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Post by rolandkovalenoks on Mar 21, 2011 23:07:57 GMT -5
I read Russian and spent lots of time reading up on the Russian arm wrestling forum where Alexy participates since about 2002 I think. Just like here there are lots of people asking Voevoda why he quit, is he coming back etc. According to him there are two major reasons of him not arm wrestling first; in order for him to do his JOB; Bobsledding he needs to make certain weight that he is having trouble making the way it is. Second he hurt his right elbow while at the Judo practice. According to him he needs a surgery if he wants to arm-wrestle again. Also I have to say he must be one of the most patient athletes out there; there are about 500 questions asked and he answered them all. He did say that in 2004 he won with reserve, at no point he felt he can loose.
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Post by Wilkerson Demelo on Mar 21, 2011 23:30:31 GMT -5
the last line is what i always tell people. ^^^^^^^^^^
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Post by Neil Pickup on Mar 22, 2011 3:29:51 GMT -5
The last line IS also true he did win without ever hitting Top Gear BUT there was A LOT of Team Strategy in play that day from the Eastern Europeans with not a single athlete pulling when they faced Alexey.
The Americans on the other hand they Hit with Venon as well as the Americans also hitting each other. A great deal more went down in Poland than meets the eye from reading an event report.
Fresh for Fresh and over Six is a different scenario and presents different tests.
The other MASSIVELY IMPORTANT element in talking about how good an athlete would or could get in reality is HOW FOCUSSED is THAT individual on Armwrestling !? in Alexeys case Armwrestling was his primary focus for a while then he had other aspirations which he has excelled at. If your not really focussed and dedicated you will not necessarily improved hence my comments about Alexeys level being peak in 2004 as it was his Primary focus.
Rustam has remained 100% focussed on the Sport and his dedication and single mindedness has NEVER WAIVERED. That is why he has been sooo consistent and able to make slight improvements at certain points during his career although I wouldn't say that his level is increasing expedentially at this point or since 2005 to be honest, he has experienced peaks and troughs like most athletes.
Cheers
Neil
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Post by dixonglory on Mar 22, 2011 3:39:55 GMT -5
The last line IS also true he did win without ever hitting Top Gear BUT there was A LOT of Team Strategy in play that day from the Eastern Europeans with not a single athlete pulling when they faced Alexey. The Americans on the other hand they Hit with Venon as well as the Americans also hitting each other. A great deal more went down in Poland than meets the eye from reading an event report. Cheers Neil again a new surprising observation... and this type of acting out on the table and cheating audience ....how it influence the game i wonder ?? |
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Post by dixonglory on Mar 22, 2011 3:45:12 GMT -5
and that is why i am always speaking against the present double elimination format ...
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 22, 2011 5:10:52 GMT -5
if Voevoda got defeated by a good shape of Travis in 2003 WAF but defeated a great shape of Travis only a year later then this shows his dedication.it does not make sense to question Voevoda's dedication as an athlete who has won World titles in 2 different sport discipline.our claim was "Voevoda would have gotten better and stronger" but of course only if he stayed in the sport.he just trained a few months to pull a very big version of M.Todd and he looked like as he never left the sport;
Rustam of today would crush Rustam of 2005 and that is why Rustam finally decided to participate Zloty overalls in 2009.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Mar 22, 2011 8:37:49 GMT -5
^^^That is still INSANE the power that man has or had. To be able to absorb those hits from M. Todd!!!! I can't even imagine how strong you would have to be.
