contradictions and proofs

[enginterzi]

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"


The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.

[enginterzi]

They openly admit that the Bible is corrupt, and the original manuscripts had been lost.

Just who were the real authors of the Bible?

The sections of this article are:

1- Just who were the real authors of the Bible?
2- So who wrote the Bible then? Were they really the original Prophets and Disciples?
3- The New Testament was written in the 3rd century by Constantine and his church by their own words.
4- The Roman Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the Bible had been "altered".
6- Contradictions in historical claims and accounts.
7- Conclusion.

- Is all of the Bible GOD's Divine Revelations?
2- Did the Prophets of GOD really write the Bible of today?
3- Is the Bible perfect?
4- Did man indeed corrupt the Bible?
5- Is the Bible of today reliable?

If your answer is no to most of or all of the above questions except for #4, then allow me to say that your faith has serious problems!

You be the Judge: After all of the evidence provided in the article, should I as a non-Christian take the Bible as the word of GOD Almighty?

[enginterzi]

The Gospel of Mark:

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488)"

So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?

I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!

Further regarding this Gospel, we read the following commentary about Mark 16:9-20:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

This quote raises a very serious issue here. First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel". Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it. The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.

Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites. But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains.

We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful. The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc... It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man. Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.

If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation. And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".

To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't! Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy.

[enginterzi]

The Book of Acts:

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?

After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?

Beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering it as the True Living Word of GOD.

[Ryan Thames]

I dont give my life to the authors of the bible.

I give my life to Jesus Christ.

The sacrifice and the Son of God that was prophecied from genesis to revelation.


When it was written that
we should take up serpents and they shall not bit us.
We must also realize that the bible say that we should not tempt the lord our God.

Christian Cults use that and put their faith in that they take up serpants. and they do this to gain something spiritually. And they are wrong their faith must be in Jesus Christ and him Crucified.

God will protect us from snake poisoin just like he protects us in our cars everyday. If you speed you may get a ticket, If you tempt God you may get bit. If you obey the laws and dont test them youll be fine.

The NIV:
I dont agree with this bible it words some things wrong some important things. and sometimes it leaves things out.

[Andy Souliere]

Sorry to jump in on this, but I also live my life for the lord. With the bible and how it is involved in my life is easy. I start with the 10 commandments. I try as humanly possible to live by these laws. They are my arteries, and the rest of the bible are my veins for my life with the lord. This may not mean much to some, but it is the best way to explain how I feel about the bible and everything from "In the beginning" to "the end." Faith and love.

[Christopher Myers]

Andy,
I think Engin is trying to say that the bible has some sections that are suspicious of contamination. That does not mean that all the messages that it brings are false!! the ten commandments are true and great !!
it just means that you cant take every little scripture and use as law to inflict your will or beleifs. The whole message is what you need to pay attention to and it seems that you are doing that just fine. I beleive that the Lord enlightens us to what is real and draws us to follow that. Engin is on fire right now becuse he has been disrespected BY Ryan I dont beleive he has the intention of insulting anyone other than him
Christopher Myers

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

Chris: Engin is NOT insulting anyone, he is SHOWING contradictions and proofs.

[Andy Souliere]

Thank You Chris. I understand what he is trying to share. I just feel that sometimes people try to look so hard at possible discrepancies/mistakes, however you want to phrase it, that they overlook the big picture. If we spend our entire lives trying to dispute the writings, then I feel we miss the intent. But, I also believe that everbody has the right to speak their minds. Take care.

[enginterzi]

Andy,i really apoligise.

i personally never called Christians,neither their GOD neither Jesus Christ as demonic,satanic or devil.it would be so humiliating.as all of you know that most of my posts were copied from net as info.if they contained any offensive words against your values then i really am sorry.i would never use them personally.most of my friends are Christians and as Leonard had mentioned that i wouldnt feel offended till i received those very humiliating words.i ask forgiveness everyone on this board except Ryan Thames.once again i am deeply sorry.

[Mike West]

Engin, in response to your post below, my belief is not based on a conclusion, or even on who it was who put it on paper.......it's called "Faith" and by that faith that I am willing to die for my Lord Jesus Christ. If anyone on this board (or anywhere) says he or she believes in God, and that He created this universe and everything in it, why is it so difficult to believe that He can't secure is Word ?

What I'm also seeing on this board is that some people just consider the Bible a history book, to pick up and read when it's convenient........it's much more than that, when you read it, with a open heart & mind, and ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding, he will.......it's a spiritual matter not a mental one. That's why Ryan, myself and others feel so strongly about it........there is nothing that anyone on this earth could do or say to change my feeling toward my Lord........I have personally seen and experienced His hand move upon my life and others, that's why it's hard to just sit and not tell everyone about Him, it's the love He puts in our hearts for others that drives us

As Ryan has said before many times, we don't want or mean to offend you, we know you are very strong in your belief and I and everyone else respect you very much for that, I wish more christians were as steadfast in their belief as you are, and bold enough to talk about it.
We feel we have good news for everyone to hear (the gospel of Jesus Christ) and want everyone to hear it, it's then their choice to except or reject it, thats the free will God gave each of us
Well, here I go preaching now ;D I'm done for now

Much love & respect,
Mike West

The Book of Acts:

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?

[enginterzi]

Mike,

i dont need any one to show me love.its not hard to be offensive and you are not the only that can do.i can be easily offensive only by writing the same words that i have received.but it doesnt make me happy.just forget about it while its getting cooled down.

[Ryan Thames]

As you stated you just apologized for copying info from the internet and if it were offensive that you apologized.

So did i but you didnt accept my apology.

I ask for you frogiveness of me though you have offended my believes by say Jesus is not the Son of God. But i forgive you of that.

This is the second post i have read were you dont want my forgiveness. But in love i offer it anyway.

[Andy Souliere]

Engin appology accepted, though not needed. I did not take offense to your comments. You are possionate in your beliefs as I am in mine. Your posts are interesting, so take care.

[Mike West]

Engin, I'm sorry, but I'm still not getting it, where in my post did I attack or be offensive to you? You post your belief and thats fine, I post mine and you think I'm attacking you.....and whether you want it or not, I still love & respect you