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Post by enginterzi on Nov 30, 2004 13:45:20 GMT -5
i just watched your match against Eric Woelfel,and i realised that you are right about i cant toproll your wrist.but now i have more desire.and dont forget when i was 140pound i got Eric's hand in overalls in tahoe 97!! so just be careful:)
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 1, 2004 14:00:37 GMT -5
I am a Catholic (though I have lost most of my faith) and I'm not going to avoid a movie over some tongue action by a couple of actors (i'll probably look away in those scenes). And if this is a move to get more gay rights than so be it. Let's stop judging people for who they are, that's what the faith tells us to do Ryan.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 1, 2004 14:09:00 GMT -5
You cant just turn your head its what the whole movie was about.
The movie is a horrible movie regardless of political or religoius stand point.
You guys have the right to watch what you want. I was just warning people that arent aware of it the previews certanly dont warn you.
We shouldnt judge someone according to their sin your right that is gods job. I have myself been forgiven greatly. but im not going to make a movie about my sin to make you think it is ok what ive done. We are however supposed to identify what sin is and stay away from it and warn and protect our brothers from it.
To be indifferent from evil is to be evil.
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Post by Andy Souliere on Dec 1, 2004 15:02:48 GMT -5
I was going to stay out of this, but as a devoted christian, I feel that I must say something. First, yes the bible tells us that it is a sin to be a homosexual. I truly believe in the bible and all the laws, old and new.
I go to movies. I love the Conan movies. But in this movie, they worshiped other gods. They showed brutal murder scenes and adultery everywhere. I still watch them.
Rambo, Oceans eleven just about every Arnold movie that he has made. I love action movies, but they break just about every commandment in each movie.
I live a very quiet, clean life. I don't drink nor do I smoke, I have a beautiful wife and we are active in our church.
I guess what I am trying to say is that, Just because I believe in certain things, I will not "JUDGE" someone for their beliefs. I try to lead my life by example. I really don't think that people should push their beliefs without having people "tune them out."
I watch those movies, but I don't feel that they are going to scar me for life and have me making an appointment with a shrink, nor will they make me slip in my walk with god. Life is tough enough, sit back, ease up and learn to laugh. Share you beliefs, don't push them. If someone decides to live a certain way, so be it. God will judge us accordingly. A movie is just that, a movie. Entertainment is only what you make out of it. I also feel that if someone is so rigid about what they watch, they should do some research about the movie prior to paying the money to rent a seat. This way here you don't have to worry about what they are trying to entertain you with. Just thought I would add my opinions, I'm not trying to start a verbal feud with anyone. Take care.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 1, 2004 15:23:40 GMT -5
Why does everyone say i am "pushing" my views or religion on people.
I present what the bible says and sometimes my opinoin. If you dont agree that is fine. if you wanna watch the movie that is fine. If you dont see anything wrong with the movie ,ok. Im sure as a christian if you do watch it youll see what i am saying. all i was doing was telling you what was in the movie becuase the preveiws paint a poor picture, and are extremly misleading.
Im glad that you go to church and are active that is great.
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 1, 2004 16:40:05 GMT -5
I do have to sympathize with you Ryan. Sometimes people that take a religious point of view do get criticized for 'pushing' views on others. It's just that some of your views come off alittle strong.
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Post by Andy Souliere on Dec 1, 2004 17:02:08 GMT -5
Ryan, I am glad to know that you feel so strongly in your beliefs. I to am more than happy to share my beliefs. What I was trying to say was that it is ok to share and definetly stand proud to be a christian, but what happens when someone comes on with words that remind people of someone pounding the pulpit, their ears seem to turn off. Think about your approach, that is all. I realize that you are just trying to make people aware of what was in the movie and I thank you for that. I will not be seeing the movie, only because I read up on the promotions and checked it out on line and decided that I can wait for it to come out on tape. With some of your posts, you just seem like you are trying to "preach" to the board. That is why I say "know your audience." The men and women on this board are extremely competitive people. All seem to be driven to be the best at what they do. They are definetly unique people to say the least, and I am glad that I get to learn what I can from them. So when you come on strong with your beliefs on a board geared for armsports, you just have to make the approach different. Stay strong in your beliefs, talk "to" people and they will listen. Talk "at" people and they will go on the defensive. Take care.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 1, 2004 17:28:56 GMT -5
Andy,
I thank you for your advice and your concern. Needless to say people tell me that all the time. Tony said i come off a little strong and to that i say if your going to believe in something how else are you going to believe it than strong. otherwise whats the point? John the Baptist came off pretty strong. The devil most active weapon is an inactive christian.