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Post by Josh Dale on Mar 22, 2011 21:28:17 GMT -5
if Voevoda got defeated by a good shape of Travis in 2003 WAF but defeated a great shape of Travis only a year later then this shows his dedication.it does not make sense to question Voevoda's dedication as an athlete who has won World titles in 2 different sport discipline.our claim was "Voevoda would have gotten better and stronger" but of course only if he stayed in the sport.he just trained a few months to pull a very big version of M.Todd and he looked like as he never left the sport; Rustam of today would crush Rustam of 2005 and that is why Rustam finally decided to participate Zloty overalls in 2009. I've always thought that this Voevoda was more impressive than the 2004 version |
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Post by Neil Pickup on Mar 23, 2011 3:06:12 GMT -5
if Voevoda got defeated by a good shape of Travis in 2003 WAF but defeated a great shape of Travis only a year later then this shows his dedication.it does not make sense to question Voevoda's dedication as an athlete who has won World titles in 2 different sport discipline.our claim was "Voevoda would have gotten better and stronger" but of course only if he stayed in the sport.he just trained a few months to pull a very big version of M.Todd and he looked like as he never left the sport; Rustam of today would crush Rustam of 2005 and that is why Rustam finally decided to participate Zloty overalls in 2009. Hi Engin, with all due respect mate it is clearly perfectly reasonable to question Alexey's dedication and focus to the sport of Armwrestling, as he walked away from the sport in favor of another alternative. I am not saying that in a derogatory manner, simply factual. Alexey is an extremely talanted and dedicated athlete, no one is questioning that. The question (to which we obviously already have an answer) is how dedicated and focussed on Armwrestling was Alexey. Clearly his true focus was elsewhere as he left the sport of Armwrestling to pursue a professional career in Bobsleigh. Maybe he had fulfilled his aspirations in Armwrestling and needed other challenges, who knows, everything else is simply conjecture in truth. He had other aspirations in different areas, he therefore focussed on them and subsequently left the sport, FACT, END OF. As for Babyev of 2009 crushing Babyev of 2005 maybe yes 2009 was a exceptional year at Zloty for Rustam BUT again there were other considerations that day too. For example HERE'S ONE ! at around 15.30HRS I was putting together the list of athletes who would be participating in the Open and Rustam's name WASN'T ON IT  because apparently he hadn't decided 100% that he was going in the class (I actually asked him IF he was going to pull, he laughed and said MAYBE, MAYBE !) Rustam is smart, he was watching the event and how it played out, who was fresh who was tired. He is no fool, THATS WHY HE DECIDED (OFFICIALLY) AT AROUND 20.00HRS that he would pull in the overall and I could add his name to my list. On another point the Babyev of 2005 may actually have done better than you think Enigma, he was backstage in 2005 beating Heavyweights on the practice table with ease (for fun). Rustam has had the ability to Rape many much bigger men for many years, he just hasn't had the confidence, or the desire to do so, in 2009 the most significant difference was that he did. Regards Neil |
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Post by dixonglory on Mar 23, 2011 3:13:18 GMT -5
in face book ,Igor .M says Voevoda will not be for aw till 2014 ....  |
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 23, 2011 4:58:26 GMT -5
Hi Engin, with all due respect mate it is clearly perfectly reasonable to question Alexey's dedication and focus to the sport of Armwrestling, as he walked away from the sport in favor of another alternative. I am not saying that in a derogatory manner, simply factual. Alexey is an extremely talanted and dedicated athlete, no one is questioning that. The question (to which we obviously already have an answer) is how dedicated and focussed on Armwrestling was Alexey. Clearly his true focus was elsewhere as he left the sport of Armwrestling to pursue a professional career in Bobsleigh. Maybe he had fulfilled his aspirations in Armwrestling and needed other challenges, who knows, everything else is simply conjecture in truth. He had other aspirations in different areas, he therefore focussed on them and subsequently left the sport, FACT, END OF. hi Neil, i think you still miss my point.we are talking about "if" Alexy would have continued to be part of armwrestling.in that case he would be dedicatd to get better and stronger because his professionalism is second to none as his results in an olympic sport proves this.you can not become the best without paying the price and if you are able to do this in two different sports then it should be explaining something. with respect once