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Post by Neil Pickup on Mar 18, 2011 11:36:38 GMT -5
First......Tim was the man on that day and deserves great respect. IMHO, even completely fresh vs fresh. Tim would of beat John. Fabio, Johns shape is about the same as it has been for the last few years. Here is the thing, everyone has injuries. John has had injuries for a long time, just like everyone else. The reality is that for a long time no one could put John to 100% pressure and he never seemed to be injured. Even though he was. As the rest of the world is getting stronger and John is getting older, these injuries start to show themselves. There are now a hand full of guys that can put John to 100% and in different styles. Therefore the injuries show themselves more often and start to compound themselves. I don't know if we will ever see John at a 100% again. but IMO A fully rested, healed and trained John could still beat anyone in the world. ;D  ;D TOO BIG, TOO SMART, IN SHORT....TOO SIMILAR & WITH TOO MANY WEAPONS A different style to John's is FAR more dangerous for the Man with "NO LIMITS". An athlete who pulls with Lilaev's attacking style just with a BIGGER STRONGER Frame would be very Dangerous for Devon. |
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Mar 18, 2011 11:51:56 GMT -5
First......Tim was the man on that day and deserves great respect. IMHO, even completely fresh vs fresh. Tim would of beat John. Fabio, Johns shape is about the same as it has been for the last few years. Here is the thing, everyone has injuries. John has had injuries for a long time, just like everyone else. The reality is that for a long time no one could put John to 100% pressure and he never seemed to be injured. Even though he was. As the rest of the world is getting stronger and John is getting older, these injuries start to show themselves. There are now a hand full of guys that can put John to 100% and in different styles. Therefore the injuries show themselves more often and start to compound themselves. I don't know if we will ever see John at a 100% again. but IMO A fully rested, healed and trained John could still beat anyone in the world. ;D ;D Hi Neil, as Metallica would say : "SAD BUT TRUE"....probably.... Sad for me because I have always been a huge fan of John and sad generally speaking because of the age factor that divide these two Men. (mainly for the fact that John suffers from the aches and pains of 30 years of career) BUT, Devon totally deserves what he has achieved in the last years, Devon is a Beast, an armwrestling destruction machine, he is technical, versatile, smart, full rounded, he surely completely deserves his spot right now. Anyway I think that a Match between John in the shape of Vegas 2006 and Devon with his current shape, would IMO be one of the greatest and most beatiful matches to watch of all times, without predict the winner. |
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Mar 18, 2011 11:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by John Parton on Mar 18, 2011 12:39:07 GMT -5
Keep in mind Neil that Bob said a fully rested healed and trained John  . I don't think I have seen a fully healed John for close to 10 years and Devon has never pulled him in that condition. Watching the tape of him with Tim, I can see that his elbow is hurting and where he was holding his shoulder he looked to be compensating for his pain by using muscles that would be out of play while pulling normally. Taking nothing away from Devon of course as he is everything you say and has he gets more experience will IMO be even more |
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Post by Neil Pickup on Mar 18, 2011 13:33:21 GMT -5
Hi John, I hope that you and your Family are well mate. Firstly let me just clarify that NONE of my opinions have been in any way formulated from the Tim's win against John last week or any of John's recent results for that matter. I have been in regular contact with John over the last few years and am very well aware of where he is at right now both Mentally and Physically and to judge the man on that would be simply RIDICULOUS in my opinion. John has nothing to prove to me or anyone else who knows this sport. I gave a great deal of consideration to Bob's comments however and to exactly which version of John he is referring and to clarify matters, I am also actually referring to A FULLY RESTED, HEALED & TRAINED JOHN when I make the statements I have. I agree 100% with Fabio, that a 6 Round Match between the 2006 Ultimate Vegas version of John Brzenk (which IMO was as strong as John or anybody else in the sport really gets) verses the current FULLY RESTED, HEALED & TRAINED Devon Larratt would be an extremley interesting encounter AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY COME DOWN TO JUST STRENGTH & CONDITION BUT MORE TO DO WITH THE WEAPONS WHICH GOD GAVE EACH MAN TO WALK INTO BATTLE I am a MASSIVE JOHN BRZENK FAN (lets face it it would be very hard for anyone who knows and loves this or any other one on one sport not to be) and I've considered John to be one of my closest personal friends within the sport for many years now, he is a Warrior and a Gentleman and is WITHOUT QUESTION the Greatest Armwrestler of all time. I do however honestly believe that Devon Larratt IS THAT GOOD Mr. Parton, REALLY no Nut Swingin intended here and no favoritism either, I have equal respect for both lads, and as I said both have been good mates of mine for many years now, its not about any of that Bollocks.......JUST SIMPLY THATS MY HONEST OPINION mate. Devon Larratt is FOR REAL, he is the Evolution of Armwrestling. Simon wrote earlier that Devon got the recognition as the Worlds No. 1 Right hander basically for getting an impressive win against John in 2008, well I can't comment for other people BUT NOT FROM ME HE DIDN'T. I take FAR more time and FAR GREATER consideration before I form my opinions on the true capabilities or otherwise of an athlete and in my opinion Devon is THE most technically well rounded and genetically gifted Super Heavyweight Armwrestler of his generation. I'm not really sure how long he will remain the best in the World BUT I do believe that he will be amongst the very best for MANY years to come if his commitment remains high and his injuries remain limited as VERY FEW Armwrestlers have his level of completeness, confidence and cerebral aptitude at the table. Place your bets, I know where my money will be going when considering the current crop of Super Heavyweights Cheers Neil |
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Post by John Parton on Mar 18, 2011 14:45:35 GMT -5
We have no disagreements about Devons abilities. The first time I saw him on video ( His performance wasn't that great) I told a friend that there is the next JB |
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 18, 2011 17:50:45 GMT -5
i did not and i still do not enjoy to watch anyone any where near as i enjoy watching John.. not even close.. then Zvetan at his prime time..
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Post by Neil Pickup on Mar 18, 2011 18:00:44 GMT -5
True Masters at work Engin, FANTASTIC to watch.......as to be fair was a Prime Andrew "COBRA" Rhodes |
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 18, 2011 19:36:42 GMT -5
agreed! more of artists than strength athletes alone! also the way that they armwrestle look as natural as walking on the street or breathing for these athletes.same as watching Jordan playing basketball,Messi playing soccer and Bolt running..
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;D 
. I don't think I have seen a fully healed John for close to 10 years and Devon has never pulled him in that condition. Watching the tape of him with Tim, I can see that his elbow is hurting and where he was holding his shoulder he looked to be compensating for his pain by using muscles that would be out of play while pulling normally. Taking nothing away from Devon of course as he is everything you say and has he gets more experience will IMO be even more 