianity (How we should behave as Christians) and of course as always the AAA board was particularly offensive and it was the main thing that prompted my post. Denise has a right to side with a person against her religion or her country if she feels like it I have a right to disagree with her and post my opinion also. I did not mention names but Ron Bath came on and posted after me that there were probably more than four. I am curious as to why you never addressed him? No matter what I think about people kissing up or not I still love you Christian. I feel as though I am first a Christian second an American and third a puller. The way people sided and the side they took when it wasn't even necessary to do so went against all three. Yet I still was very relaxed in my post. I am proud of that ;D. Praise Jesus and God Bless America Oh Yeah and Merry Christmas to everyone in my pulling family! Christian I consider you family! |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Dec 17, 2004 11:51:54 GMT -5
I didn't mention Ron because I was going over the Off Forum topics. BUT I would have if I went over this thread.  Remember I never sided with anyone.. I AM the TRUE CHRISTIAN! AND one more thing: I hate all! ;D |
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Post by Olin Lucas on Dec 17, 2004 12:12:34 GMT -5
Olin Lucas quoting a page right out of “how to win friends and influence people” ………. Olin it just read a bit funny to me, I could not resist a comment, I have to appreciate your honesty though. Not that we could all ever do this but I wonder how would all be if we were just some place where we could not or did not partake of anything armwrestling, maybe a fishing trip or a house boat trip water skiing, boating and partying, thus relieving us all of that edge that comes with our competitiveness, you have to admit for the most part, after parties are still about armwrestling. Simon I am confused as to what this is referring to. Sorry, but could you explain please. |
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Post by simon on Dec 17, 2004 12:32:42 GMT -5
Sorry, see this is what happens when I try to type short responses, I do a poor job of explaining myself.
Your comment to Engin, "I do not think you are an a-hole like I used to” Out of context it just sounded funny, ;D. I do understand the intent and your comment to Engin.
Again out of context that comment sounded funny. There was an old sales training book, called "how to win friends and influence people" so when someone makes a comment in jest or out of context that could be construed as mean or a slight, it is not uncommon to hear someone make reference to the old sales book that was filled with glad handed, smhoosing comments, in order to win people over . Sorry I guess it was a bit before your time I forget not everyone is an old man like me.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 17, 2004 12:47:56 GMT -5
Olin,
the good thing about me is that when i think that somebody is an a.. hole i let him either know or feel this.but unfotunately you never made me think,know or feel this way.if you just realised that im not an a..hole then why were you friendly to me all those times??
another thing about me that you should know is that im always tight and agressive at the table and next time you meet me on the table you will see the same attitude.so its your mistake to judge me by my wiev at tournament times.i clearly remember that after harley pull in 2001 we all had nice conversation together.and one last thing;if you ever think negative about me please let me know before you confess it so long later or at least let me feel it.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 17, 2004 15:02:45 GMT -5
Christian, Im not trying to start any trouble or anything but you did make several comments to me that were pretty offensive to me and my faith, and from my view you certainly looked like you werent being very nuetral. This is just my view, I apologize if i misunderstood your intentions. Though the ones you made about my dinosaurs were funny, and expected. I did not take offense and habor no ill feelings about any of it. God Bless (Whether you want him to or not) Ryan |
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Post by Olin Lucas on Dec 17, 2004 16:23:37 GMT -5
Olin, the good thing about me is that when i think that somebody is an a.. hole i let him either know or feel this.but unfotunately you never made me think,know or feel this way.if you just realised that im not an a..hole then why were you friendly to me all those times?? another thing about me that you should know is that im always tight and agressive at the table and next time you meet me on the table you will see the same attitude.so its your mistake to judge me by my wiev at tournament times.i clearly remember that after harley pull in 2001 we all had nice conversation together.and one last thing;if you ever think negative about me please let me know before you confess it so long later or at least let me feel it. Engin, I have just learned to keep my mouth shut and not say anything. Here in the U.S. if you tell someone that you do not like them or you have a problem with the way they act usually you are going to get in a fight (atleast I know I am). You proved me wrong; therefore, I am glad that I have never said anything to you, because there may have been harsh feelings between us which I have never intended on having. You have a competitive nature just like I do, and sometimes I just think it was hard to read you or the way you act. Until now I feel like I know you better and you are a true friend in armwrestling. I am sorry it took me this long to realize that. You are correct about our conversation at the Harley Pull. I think we sat up until nearly 3 or 4 am just talking and having a good time. I look forward to doing that again in the future. Tare care, Olin |
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Dec 17, 2004 17:07:58 GMT -5
Ryan, then show me where it was offensive, especially to your faith. Could it be phrasing god like this: "god" or saying a book write by man inspired by god. Did I stick up for the Muslim faith? Or for others besides " CHRISTIANS ", like Catholics, Born Agains, Jews, Hindus, Buddists,etc ? Did I mention once what MIGHT be my faith? Did I point out to you that believing in Creation was wrong? Or did I simply state that, HERE WE GO AGAIN, SORRY PEOPLE, sending us to a website by a fanatical person who believes in "champy " is rediculous! Which you believe to be right? DID I point out that you were getting information from a pamphlet, that MIGHT be propaganda against another religion, ESPECIALLY in our times? Now if there is something else that might " offended " you, well I can't help that. By your Nov 24th post of "Where did GOD come from ", YOU brought this ALL on yourself...YOU wanted a pulpit and you got one...YOU revell in this....and if you say you don't, then you are not honest with us or yourself. Now you got long time friends who have a bond through ARMWRESTLING pissed off at each other...ALL YOUR FAULT...AGAIN, if you say no, then your not being HONEST You wrote on that other messageboard that you have no friends....Can I guess why? People have TRIED to tell you, people with more life experiences then you, thats not a dig, your just young right now that YOU are going about things the wrong way. ANd they actully gave you good advice on how to approach this very TOUCHY topic, yet you refuse to do so..... So be it you get offended by what I may say or by others....THIS WAS WHAT YOU WANTED...NOW YOU GOT IT!...So being that you are a " grown " man again not a dig, take it like the man you are supposed to be. Now you MIGHT take these "DIGS "as offensive, But when you get older, and have more life experiences, you will see what I have meant... That " kids " your age , are just kids. You will grow out of it. ONE MORE THING TO YOU, MR ALWAYS APOLOGIZING THEN STARTING S##T UP AGAIN: I FOUND YOU BIBLICAL QUOTING VERY INTERESTING AND GOOD READING, SAME AS ENGINS IN THE QUR'ANS QUOTES... BUT AS ALWAYS, BY RAMMING IT DOWN THROATS, YOU UNFORTANTELY TURNED ME OFF.ONE LESS CONVERT...SO YOUR NOT A VERY GOOD PREACHER! AND PLEASE DON'T "PRAY" FOR ME ...I'D RATHER GO TO HELL...OH YEAH WE'RE ALREADY THERE.... NOW EVERYBODY JOIN IN!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D |
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