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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 7, 2005 14:57:33 GMT -5
I grew up in a baptist setting. My dad made it a priority to go to church. I dont really remember that too much but i do remember that baptist foundation in my life gave me a strong foundation to know the lord. The baptist church preaches salvation through the cross and generally stays with that untill recently. After my father died when I was 7 we stopped going to church my Mother just wasnt consistant. Eventually I had a growing hunger to know God more and constantly pushed my mother for us to go to church, so we started going to church with my aunt at a pentacostal-full gospel church. This was the first time i had ever seen anyone pray in tongues. The spirit came over me strong at that church. This were i was baptized(dunked in water to represent the death burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ giving a public confession that i believe and submit my life to him.) For some reason or another my mom stopped taking us there. So when i got my license i started going to a non-denominational church. Later he lead me to another church in Baton Rouge. I probably went there for the wrong reasons. I initially went to meet a girl . but the lord kept me there even went that didnt go to well. I was involved in this baptist-pentacostal church for two years untill the lord showed me they were abusing people spiritualy and still are to this day ruining lives (christian-cult, G12 bethany.com/). But God is still using that ministry to bring people to him. There trying to bring people to the church to make it grow but he wants them not to come to the church but to come to him. Their music ministry is powerful- the purity in the songs pointing to Jesus, not the "G12".http://www.worshipandfire.com/v2.5/v2.html . I used to work at thier TV Station in Baton Rouge. So i got to watch alot of Ministers they were affiliated with and i got to see what the common preacher is preaching on television and the majority of it is unscriptural. There is good stuff on tv though you just have be open to God showing you the truth and error in all of it. The lord has lead me to a fairly small church in walker, louisiana. Christian Freedom Center, I hope to have a tournament here one day this year. I believe this is the church where i will spend the rest of my life. It is a free church, if you wanna classify it under a denomination you can call it pentacostal. Pentacostal simply means a christian who believes in the baptism of the spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in toungues. As recorded in Acts 2 on the day of pentacost. Not the religous bound long dress long hair kinda pentacostal. I am a student at World Evangelism Bible College & Seminary. Here is the link to that website BUT before you click on it becareful you dont make the pre-conceived judgemtns you accuse me of. www.jsm.org Here is there live radio station you can even listen to it through the internet if you dont get a radio station in your area or on tv. www.jsm.org/html/radio.htm if anyone be interested.
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Post by Frank Bean on Feb 7, 2005 15:11:51 GMT -5
This is your definition of a Christian? Wow!!
I see you've also given me a definition of "born again". Is this your own definition or is this what you have read or been taught?
I'm going to try to keep this simple. I've copied your definition and it's in quotes with my question under it.
1. "A christian is one who gives everything of himself to follow Jesus Christ."
What is "everything" that is given? And what do you mean by "follow"
2. "A christian is a sinner saved by grace ALONE."
What do you mean when you use the term "grace"
3. " A christian is one whos faith is in the cross of Christ."
What do you mean by the "cross of Christ"
4. "A christian is not just one who believes in christ, but one who totaly and completly desires a personal relationship with the father."
What do you mean by "personal relationship"
5. "A christian does good and obstains from evil becuase of there love for the lord. Not becuase it will earn them anything. Motives are very imprtant."
What do you mean by "does good" and "abstains from evil"
6. "A Christian is not perfect just forgiven. (bumper sticker)" This is something you read since you say it's a bumper sticker.
"Other words for "christian" -saint-believer-brethren-elect-the faithful-disciples....no church can "deem" someone a saint, every beliver in Christ is a saint."
I want to save this for later discussion.
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Post by Frank Bean on Feb 7, 2005 15:15:27 GMT -5
Ryan,
You stated "Here is the link to that website BUT before you click on it becareful you dont make the pre-conceived judgemtns you accuse me of."
What in the world are you talking about? I have accused you of nothing.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 7, 2005 15:21:07 GMT -5
I dont understand your intent for the questions your asking. But i can answer them more indepth i was simply trying to keep it short and simple.
Is this a challenge or are these questions?
Frank when i said "you" it was a general or plural meaning. Not you specifically. I apologize.
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Post by Frank Bean on Feb 7, 2005 15:32:29 GMT -5
Ryan,
My intent is simple. I want to know YOUR definitions and YOUR meanings. NOT what you have read, not you quoting scriptures, your own words!
You dont' have to be in depth, just give me your answers in YOUR OWN words. The reason I asked for short answers was because you become way too lengthy in your responses, you use way too many scriptures to back up what you are saying, and you're using quotes instead of answering for yourself.
This is not a challenge. I'm simply asking you specific questions and I want to know YOUR own version as an answer.
Then we can talk about all of it. I am not going to get into a scripture vs scripture war with you nor am I going to get into a denomination vs denomination war with you.