again just to help you understand, IF Alexy would have stayed in armwrestling then he could have been better and stronger because he is professional enough to do what is necessary,probably more than any of us. and if he left the sport that was only because he is extraordinary human being who became the best in a more popular sport which gives him financial satisfaction unlike armwrestling. As for Babyev of 2009 crushing Babyev of 2005 maybe yes 2009 was a exceptional year at Zloty for Rustam BUT again there were other considerations that day too. For example HERE'S ONE ! at around 15.30HRS I was putting together the list of athletes who would be participating in the Open and Rustam's name WASN'T ON IT because apparently he hadn't decided 100% that he was going in the class (I actually asked him IF he was going to pull, he laughed and said MAYBE, MAYBE !) Rustam is smart, he was watching the event and how it played out, who was fresh who was tired. He is no fool, THATS WHY HE DECIDED (OFFICIALLY) AT AROUND 20.00HRS that he would pull in the overall and I could add his name to my list. Rustam did not participate Zloty overalls even when everyone crushed eachother in 2005 Zloty heavyweight (not at 15.30 and not at 20.00 ) but he participated in 2009 (where John was fresh & healthy after winning 95kg) and in 2010. On another point the Babyev of 2005 may actually have done better than you think Enigma, he was backstage in 2005 beating Heavyweights on the practice table with ease (for fun). Rustam has had the ability to Rape many much bigger men for many years, he just hasn't had the confidence, or the desire to do so, in 2009 the most significant difference was that he did. Regards Neil beating people at back stage? so he was not brave enough to pull overalls even though heavyweight class was full of battles and he waited people to have other wars in the overall and then beat them at the back stage and now you tell this to prove how good he was?! was that why he hardly beat Pascal at WAF 4 weeks later? |
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Post by enginterzi on Mar 23, 2011 5:06:48 GMT -5
if Voevoda got defeated by a good shape of Travis in 2003 WAF but defeated a great shape of Travis only a year later then this shows his dedication.it does not make sense to question Voevoda's dedication as an athlete who has won World titles in 2 different sport discipline.our claim was "Voevoda would have gotten better and stronger" but of course only if he stayed in the sport.he just trained a few months to pull a very big version of M.Todd and he looked like as he never left the sport; Rustam of today would crush Rustam of 2005 and that is why Rustam finally decided to participate Zloty overalls in 2009. I've always thought that this Voevoda was more impressive than the 2004 version if he left the sport for i guess 2 years and trained differentl for another sport and then impressed you even more than before with a few months training then this should be saying something about his potential. |
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Post by John Parton on Mar 23, 2011 17:00:54 GMT -5
Who is to say Alexey isn't still training for pulling secrectly. I've heard that it is kind of addicting somewhere |
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Post by rolandkovalenoks on Mar 23, 2011 22:38:55 GMT -5
I spoke to my armwrestling friend Janis at the worlds from Latvia about Alexy and since their bobsledding team trains right next door Alexy stops by for some weight training. He did say he have newer seen such power! Alexy grabbed the heaviest dumbbells at the gym 55kg 121lb and with ease start working out his biceps. BUT HE DID NOT ARMWRESTLE! They have table at the gym. I can see lots of guys saying; Yap he is on roids! According to what I red they are being doping tested six times a year (Olympic rules)
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Post by dixonglory on Mar 24, 2011 2:09:33 GMT -5
I spoke to my armwrestling friend Janis at the worlds from Latvia about Alexy and since their bobsledding team trains right next door Alexy stops by for some weight training. He did say he have newer seen such power! Alexy grabbed the heaviest dumbbells at the gym 55kg 121lb and with ease start working out his biceps. BUT HE DID NOT ARMWRESTLE! They have table at the gym. I can see lots of guys saying; Yap he is on roids! According to what I red they are being doping tested six times a year (Olympic rules) warming up with 55kg for biceps curl...is ....unbelievable .....!!! |
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because apparently he hadn't decided 100% that he was going in the class (I actually asked him IF he was going to pull, he laughed and said MAYBE, MAYBE !) Rustam is smart, he was watching the event and how it played out, who was fresh who was tired. He is no fool, THATS WHY HE DECIDED (OFFICIALLY) AT AROUND 20.00HRS that he would pull in the overall and I could add his name to my list. 