Its not my intentions to rub people the wrong way. This is an off topic forum as a friend pointed out that we can post anything we chose on here that doesnt have to do with armwrestling.
It is my intentions to encourage my brothers in christ, others may get offended. If a man is searching for truth in god then they wont be offended. They will be "open-minded".
If i do say something that is out of line i apologize and i am open for correction. Give me a biblical reason why i am wrong and i will repent of it.
i'll say this again. Just to let you know why i am the way i am. I dont buy the whole theology that it is better to lead by example and not by speaking or preaching. (i think this is a polit way for the devil to shut us up)(The word preach means to proclaim the Gospel. ) Im not a good enough example for anyone to live their lives after. We are commanded not suggested to go forth and PREACH the gospel not be silent and hope people follow you. We preach to those who will listen, most will not, and they may hate me for it. We have to point them to Christ not our goodness. No one is good but god.
Again i thank you for your advice and i do consider my approach i often wonder if maybe i am coming off too strong and maybe sometimes i do. I am always open to advice and correction. Preferably by someone who has a brain, so i welcome you.
Ryan
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 1, 2004 17:50:43 GMT -5
the people that need the message the most is my generation, yet they hear it the least. Why? Because (no affense, and I DO mean this) they consider people like you Ryan to be religious happy weirdos. You want recomendations on how to be able to preach like you want to to someone of my generation. 1 there are ways to teach the bible without directly quoting it. 2 Make the massage about something being 'evil' more gradual so a person can get use to an idea and not feel pushed into it. 3 Find a way to relate to someone before you introduce new ideas, people are less likely to accept info from someone they have nothing in common with. 4 and lastly don't be suprised if you learn something about the subject you are talking about from the person you are preaching to.
P.S. I hope you can find what you are looking for (this coming from someone who has lost most of his faith, and is on the journey to find it again), And thanx for listening and taking the time to read this.
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Post by gambit on Dec 1, 2004 18:09:43 GMT -5
To break this up a little bit I was wondering. Tony, if you think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are old school just how old are you? I consider old school cartoons to be Looney Toons, Scooby-Doo (forget Scrappy- - I hated that dang dog!), RoadRunner, Fog-Horn Leg horn ("I say - I say, SON !") etc. But, on the other hand, if we wanted to know about the really old school cartoons maybe we should ask Guy Lasorsa which SILENT cartoons he liked best.  Just kidding, Guy !!! ;D |
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 1, 2004 18:15:13 GMT -5
Just turned 18 and damn proud of it
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 1, 2004 23:03:53 GMT -5
Tony,
In response in order to your list of advice
1) i try to teach the best i can without having to say "thus sayeth the lord!" but if im going to teach what aristotle einstien or whoever wouldnt it be better to qoute them?
2) I am guilty of not being more gradual with that and i am sorry.
3) this is why i am on this board i love armwrestling but apperantly it just work with some people (but it isnt those people i am here for)
4) i try to have a very teachable spirit but if someone tries to teach me something against the bible i cant accept it.
I am in your generation i loved the original ninja turtles i remember waking up every saturday morning just to watch it. Sadly this generation has been politicaly and mentally raped by the supreme court and atheistsand communists.
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Post by Christopher Myers on Dec 2, 2004 4:22:02 GMT -5
preach
v 1: deliver a sermon; "The minister is not preaching this Sunday" [syn: prophesy] 2: speak, plead, or argue in favour of; "The doctor advocated a smoking ban in the entire house" [syn: advocate]
I know Ryan will think I am picking on him but this is the definition of the word preach . It is not a Christain word it is an English word and what you are doing is preaching definition # 2
I have other thoughts but I will send them to you privately as so you do not think I am your stumbling block
Christopher Myers
p.s.
Andy Souliere I happen to think you are kind and sympathetic for Ryan's love for God and his need to preach. But I, like you, I think method and timing is just as important as message. If you want it to be received that is. I share your point of view and thankyou for posting. Right in principle does not forgive being wrong in method
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 2, 2004 11:06:31 GMT -5
Ryan
THE TURTLES ARE GREAT, AREN"T THEY!!!
good to see someone else respecting the toons
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 2, 2004 12:00:25 GMT -5
The old turtles are great the ones now i wouldnt approve of for my kids to watch. but that is a whole other SERMON
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