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Post by Steven Lareau on Feb 7, 2005 15:38:47 GMT -5
Mardi Gras........
;D
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 7, 2005 16:02:31 GMT -5
Born again (Theol.), regenerated; renewed; having received spiritual life. ``Except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of God.'' --John iii. 3.
1 Peter 1:23. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
2 Corinthians 5: 17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Grace
Roman 11:6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
The Cross of Christ
Romans 6
1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2. God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4. Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7. For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9. Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17. But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Personal relationship
The same intimate relationship between a Husband and Wife, Father and son, mother and daughter, friend and friend. Intimacy. Deep, close, NO seperation. Creator and creation. Savior and saved. Lord and servant.
Ephesians 5:25 25. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
good works
James 2: 17. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
abstain from evil
Acts 15:20. But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
1 Thessalonians 1. Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 2. For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3. For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4. That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5. Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1 Thess 7. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1 Thess 5: 22. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1 Timothy 4 1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3. Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1 Corinthians 6:8. Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
in short if you claim to be a christian and do not stive to live a holy life before God and before man. Your faith is without works and is dead. Your lying to yourself. Granted you cant accomplish holiness in and of yourself but you must press on. and you must keep your faith in christ and him crucified ALONE.
Everything When i say everything i mean all that is evil within you. And to yeild your life to him that his will be done and not our own.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 7, 2005 16:05:55 GMT -5
Well this is where i obtain my defenitions. I dont mean to be too lenghty. Some things are hard to explain in a few sentences. I dont want to battle. You got questions about me ill do what i can to answer them. But expect me to try my best to be clear on what i mean. I know sometimes even that isnt too clear. But i try and ya gotta bear with me.
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Post by Frank Bean on Feb 7, 2005 16:35:21 GMT -5
Ryan,
I am trying my best to "bear with you" but please look at my original request.
"My intent is simple. I want to know YOUR definitions and YOUR meanings. NOT what you have read, not you quoting scriptures, your own words! "
You have not given me a single definition in YOUR OWN words. All you are doing is quoting scriptures.
I grew up reading the Bible. I know what the scriptures say. I don't know what you say.
There is no battle here nor should there be. Either you can answer in your own words or not. It's your choice. See, I know you are fully capable of having a thought process and speaking, you do it on a daily basis just like I do. So please, give me an answer with NOT one single scripture in it.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 7, 2005 16:56:15 GMT -5
Frank, Sorry I posted that long one before i read your post ;D I tried to give you where i get my defenitions, let me go over it again a lil shorter The Cross of Christ Romans 6 I really cant say it better than this sorry. my words on Personal relationship The same intimate relationship between a Husband and Wife, Father and son, mother and daughter, friend and friend. Intimacy. Deep, close, NO seperation. Creator and creation. Savior and saved. Lord and servant. Good works and abstain from evil my words in short if you claim to be a christian and do not stive to live a holy life before God and before man. Your faith is without works and is dead. Your lying to yourself. Granted you cant accomplish holiness in and of yourself but you must press on. and you must keep your faith in christ and him crucified ALONE. Everything When i say everything i mean all that is evil within you. And to yeild your life to him that his will be done and not our own. This all that i said before i just qouted the scripture to back up what i mean and where i got it from
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Feb 7, 2005 17:00:24 GMT -5
watch out, there are some pretty unholy things that go on at marti gras Like girls flashing the audiences. Well I guess every party needs it's party animal
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Post by Steven Lareau on Feb 7, 2005 17:03:28 GMT -5
.....careful Tony don't tell our buddy Greg about that....
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Feb 7, 2005 17:08:49 GMT -5
I know, he'll hit on them, then leave them in over confidence and end up losing them to a drunk ;DHMMM sounds familiar
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Feb 7, 2005 18:54:48 GMT -5
Frank : GOOD LUCK! ....LOL
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Post by Frank Bean on Feb 11, 2005 8:55:42 GMT -5
Ryan you said "my words on Personal relationship
The same intimate relationship between a Husband and Wife, Father and son, mother and daughter, friend and friend. Intimacy. Deep, close, NO seperation. Creator and creation. Savior and saved. Lord and servant.
Good works and abstain from evil my words in short if you claim to be a christian and do not stive to live a holy life before God and before man. Your faith is without works and is dead. Your lying to yourself. Granted you cant accomplish holiness in and of yourself but you must press on. and you must keep your faith in christ and him crucified ALONE.
Everything When i say everything i mean all that is evil within you. And to yeild your life to him that his will be done and not our own."
So basically you're telling me that if someone maintains a close relationship with God, does good deeds, lives a "holy life" in front of everyone, believes in Christ, and believes Christ was the only one that was crucified then they are a Christian.
Now that's a summary of your post so is that correct?
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